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We Will Both Find Out, Just not Together - submitted by @thetwistedwhiskersshow

Hey, so I'm pretty sure everyone and their mom has seen takes on Hades 2 rn bc of what one of the VAs said. This is causing a lot more harm then good rn and, while I don't claim to be an expert on unions, but even just basic research shows Supergiant is largely innocent and this is a misunderstanding.

Supergiant stated they will not be recasting and also they don't fall under the companies that can not be working or supported during the SAG- AFTRA strike.

Being an indie development company, they do not fall under the issues SAG is striking and possibly can not even sign said agreement because they are an indie company (i'd have to fact-check that). This strike is supposed to affect larger companies like EA, Sony, X-Box, etc who are pushing for AI. Below is a statement from Supergiant about the statement made by the VA.

When similar strikes happened for both SAG and the WGA, other smaller companies did not have to halt production because their work did not meet the guidelines that the strike fell under. Spindel Horse and GLITCH are both indie animation companies that did not have to halt production.

One other example is Dropout.TV where they did not need to stop under SAG rules and guidelines, they did so out of respect. While Supergiant could, they don't have too and why would they? Fans have been waiting for almost three years now and they are polishing at a record speed.

Secondly is the term "Scab" being thrown around when it comes to who Supergiant hires, which largely comes from people not knowing what a true scab is.

A Scab ISN'T any person working in a given position when a strike is happening. It's a member of SAID UNION who crosses the picket line or does work for lower pay then the Union states.

Unions have several levels of entry that not all people meet. Being under smaller workers unions for starters along with proof of employment and others.

Supergiant, being smaller and indie makes it so it can hire people who aren't SAG members and help promote them to be bigger names in the industry along with eventually becoming possible members of the unions.

For example, Michael Kovach (famous VA for Jax from TADC, Several characters from Poppy Playtime, One character in Billie Bust Up (IDK), and most famously the original pilot VA for Angeldust from Hazbin Hotel) is not a member of SAG but supports the union and has been in multiple roles since the SAG strikes began.

While I have not done research into who exactly is being called a "Scab" in terms of the Supergiant controversy, please keep yourself educated about the term because it is super derogatory and may cause these people to never be able to join the unions. Being labeled a "scab", even incorrectly, makes it nearly impossible for people to join unions.

A lot of the "If you don't join a union then your against unions" mentality I've seen from people creates a harmful, uneducated stereotype that large corporations want. They want normal consumers to see Union Supporters as aggressive and hopping down your throat to deny you money. This villainizes unions in the long run.

Overall, Supergiant is not doing anything wrong and the mob mentality jump on them comes from a lack of educated perspectives (esp since a large portion of this community is the younger demographic with not much union knowlege).

This just in, Mel learns about pronouns and deco !

We really need to make noise here because this mistreatment will continue if we don't.

The text if the link doesn’t work:

“Voice talent has been integral to each of our games. Recently, questions arose here about how we work with our voice talent, which we want to address.

Actors breathe life and humanity into everything we do, and over time, we've gone from working with a small number from our team to dozens of individuals around the world. We offer the strongest AI protections in the industry to our talent, as we think their work is irreplaceable.

Our games are intentionally made by human beings; no generative AI is being used in the creation of the voiceover, artwork, or any other content that goes into them.

We have not re-cast any of our characters in Hades II, and wish to keep working with each and every member of our wonderful cast.

I've gotta clarify some things:

1. The anti-AI clauses are only a small part of the overall union contracts. I made a mistake by only mentioning the AI stuff, and it's because I saw Miller's bsky post mention AI specifically being a current issue. I highly encourage everyone to check out the sag-aftra demands online, easily accessible with a search on google.

2. I'm aware some of the VA team is non-union, such as Korb. This is an issue. The refusal to join the union is harming other, union, VAs. Anyone who does work without being in the union, is a scab and is crossing the picket line. This hurts everybody, even themselves, even if they don't think it does. Everybody needs to be in the union.

3. This post from SG is a big ol' nothingburger. We need to be asking WHY they're not signing it. We need to be asking WHY they're so unwilling. And just what are the "variety of reasons" that they won't sign union contracts for? And WHY won't they tell us?

4. It's good that SG has responded publicly to this. It means they're listening to us. And we need to keep pressuring them. This is only the beginning and if we don't keep pressuring, nothing will change.

5. This is not only a SG issue. This is happening with other companies as well, and we need to put pressure on all of them. I made this post about SG because they released the new Hades update, and I saw a bunch of VA and VA-adjacent users on social media talking about it. I have a decently-large following on here and thought more people needed to be aware of what's happening in the industry.

6. Here's some of the responses on bsky. Done my best to censor names, don't harass people on there or else you're getting The Horrors inflicted upon you.