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I didn't post anything for a real long time and still have no idea what am I even doing but I'm back with my OBKK obsession and I can't get enough of them. So I thought this list of questions might help me a little to give my thoughts on them a little structure?

OBKK QUESTIONNAIRE

Q: 💛What is it about obkk that makes the pairing special to you?

A: At first it was just a silly thought in my 13 yo head. I saw NaruSasu that I shipped then looked at Kakashi and decided that he should also have a relationship like that. I didn't like KakaIru for some reason, despite the fact that it was insanely popular in my country's Naruto fandom. It just felt... wrong to me. I just couldn't ship Kakashi with Iruka, sue me.

Then I learned about Obito and started seeing potential in them. I was in a very dark place when I first watched Naruto and I think that ship saved me. When I finally watched 4gnw arc it all finally clicked in my head, I was really devastated to find out that ficbook had almost 0 fics about them at that time. I truly believe that Kishimoto wrote 3 greatest BLs and didn't even realized what he just created.

Q: 🐾What themes/issues do you like to explore through this pairing?

A: I love how doomed OBKK is in canon. I think that was my first ever doomed ship, let alone first doomed yaoi.

I love that Kakashi is endlessly loyal to Obito, even if he was his friend for 30 mins before his "death". He made himself a walking memorial for Obito's will. I know that it's unhealthy but it's interesting for me who never really experienced grief to think about how would I react to death of someone who could potentially become my friend and just... died like that.

I adore that Obito never even tried to take his eye back despite being manipulated by Madara and that asshole Black Zetsu. I still remember how much I wanted to slap Madara for stealing Kakashi's left eye. Even when I'm writing this it make my blood boil, that's how much I hate that moment.

Q: 🧸Do you relate to Obito or Kakashi? Who is your POV character?

A: ... Tsunade. Uhm, sorry, she was the first char that had hemophobia and I just had to make dinner with a peace of meat that had to much blood... My own hemophobia didn't appreciate that.

But in all seriousness, kinda both? And neither at the same time? Or combine them together to get something in between?

I understand young Kakashi a lot because of my own daddy issues. I understand young Obito a lot because I don't feel like I ever fitted in with my family. I understand them both because emotions, when you don't understand them, feels like a rollercoaster you never signed up for.

Adult versions of them are harder for me to relate to because, as I said, I never really lost anyone special enough for it to shape me the way it happened with Kakashi and Obito. I can't really relate to them but they are interesting studying case for me.

Q:💡What fandom inventions/headcanons about Obito and Kakashi do you enjoy?

A: 1. Sharingan marriage. I can't find words on how much I adore that idea. Whoever came up with that headcanon, thank you for giving me more fuel for my sleepless nights of thinking about these two idiots.

2. Everything from Kamui Blues on AO3. That fic practically shaped my view on this ship. I love how much their shared eye bounded them together.

3. Post-war Obito pretending for Kakashi. I don't remember who is the author of that headcanon but I really love that idea that I just saw on Tumblr. After war Obito is trying to please Kakashi by pretending to be what he wants out of him. Because it makes a lot of sense since, you know, Obito lost himself long time ago and only knows how to pretend to be someone else.

Q: 🍂Are there popular obkk fanons that you do NOT resonate with? (pls be respectful here; don't attack anybody for their preferences🙏)

A: Hard for me to tell. For last 7 years I was all alone about my OBKK obsession. My English wasn't good enough to communicate with other people in fandom and, as I mentioned before, this was very much minor ship in my country's fandom. All fanons I've seen so far were either interesting enough for me to adopt them or didn't bother me enough to remember them.

Q: 🥨What do you think about the take "your otp = a character you project on + your type"?

A: I believe that is true. But not that case, at least for me. As I said before, I don't really project on any of them and neither of them are my type. I love them both very dearly but... I don't think of them as husband material, if you know what I mean.

Q: 🌿Does obkk as a fictional pairing help you in any way? (serves as a distraction/supports mentally/gives inspiration etc.)

A: Of course. It is both my copium and a way of reminding me that my life isn't that bad. I come back to them every time I think that it can't get any worse then I look at Kakashi who continued to live after Obito died for him twice and was Hokage despite never wanting to be one. I come back to them whenever I feel like doing so.

Q: 🛏️Does the top/bottom factor matter to you?

A: Yes? I see Obito only as top pre-war because of Madara's influence. In my post-war AU where Obito survived, they are constantly fighting for being bottom.

Q: 🌍What AUs do you gravitate to when it comes to obkk and why?

A: Post-war AUs or any kind of fix-its (time travel, good!Obito etc). I have enough doomed yaoi with canon versions of them, I need something to heal my heart. Also, I was mad about the fact that Obito didn't survive, in my opinion he should've stayed alive and fix the mess he made by Kakashi's side.

Q: 📸If Obito and Kakashi's dynamic was summed up by one picture (screenshot, photo, meme, etc.), what would it be?

A: I don't have anything fitting on my phone, sorry 🥲 but if I had it would be a black cat stalking white dog)

Q: 🎼What is your obkk song?

A: It depends, really.

Kid!OBKK? "Loathing" from Wicked the musical.

Dying kid!Obito? "Only love can hurt like this" by Paloma Faith.

Canon teen!OBKK? "Unhealthy obsession" by the Blake Robinson Synthetic Orchestra or "Every breath you take" by The Police from Obito POV and "Summertime sadness" by Lana Del Rey, "Sex with a ghost" by Teddy Hyde or "Francis Forever" by Mitski from Kakashi POV.

Akatsuki AU? "Your idol" from K-Pop demon hunters.

Pre-war? "I know those eyes/This man is dead" from Count of Monte Cristo musical.

War arc? "I hate everything about you" and "Fallen angel" by Three day grace, "Born to die" by Lana Del Rey, "Everybody's fool" by Evanescence and many, many more songs.

Canon OBKK in general? "The one that got away" by Katy Perry. That song gets attached to practically every doomed ship that I find myself obsessed with.

Kamui Blues AU? "Would you fall in love with me again?" from EPIC: the musical.

My post-war AU? "Sweater weather" by Neighborhood or "The other side of paradise" by Glass Animals.

Q: 🪁Fill in the gap: OT3 Obito + Kakashi +___?

I remember reading a fic a long time ago, probably in 2017. It was short Obikaka with "n+1 times" plot structure. It was something like "N times Obito asked Kakashi to marry him and 1 time Kakashi asked Obito".

As I remember, Rin was dead in that fic but Obito returned to Konoha but there was something about Black Zetsu stalking him. Uchiha massacre didn't happened yet and they tried to arrange a marriage for Obito with other Uchiha which he tried to avoid by marriage with Kakashi. Kakashi refused him multiple times until Obito just gave up and agreed with Uchiha's demands.

After some events that I don't remember Kakashi finally realized that he wants to be with Obito. I don't remember why he agreed but I remember that there was part 2 where they adopted Sasuke after the massacre.

As you could probably see in my previous post, I can't draw humans for saving my life. I grew up in a Warrior cats fandom so drawing humans feels like torture to me. So I'm making my life easier and drawing my two favorite idiots as kitty cats.

Here's a silly little sketch I made within an hour, are they recognizable to you?

He isn't included here but I imagine Naruto on the background in Hokage's hat, because Kakashi allowed him to wear it.

Well, here comes nothing: today I will be talking about my fan kids of my favorite Naruto ship, Obikaka. This AU was boiling in my mind for almost a decade ever since I watched Naruto. And now it's finally time to let people judge how good I am at story writing. I will update this post later with designs of their kids because my drawing tablet decided to malfunction again and I have to figure out what is happening with it this time before I can draw anything. I'm really sorry🥲

Also, warning!

I'm talking about pregnancy and, technically, reproductive violence here, not in many details but still if that's triggering themes for you, read with caution.

First thing first, I was struggling with how they will get their children. Because there is two ways of how to do it without turning everything into omegaverse (which I didn't want to happen, I'm trying to keep it as close to canon as I can). So, here's two paths that I could go:

1. Naruto's Sexy Jutsu being useful as an actual Genderswap.

I'm not entirely sure who first came up with that idea but I saw it in multiple fics in my native language a long time ago so I guess it's something that fanon agreed upon. That Naruto's henge isn't actually just a henge but an actual medically accurate jutsu of changing biological sex.

2. Orochimaru's experiments.

I might not be interested in Boruto but I am aware about some things in it (I watched the first few arcs up until Sarada's gaiden ongoing when it first came out). I know that Orochimaru made himself (themself?) multiple sons, aka Mitsuki and his older copies.

So the question was what am I going to use as a canon for this AU? And, ultimately, I decided to use both. But in different ways: chars that are alive and thriving are using Sexy Jutsu for having kids and chars that are not alive will get kids through our snake mad scientist's experiments. I don't want Orochimaru to be softened like Boruto did, I want him to do what Segyeins did in Alien Stage: mix gens of deceased people in weird combos against their wishes. They are evil and messed up individual and I want it stay that way.

But let me get back on track before I get too distracted.

How did it happen that Obito and Kakashi got themselves a bunch of kids?

I imagine it being two years since Kakashi was appointed Sixth Hokage. Naruto and Sasuke accidentally found out that Sexy Jutsu wasn't just funny thing to mess with in bed when Sasuke got stuck as a girl for nine months (yes, you read it right, Naruto taught Sasuke how to use that jutsu and impregnated him on accident, oops... Well, he wanted to restore his clan so good for him, I guess?).

Now that the village knows that this jutsu is useful, elders kept demanding that Kakashi should have a kid with his partner because he no longer has excuse of not being able to have children because they are both male. To make sure that bloodlines of both Uchiha and Hatake won't disappear.

Their constant nagging pissed Obito, who at that moment was Kakashi's blind househusband under house arrest, off so much that he just decided to just agree to do it so they just fuck off and leave him and Kakashi alone. It's not like he has anything else to do at that point. Kakashi wasn't really sold on this idea until Obito said that he wants it. He didn't lie exactly but it wasn't fully thought through choice.

His seal was temporarily removed to let him use his chakra for that jutsu and he spent some time practicing before finally getting what elders of Konoha wanted.

It was on third anniversary of Kakashi becoming Hokage. Obito thought that was funny. That's how they got their first kid, Sakumo. Yes, Sakumo. Obito named their firstborn son that way because he is sentimental. Kakashi's dad was a turning point for their relationship, learning about him made Obito look at his arrogant teammate in different light and truly started their love story (even if they didn't realize that until much later).

Sakumo Hatake-Uchiha turned out to be exact copy of Kakashi as a pure coincidence. He got heterochromia, so even his only sharingan happened to be in the same eye that Kakashi used to have it. He is a genius but a bit more open-minded and level-headed than his dad used to be as kid. Sakumo inherited not only sharingan but also Obito's healing factor. His injuries heal much faster than any other shinobis except for Obito himself and jinchuurikis. He grew up to be ANBU agent later on.

Pregnancy was both an easy walk and an absolute disaster for Obito. He is a disabled person: half of his body is a plant and he is forced to be blind most of the time (the seal that blocks his eyesight and the one that takes his chakra are two separate things). Because of Hashirama cells he doesn't really feel some physical downsides of pregnancy, like nausea or certain pains like swelling. The mental damage, however, was horrible. He was already unstable as he was, add to it his Uchiha heritage with their hypersensitivity and hormones and you will get two miserable people living under the same roof.

And you know what? Obito decided that he wants to go through all that for a second time two years later. He is bored out of his mind, okay? He don't know what to do with himself and by doing that he wants to keep his body busy with something. I told you before that he is going through major crisis? That was the crisis I talked about in part 2 that made Kakashi finally notice that Obito is not okay. So, another almost ten months later after Sakumo turned three, his younger sister Haruka was born.

She is all Obito's younger self but in female body. Haruka is loud, hotheaded, a bit clumsy but ultimately kind and altruistic girl. She will become ninja medic and Sakura's student at some point in time. Unfortunately, she will not be able to use her sharingan almost at all. Her chakra reserves are very limited and sharingan eats them faster than it should. No one really knows why that happens but she has to wear glasses with special lenses.

Three more years pass and Naruto becomes Seventh Hokage, hooray! Now Kakashi can finally be free from the job he never wanted and spend time with his family... But you hear that? Obito and Kakashi are having a third kid but this time it was Kakashi who was thrown under the pregnancy bus. He didn't like it.

Unlike Obito, who got it relatively easy, at least physically, Kakashi was in misery. He was almost 40 by that moment and he doesn't have luxury of Hashirama cells taking away most of pregnancy downsides. Add Hatake's sensitive nose and craving for sweets, which he doesn't normally like, to the roster of all mental and physical problems that pregnancy is. Obito by that time was finally healing properly after everything he went through, he is finally learning to be himself again and building his own identity. He helps Kakashi as much as he can but still he teases him a lot, lightheartedly.

And that was the way they got their youngest child, Kaigaku. He is a perfect fusion of both his parents. He is smart, loyal, level-headed but kind, still a bit of a tsundere like kid!Kakashi used to be, especially around his rival (khem, crush, khem). He got sharingan, big amounts of chakra and, somehow, he inherited Obito's mokuton. No knows how that happened but it somehow did.

I will make a part 3 of my Post-war OBKK AU later because I need to update my old char design with the new stuff in mind (I made them 5 years ago and I need to make some minor changes in what became outdated). Maybe, I'll be done with them tomorrow, hopefully...

Anyway, here is my headcanon about Uchihas we all know and love:

They are all f-ing bottoms that pretend to be tops.

Hear me out, please. We know that Uchihas are all insanely prideful, like, arrogantly so. They all acting like alphas from omegaverse but in reality they are just hiding their real extremely sensitive selves underneath all that facade of untouchability (does that word even exist in English?).

I came to that conclusion while thinking about NaruSasu. Because you will never convince me that Sasuke will ever be top in their relationship. Starting from sun and moon symbolism and yin-yang theme that goes toe-to-to with NaruSasu and ending with how Sasuke looks at Naruto at that scene:

He gave in to Naruto's worldview and accepted that he lost.

I'm not even talking about the way Madara acted during war arc. He straight up turns into Hashirama's "jealous wife" when he ignores him on the battlefield.

So here is something I came up with to explain myself why: Uchiha will always be a bottom but only in a relationship with the one person they trust completely, the one that can challenge them or even surpass them. It's either you are worth being bottom for or not worthy of anything at all. No other choice.

All rules have exceptions and to me those exceptions are Shisui and Obito. They are more of switches than anything else.

As I mentioned in my previous posts, Obito in my opinion, as a black sheep among Uchihas, doesn't mind being top to please Kakashi. To me this ship feels more equaled than other one that involves Uchiha.

In part 1, I was mostly talking about Obito, because... well, he is dead in canon, there are more blind spots to fill in with him. Kakashi, on the other hand, is very much alive by the end of Shippuden (I don't care what happens in Boruto in the slightest, I'm just as delulu as Obito and pretend that this whole series is just someone's fever dream in Infinite Tsukuyomi) and he doesn't really have all that much room for speculations. However, I still have a few things to say about him.

Kakashi has no freaking idea what he is doing. Let me explain: Obito is very much mentally unstable, even after Naruto-therapy or, as people call it in English, Talk-no-Jutsu. He is extremely traumatized, has very much no identity of his own and still is responsible for many crimes against shinobi world. Obito now has no social skills beyond manipulation tactics and adaptation to his environment, he is unsolicited. And on top of that he now has to deal with yet another disability, aka forced blindness via eye sealing.

And Kakashi himself has enough mental problems baggage to deal with Obito's mess of a mind. He still feels responsible for his teammate's downfall because it's Kakashi we're talking about. Add all his responsibilities as newly appointed Sixth Hokage and all that baggage of post-war political shenanigans and you will get a disaster waiting to happen.

I hate miscommunication as a trope in fiction but OBKK can't function without at least some of it in a certain period of time. They both have deeply rooted issues and they both need time to figure out how to live with them and with each other.

Maybe, I would've had more to say but I slept only 4,5 hours last night 🥲

UPD. I woke up and now I can continue what I didn't finish with this.

Kakashi is too overworked to notice that Obito is not healing and just adapting to what Kakashi wants to see in him. He is too busy fighting for Obito with other villages and Konoha's elders to realize that person who he is fighting for is sinking deeper into guilt and avoidance of his identity crisis that eats him alive. Kakashi doesn't realize that until it was almost too late.

Kakashi is trying but he is tired. Constantly. And it took him a major crisis to finally notice that Obito was just pretending to be normal again. He only pleased Kakashi because Kakashi is the only thing that keeps Obito alive. Obito doesn't know who he is but he wants Kakashi to be happy.

After that they both realize that they can't go back to what have been before: Obito will never be that innocent kid who was late because he wanted to help people and who gave Kakashi his left eye. But they can try to build something new with what they have now.

I love how 90% of OBKK fandom just agreed that alive Post-war!Obito is Kakashi's ex terrorist war-criminal househusband under house arrest. Not that I complain, though. Quite the opposite, I love that idea.

I also like to think that Obito is extremely upset about Naruto healing Kakashi's left eye. And even more upset about Madara ripping his Sharingan out of Kakashi's socket. Because that was his gift to him, the one that he never wanted back but now that Kakashi has his eye back he can't return things back to normal. It was something that connected them even in the darkest times, it was a piece of that innocent Obito that his adult self wanted to anchor himself to. You know, because he lost his own identity thanks to Madara and Black Zetsu?

I like to imagine that Obito had to be blind for the rest of his life because his eyes were sealed as a part of his punishment. He could take the seal away only in cases of danger for Kakashi (which isn't a lot, considering that he can protect himself perfectly fine) or a crisis that might be resolved with power of Kamui. By the way, Kakashi lets him walk around the house without a seal sneakily. Not that anyone needs to know.

And Obito grows out his hair a bit. No particular reason for that, I just like the way his hair looks in the scene where Rin died:

Not Madara's length (that would bring bad memories back) but I believe that Uchihas really look better with slightly longer hair than average shinobi would like. His hair stays white, though. You can't just become Juubito and reverse hair color back to black after that.

As I said in previous posts, I like to think that Obito and Kakashi are constantly fighting for being bottom in their relationship. Kakashi doesn't have any specific reason for that, he just enjoys that.

Obito, however, needs to be bottom to remind himself that he doesn't need to be in control, that someone else can be trusted to be above him. Pre-war he was always top in his one night stands where he was very rough with his partners (not that there were many of them, he didn't have motivation for being with someone) because of Madara's influence. He was impersonating Madara and Madara wasn't bottom to anyone (yeah, right, no Uchiha is top in my mind but shinobi world isn't ready to accept that). Post-war he wants to be vulnerable with someone, and that someone is Kakashi.

⛔Spolers for Naruto and Heaven Official's Blessing, I guess.⛔

I know that I'm not the first to point out those parallels but hear me out.

1. Kakashi and Xie Lian.

They both are considered prodigies.

Both were arrogant (in some way) and had to learn humility, both learned it in a very hard way.

They both lost their parent(s) because of a tragedy they had no control over and both their parent(s) chose the same way of dying – suicide.

Both had all rights to crash out and bring suffering for the world that wronged them (Xie Lian almost did that) but ultimately decided that it's not worth it.

Both had to lose their loved ones twice.

2. Obito and Hua Cheng.

Both were outcasts of their society.

Both got attached to the first person who was nice to them.

Both had to participate in a war at a similar age (13 for Obito and 14 for Hua Cheng if I remember correctly).

Both died. In Obito's case not really but still his injuries were so bad that even Madara didn't know how the heck he survived that. That was before he got his Mangekyou (I hope I spelled that correctly 🥲) with Kamui's intangibility.

Both had alias with a mask at some point. Obito had Madara, Tobi and Nobody and Hua Cheng was Wu Ming, which means No Name. Parallels are everywhere.

Both are ghosts in some way. And a little bit stalkers. Maybe, not a little bit. Obito was straight up stalking Kakashi and Hua Cheng had a cave. If you know, you know.

Speaking about caves. They are both connected with caves but in a different way. Obito spent god-knows-how-many-time in that cave with Madara and, as I mentioned before, Hua Cheng has a cave.

Both shared their powers with Kakashi and Xie Lian... They just have different methods of doing so. Obito dies to do that and Hua Cheng chooses to do that through kiss. Priorities.

Both died for someone. HuaLian got it lucky because Hua Cheng can go back when he restores his energy. Kakashi isn't that lucky, Obito turned into dust before his eyes then came back as a spirit to share his power with Kakashi ffor the last time and left.

3. Bonus: Madara and White No-face.

I had a very weird dream tonight and it made my mind going in strange directions. Kokichi was a part of Gaang for some reason (probably because I circled back again in ATLA and DRV3 fandoms again?) and had a beef with Katara.

Personally, I do think that Katara and Kokichi wouldn't like each other. Kokichi is a liar and likes to mess with people but he doesn't really like hypocrites. And Katara is a big hypocrite, her morals are very double standarded.

Katara, on the other hand, would absolutely hate his guts because of his constant lying and pranks. Plus, I like to imagine that Kokichi is a firebender (I'll explain later why) so that is an additional reason to dislike him on her behalf. And Azula flashbacks. You know, a manipulative liar with firebending skills? That is a very reasonable reason to not like Kokichi.

So I imagine their relationship as one Katara has with Toph but worse. Also, I think Kokichi and Toph would get along pretty well. Sure, she is a walking lie detector but she is also a walking menace just like Kokichi, I think he would like that.

Why Kokichi is a firebender? Well, I personally don't see him as water or earth so that's out of the picture. He has too much personality to be a non-bender (sorry, Sokka and Suki but Kokichi is too flashy to be one of you). Why not air? Because Aang is the last one but I like to imagine Kokichi as a descendant of surviving air nomads that hid in fire nation. You know how Ty Lee is believed to be one as well? Kokichi is pretty fitting to be an air nomad, he is very mischievous and against killing unless it's very necessary (Miu's trial).