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We have the Batman Who Laughs, but could you imagine if there was the reverse? Like the Joker Who Cant Smile or something. Like instead of batman killing joker and essentially "becoming" him, batman dies and joker "becomes" him. Idk how that would happen i just think that the idea would be cool.
And yes this was inspired by onebadnoodle's drawing
This is such a COOL IDEA, you're right!! That art is amazing, oh my god. I didn't know of it. The Joker Who Can't Laugh. The Unsmiling Joker. Freaking galaxy-brained take right here and I need this in my life very badly.
How would he end up like that though... Hm. Funny thing is, Joker has a canonical tendency to take on different identities, other than Joker, when he thinks Batman is dead. So this falls within a conceivable realm, I just feel it'd take some very specific circumstances for how Bruce dies. If he died on accident or someone else killed him, Joker would more likely hunt them down, destroy everything, kill himself -- he wouldn't change himself. Batman Who Laughs as a concept is a Bruce whose brain has been rewritten to work like Joker's. It's not a combination of them, it's a Batman who agrees with Joker's methods. But what would a Joker who agrees with Batman's methods look like?
Ironically, something like Red Hood, maybe? He'd kill, but with a twisted version of Bruce's code. And if Bruce becomes Batman Who Laughs via him killing Joker, which symbolizes him breaking his one rule irrevocably and going dark -- the opposite for Joker wouldn't be killing Batman, I feel. Or rather, it wouldn’t be that on purpose. If Batman is tempted by the darkness (Joker's "Kill me and become like me"), Joker should be tempted by the light (Bruce's "I can help you"). It's what Snyder and then King have alluded to in other comics: the fact Joker wants to be stopped, that deep down he wishes Bruce would prove him right, that the world does make sense and that there is hope. So, my first instinct for a Joker Who Can't Laugh's backstory is a world in which Bruce managed to help him. Maybe a form of rehabilitation; maybe a trigger made Joker face his past and gain back some of his empathy; but all of it would have Bruce at the center, he'd be the one helping. And within this kind of context, if Joker had a relapse and acted out in some way, killing Bruce by mistake -- that might get him to become a Joker Who Can't Laugh. He'd hate himself (or his Joker identity) enough to change it, and incorporate parts of Batman in it (because with Bruce dead, this is the closest thing he's got left of him). I can entirely see Bruce dying in his arms dramatically and making him swear not to kill himself, but to keep trying to be better in his absence, help himself, help people. And then Joker taking on another identity that's not villainous, but it's certainly not a good guy, either.
Ended up thinking out loud on this one, but yeah!! Loving this concept, thank you for sending this to me! <3
so if there’s a batman who laughs is there a joker who never smiles?
I reblogged a post discussing what seems to be an old comment by Frank Miller on Batjokes
Source of this in the original post.
And since I don't see discussion on this expression, I want to share my piece as said in the reblog and see what everyone has to say about it and the original comment:
Wait, What do people genuinely think of this comment? I genuinely ask because I personally like it a lot.
The Joker can be seen as a caricature of the homophobe's view on queer people and Batman as a very very closeted side. Like Joker is the embodiment of what Batman fears he might become if he stops repressing himself, which is an obvious lie, just a delusion.
The phrase of Batjokes being a "homophobic nightmare" has not left my mind ever since I encountered it and I need to know what everyone else thinks of it.
Shoutout @yaybatman for giving me the idea to make a tagged post.
Genuinely insane *
Wait, What do people genuinely think of this comment? I genuinely ask because I personally like it a lot.
The Joker can be seen as a caricature of the homophobe's view on queer people and Batman as a very very closeted side. Like Joker is the embodiment of what Batman fears he might become if he stops repressing himself, which is an obvious lie, just a delusion.
Ig the most obvious point against it that, yeah, it's homophobic. I'd like to be enlightened on the fandom's opinion.

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Things I learned from Detective Comics #180: - Batman will just haul the Joker out of fucking Arkham and play-fight with him in the yard for fun - Joker teams up with the other rogues for the laughs because literally nothing ever good comes from that - Batman will do incredible things like take the Joker's chains off so they can fight fair. For fun. Not homosexually, I'm sure lol - The pounce-and-hairgrip is ... wow - The pin-with-gym equipment under the chin is ... wow
More things learned: - In this comic, Batman considers what THEY do and 'civilians' to be two entirely separate categories, which is FASCINATING to me. He does not think regular people should be "brought" into "their" world, the world of Batman and his villains/rogues - Batman has jokes. He jokes with the Joker. The Joker likes it when he does that, we know, but yeah lol - Batman only gets truly rough when Joker has a shank. Improvised weapons are fine but not a knife! He's playing tillJoker ups the ante and Batman 100% responds in kind. He is NOT ever looking to de-escalate with this clown, which I also find really interesting Anyway read Detective Comics #177 - #180...somethingish. It's a really fun arc, very classic Batman. The art leaves a lot to be desired IMO, I'd love to see this re-styled because the story deserves it!
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It wasn't My NSFW account.
It wasn't the bare chested Anat.
It was a Stobotnik related joke.
Anyways, What do I do?
Edit: Deleted the post, continuing as usual pff.
Okay so we have GOT to talk about Joker: Year of the Villain because John Carpenter gets it. Basic premise is this: Joker sees a cute blond henchman, henchman is sort of a mixed up probs bisexual puppy but seems kinda into J-man, enough to let him drag him around the city causing total mayhem because Joker is "the only thing that makes sense to him". We get this line:
Condiment king shows up, Joker doesn't kill him but then this happens (excuse me, that is uhm...very close??)
J knows a cutie when he sees one. DIRECTLY after this, the costume purchase occurs:
The kink is about to begin!
Joker buys them both Batman and Robin costumes and uhm. Well. Six tells him like, kind of his life story earlier in the comic. Six is realizing that J is probably truly crazy when he kidnaps his mom! AND THEN WE GET THIS, FRIENDS:
HELLO??? EXCUSE ME???????? John Carpenter 100000% going for that kinky batjokes shit, everyone say thank you John Carpenter! Anyway J doesn't like that hesitation! The boy doesn't keep throttling him, which is a mistake (should have kept at it, Six!) - J clearly has sort of a thing for him, referring to their whirlwind partnership as "a fling" - so he gets the ole Jason Todd treatment (but lives):
My guy literally said "hey if you're mad enough become Batman and fucking ring me up okay cute stuff" Like my guy spends the earlier parts of this comic being like "I can't fucking get Batman's attention. What the hell! HEY this henchmen is pretty cute though..."
Crazy about the Baal Cycle showing El being a decent and kinda loving person to his wife Athirat. I hope they're this nice and reciprocal in the rest of the Ugaritic tablets.
Yatpan POV when Anat drops him from the sky to kill Aqhat (text below)

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sorry for being inactive but rest assured im back on my rogue academic bullshit by printing out a phone scanned version of Neal H. Walls' "The Goddess Anat in Ugaritic Myth" (1991) in the library. the guys at my local UPS who do the binding for these must fucking hate me. i will not stop though.
(note: i havent read as thoroughy as id like but ohhh my god so far i really love Walls' analysis of Anat as a representation of women [and to an extent other minority/subaltern genders] in rejecting femininity as a form of rebellion and anger at androcentric societies. like that fucking rules)
further thinking about how Walls isn't shy about talking about Anat's gender/lack thereof. She exists completely outside of the genders we see on display both in devotional texts/hymns and any kind of historical record, and Walls' bringing up how this connects to her status as "betulat" (virgin) and "ybmmt lmm" (sister in law of the peoples), because her rejection of femininity in a lot of ways keeps her from taking on the role of marriagable woman, keeping her as "betulat" and in the social group of rebellious, gender nonconforming "adolescents". Walls also brings up an interesting point about how this could connect to Anat's violence and passion and trophy-taking + the Aqhat epic as seeking to metaphorically and physically castrate men either to reinforce her genderlessness/third gender (???) or lash out against androcentrism (as Walls put it. I'm not sure if i want to label Ugaritic society as misogynistic even if Aqhat clearly is as a character, we just don't know if he's a stand in for a type of person who actively looks down on Anat for being a woman/perceived as a woman / women in any kind of nonconformity or if hes just stupid and an example of hubris). Walls also references a translation of the Aqhat epic that describes Aqhat's death in a.... uniquely grotesque way, which is saying a bit compared to Anat's slaying of Mot and her fighting in the valley in the UBC. imma try and find it. its a really good book.
like i HAVE to get my hands on this. its horrifying and nauseating in its simplicity and allusion to the butchering and processing of animal parts, but also fits with how Aqhat's remains are found and verified by his father from within the stomach of an eagle/vulture. that fucking RULES.
also this
again im not buying the "adolescent" as literal, but Anat again occupying the liminal space between child and woman, and Baal being a young man from outside the family/taken as a son of El and seeking to ascend to "manhood" by becoming king of the gods. sort of like my working idea of El/the king of the gods being the "father" of all gods regardless of if hes actually their sire, as a status within the "family" structure of the pantheon, where every other god is a child in comparison. i guess. but still absolutely fascinating i love this shit. my goat
THE CANAAN MASTERDOC/POST IS HERE!
Welcome one and all, and thank you for your patience and feedback! 17 sources and counting, mostly articles but some books -- I've also tried my best to find open access materials but inevitably some things will be restricted, unfortunately. This is formatted more like a bibliography (organized by subject) or directory to orient people towards Canaan and adjacent resources. This is my special interest and it's my greatest joy to share this with people! Please let me know any feedback you have! Anyone with the LINK should be able to access it.
UPDATED AS OF 4/22/2026
NOTES: Added a Language section aimed at making Ugaritic language and cuneiform more accessible and understandable, as well as making the connections between all ancient and modern semitic languages clearer (I have gained a lot of understanding of texts by consulting Arabic speakers and I think the etymology of semitic words cannot be understated in this context. I also personally feel that this adds credence to Arabic being a West/Northern semitic product that did not originate so far south as usually attributed, but this is an aside). Will be updating over time.
Unofficial note: Fuck Brill, fuck all publishing houses, they are all demonspawn of the capitalist-academic class trying to suck every last red cent out of us by holding knowledge hostage.
Anat the Canaanite goddess of sexual love, war, and hunting. Progenitress of heroes, lady of Palestine.
Info on each sketch below:
every so often i see notifs of my first ever Anat piece reblogged (nice!!!) and i Must put an addendum here: ive since improved my research and scholarship in the 2 years since making this and have amended that she Was Not a sexual love/fertility goddess even if she had a sexual aspect, as it feeds into a bizarre trend of trying to shave down every ancient east Mediterranean/Mesopotamian/Southwest Asian/North African female deity into the same prototype of Ishtar-Innana. which isnt to say that the Ishtar-Innana sexual love/war thing is any less cool or correct, it is! its just a very interesting and now irritating concept i see reused Constantly in scholarship and online conversations alike, and it peeves me for not realizing it sooner. so this is my formal (/joke) apology and revision of the claim, since I generally interpret 'Anat to be more representative of the messy, violent, destructive emotional love now (still cool) since her sex-gender-expression is so fascinatingly complex that I think trying to shove her into the female deity=sexual fertility niche is reductive and generally less cool.
Have a pic of one of my cats (Finn, 14-ish, sweet and dumb boy) as compensation
the Tale of Aqhat, abridged and summarized
note: originally Aqhat is murdered by a devotee of Anat for this slight and eaten by vultures, but getting Smote and the family guy death pose is funnier out of context and for the uninitiated
I present a goddess that stole my heart lately.
Anat, the girl/adolescent.
War goddess, sister of Baal, the nuclear bomb of the ancient Canaanite pantheon.
She's a vibe and I love her, have a doodle from the Baal Cycle.
This is her father, btw, the supreme god of the pantheon, just so you know.
And he yields to her threats immediatly.
And doodles from the Aqhat text, where she is at her most unfair imo.
As she tries to bribe away Divine bow and arrows gifted to the hero Aqhat, and the young man is punished for rightfully standing his ground.

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From DC Comics Presents: Superman and The Joker #41