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Do you have some analysis for how Marinette continues to claim that she has "no choice" in whatever course of action she's currently taking? It's just annoying at this point.
I'm pretty sure the answer is a doylistic "the writers want to paint Marinette as the underdog and/or they genuinely believe she's an underdog who's facing terrible hardship and impossible odds".
But that's boring, and there's actually a pretty consistent watsonian explanation.
For all that Marinette is creative, she's actually quite cognitively inflexible. It takes a lot for her to adjust to (or even process) new information or pick a different course of action.
A good example is Chameleon. She keeps trying the same tactic over and over again despite failing. Calling out Lila's lies in front of everyone isn't going to work the fifth time she tries but she never stops and thinks about trying something else. It's Adrien who had to pull the breaks for her and cause her to change course.
A Fairy Good Night is another good example. The moment the thought popped into her head that Max might have trouble adjusting she got completely stuck on it. She took it as 1) something true 2) that she had to act on and 3) barely processed any evidence to the contrary. It was only when Max outright told her, in the plainest way possible, that the thought is completely baseless.
This isn't helped by how she has problems with object permanence, so to speak. If something isn't right in front of her, she kinda forgets it exists. Her treatment of Chat Noir is prime example, especially in Kuro Neko where she jumps to the conclusion he's taking a break based on nothing and doesn't consider that something might have happened or his personal life interfered.
This also goes for concepts and ideas. If something isn't part of her conception of the world, she doesn't see it. Child abuse is the most blatant and topical example here.
However, the way she handles problems is also emblematic of this. Her focus is always on stopping the visible distress and treating the symptoms rather than solving the underlying problem. If she can't see the problem, that means there is no problem, right?
You might think her anxiety and overthinking goes against this, but it doesn't. Her thoughts may be running a thousand miles a minute, but she's still getting stuck on her anxiety and catasrophizing. That's how we get episodes like Illustrhater, Sublimation and Vampigami, where she gets stuck on her anxiety and must act on it in order to manage it.
Those things combine to make it so that Marinette tunnels visions on whatever her current course of action is and struggles to see alternatives until something external changes her train of thought. This contributes to her shortsightedness (she doesn't think about the consequences beyond what she's tunneled visioned on) and her black and white thinking (whatever path she's seeing seems to be the only one to exist at the moment, making nuance impossible).
This leads to her acting like she's a lot more helpless than she is. Most of Marinette's problems are things she has the power to at the very least mitigate, if not outright solve. However, that would require her to be able to consider alternatives to her current situation.
She's Ladybug, so she only sees paths where she keeps being Ladybug. She's the Guardian, so she only sees paths where she continues to be the Guardian. She does everything herself, so she only sees paths where she does everything herself. She keeps secrets from Chat Noir for literally no reason, so she only sees paths where she keeps on keeping secrets from him.
Marinette is someone whose actions are heavily influenced by inertia. She keeps doing whatever she's doing until something outside herself comes and changes her course. The source may be psychological, but it still leads to her feeling like she's unable to change her circumstances, even when she's the one in charge.
A moment that really jumps to mind for me about this is Marinette crying about how they know nothing about the new butterfly holder in Nemesis. She never even tried doing anything to learn more about the new holder?? Alya did. She even got some nuggets of information. But Marinette never so much as tried.
And there's no reason why she couldn't have. The plan she came up with in Nemesis was a plan she could've came up with in ep 1 of s6. Sure, they would have to use the illusion of someone else rather than an illusion of Marinette, but that's about the only change needed.
Even if we're assuming that it only worked because they knew Chrysalis would target Marinette (an assumption that has many logical holes to it then again that entire plan is one giant plot hole), they could've just briefed the team ahead of time of the plan, kept putting out illusions as bait and alerting the team once Chrysalis bites.
But that would require Marinette to change course from her existing passivity, which in not something she does unless her anxiety or someone else kicks her ass into gear.
Marinette has a lot of power at her fingertips, which means she has a lot of choices and things she can do. However, it doesn't matter how many paths she's able to walk on if she's only ever able to see the path in front of her. It'll still feel like she has no choice but to continue doing what she's already doing, because that's the only choice she can see.
Hm, I hadn't thought about the inertia angle as much, but it does make sense. Like the whole thing with object permanence reminds me of the old "Fae Chat Noir" analysis I read years ago, where Marinette seems to conceive of Chat as being this almost supernatural person who doesn't have any problems of his own and who can only be hurt emotionally on a superficial level, who only exists as a superhero and not as a real life person whose emotional wellbeing she needs to be concerned about.
#also i would argue that part of it is the simple dodging of responsibility#she can justify just about anything by saying she has no choice#and still not carry the moral weight of it because what else was she supposed to do?#(aka the reason why her apologists keep using that excuse)#acknowledging that she had other options means acknowledging that she did bad stuff when she didn't have to#which is an uncomfortable experience so marinette avoids it like the plague
I think this is the main reason why she's taken to repeating that she "has no choice" so often lately. It really got egregious during the timespan when she briefly decided that she "had no choice" but to tell Adrien the truth, and then chickened out, and started saying that she "has no choice" but to lie more.
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Das ist nur ein statistischer Fehler. Ein Durchschnittsmensch isst null Wäschespinnen pro Jahr. Wäschespinnen-Georg, der in einer Höhle wohnt und über 10.000 pro Tag isst, ist ein Ausreißer udn hätte nicht gezählt werden sollen.
Hey guys! I decided because of the general interest surrounding you guys have had about the subject lately with how long season 6 took to air, I’d post the airing timelines of each season that I originally had been keeping track of in a very messy note in my notes app (included under the cut lol)! I just think it’s a neat piece of history and outside of the data I already have, having a post keeping track would also be fun in the long run for future seasons! Lmk if you guys want any stats to be added to this but yeah, here we go!
Season 1
Premiered: September 1st 2015 via EBS1 (South Korea)
Ended: March 19th 2016 via Télé-Quebec (Canada)
Total Airing Time from Premiere to End: 6 months and 18 days
Total time Between End of Last Season and End of this Season: N/A
Season 2
Premiered: October 21st 2017 via Disney Channel Spain*
Ended: Nov 3rd 2018 via RTS (Switzerland)
Total Airing Time from Premiere to End: 1 year and 13 days
Total time Between End of Last Season and End of this Season: 2 years, 7 months, and 15 days
*Technicallyyyyyy you could say this season started in Dec 2016 with the premiere of “Santa Claws”, but I don’t think a single soul on this planet considers that the season 2 premiere even if it is technically a part of the season, seeing as it’s a Christmas Special that has like nothing to do with anything else. Very similar to the position ‘Action’ serves in season 5.
Season 3
Premiered: Dec 1st 2018 via Disney Channel Spain
Ended: Nov 13th 2019 via Disney Channel Uk & Ireland
Total Airing Time from Premiere to End: 11 months and 12 days
Total time Between End of Last Season and End of this Season: 1 year and 10 days
Season 4
Premiered: March 23 2021 via Gloob (Brasil)
Ended: March 10 2022 via Gloob (Brasil)
Total Airing Time from Premiere to End: 11 months and 15 days
Total time Between End of Last Season and End of this Season: 2 years, 3 months, and 25 days
Season 5
Premiered: June 13th 2022 via Gloob (Brasil)
Ended: July 1st 2023* via RTS (Switzerland)
Total Airing Time from Premiere to End: 1 year and 18 days
Total time Between End of Last Season and End of this Season: 1 year, 3 months, and 15 days
* Technically, you could say that this season ended September 10th 2023 when “Action” aired, seeing as that is counted as the 27th episode of this season. However, Action is less of an ‘official’ episode and more of an extended PSA , and it’s outside of the usual 26 episode count that every other season has, so I’m not going to be counting it as the end. I will however be measuring it as the latest point of this season to go off of when measuring the time between the end of this season and the end of season 6, so if the number looks off that’s why lol.
Season 6
Premiered: Jan 24th 2025 via Gloob (Brasil)
Ended: August 8th 2026 via Disney Channel USA
Total Airing Time from Premiere to End: 1 year, 6 months, and 15 days
Total time Between End of Last Season and End of this Season: 2 years, 10 months, and 29 days
Overall Stats
Longest hiatus between seasons: Season 1 -> 2 hiatus (1 year 7 months and 2 days)
Shortest hiatus between seasons: Season 2 -> 3 (28 days)
Season that took the longest to finish Airing: Season 6 (1 year 6 months and 15 days)
Season that took the shortest to finish Airing: Season 1 (6 months and 18 days)
Well…. That’s it!! Let me know if there’s some other statistics you guys want included in this post, and for funsies (and as promised) a screenshot of the og note that I had on my phone is below the cut. Also, if you guys want to cross reference this data to see if I got everything right, you can check out the miraculous wiki or, for extra fun, my seasons 3, 4, 5, and 6 countdowns (although 3 is missing the start and 5 is missing the end lol)! Hope this proved interesting 😋
Thanks to an akuma, Marinette is late to yet another orange juice date with Kagami. Faced with her impatient and frustrated girlfriend, Marinette reveals her identity to save her relationship.
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Super random thought but the way English speakers "jokingly" treat the French is super iffy to me. Personally it doesn't affect me, I'm German and anything bad you say about us is true and we deserve it. But France has an odd place in the anglosphere where "French" itself is treated as an insult.
There are plenty of valid reasons to criticise France, its government and its legacy, like its history of colonialism and abhorrent violence, with Haiti, Algeria or Vietnam as just a few examples; or maybe how central control of culture is practiced with the Académie française and the refusal to ratify the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. Or in general the long history of racism, which is true for all of Europe but that doesn't mean any country gets to ignore it. And then of course are things like the requirement to label your bags on trains, which is just insane.
But the generic way English speakers criticise the French for being French is not to point out any of that. Instead the critique usually boils down to, "they say 'oui-oui' and eat baguette".
That just feels like someone just wants to be a bit racist or xenophobic and with the French they've found an acceptable target. This feels a bit iffy to me.
Again, not to say the French are not an acceptable target, it's a rich country with lots of cultural impact, they're not negatively impacted by whatever stereotypes you have about their coffee breaks. It's the underlying motivation, the "I want to make unreasonable fun of strangers" bit that rubs me the wrong way, no matter where the target lands. That it's France for English speakers is just a historic accident.
In other words, the problematic legacy that Adrien Agreste must deal with is not that he's "French". It's that his ancestors in whose summer home he lives probably profited from the slave trade.
Super random thought but the way English speakers "jokingly" treat the French is super iffy to me. Personally it doesn't affect me, I'm German and anything bad you say about us is true and we deserve it. But France has an odd place in the anglosphere where "French" itself is treated as an insult.
There are plenty of valid reasons to criticise France, its government and its legacy, like its history of colonialism and abhorrent violence, with Haiti, Algeria or Vietnam as just a few examples; or maybe how central control of culture is practiced with the Académie française and the refusal to ratify the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. Or in general the long history of racism, which is true for all of Europe but that doesn't mean any country gets to ignore it. And then of course are things like the requirement to label your bags on trains, which is just insane.
But the generic way English speakers criticise the French for being French is not to point out any of that. Instead the critique usually boils down to, "they say 'oui-oui' and eat baguette".
That just feels like someone just wants to be a bit racist or xenophobic and with the French they've found an acceptable target. This feels a bit iffy to me.
Again, not to say the French are not an acceptable target, it's a rich country with lots of cultural impact, they're not negatively impacted by whatever stereotypes you have about their coffee breaks. It's the underlying motivation, the "I want to make unreasonable fun of strangers" bit that rubs me the wrong way, no matter where the target lands. That it's France for English speakers is just a historic accident.
Marinette's emotional state as of Secret Protocol and Nemesis is so fascinating. I don't think the question "is she doing the right thing with Adrien?" is super interesting; she's not, she's in the wrong, and she canonically knows this and feels bad about it. No, what's really worth watching is why she's stuck in that hole and why she fails to dig herself out of it.
First there's the lying, something Marinette hates that she's also really good at. She's been lying about being Ladybug all her life the entire last school year and she's gotten excellent at it. Making up fibs on the spot, keeping huge parts of her life secret from everyone she knows and loves, this is a skill that must be learned and that she learned well. At this point it's her default mode of being, with thousands of secret protocols to keep the lie going. Lying to Adrien and Alya about one more thing associated with red and black dots seems like just another one on the pile.
And emotionally, she has a long history of training herself to think it's necessary and good to do so. Lying protects Paris, her friends, her parents, Adrien, everyone. Telling the truth is risky; controlling the narrative is not just morally okay, it's her solemn duty. Secret Protocol proved that, as did the complex and almost successful plan in Nemesis.
The lie about Gabriel is different, and she knows it, feels it in her soul, but it still fits neatly into this scheme she developed and spent a lot of time perfecting.
And then on the other side, Marinette has very little to no experience telling the truth. A few people figured out she's Ladybug on their own; a few people she told essentially under duress, with zero plan, when everything else got too much. How do you tell people that you've been lying to them for months? That would be mortifying for all of us but she in particular has no idea.
Lying is her safe space. The default. The thing you do without thinking, the choice that is always correct, because the truth may have consequences. And it's not working here, she knows it's not, but how does she get out? Isn't it scary? She's going to hurt him, herself, everyone, and crucially she can't control any of it once the truth is out.
And of course there's her whole anxiety. It took her forever to admit her crush on Adrien, tell him she loves him, kiss him, because she's an anxious little bean who gets herself worked up to hell and back both over valid things and over absolutely nothing. The same thing that makes her a great superhero keeps ruining her life.
This season more than any before has made sure to point that out, with references to "Marinette moments", Max pointing out that Marinette has a particular way of thinking and so on. Where her behaviour was just cartoonish in season 1, these days it's gently pointed out that those seem to be issues that hurt her. I still genuinely think there's a good chance that we will see an episode end with Marinette in the therapist's office, and when the therapist asks Marinette why she's there, Marinette responds with, "Tikki, spots on".
Anyway, it's so fascinating and heartbreaking to see her here, trapped by her own choices, her own preconceived notions and her own mind.
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Marinette: “I’m so sorry, Adrien. I can’t do this anymore.”
Adrien: “But why Marinette? I don’t understand.”
Marinette (panicking, failing to come up with a good excuse, looking wildly around Adrien’s room until her gaze catches on a ladyblog article open on his computer): “Because… BECAUSE I STILL HAVE FEELINGS FOR CHAT NOIR”
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