Tin Lizzie, DL in WA

Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Iraq do not recognize Israel.

But politics ends where survival begins.

Modern drip irrigation - one of the most important agricultural technologies for arid and water-stressed countries - was developed in Israel. It saves water, increases yields, and helps grow food where traditional agriculture collapses under heat, drought, and scarcity.

The technology works even when the politics don’t.

You can refuse to say “Israel”.

You can ban Israeli passports.

You can preach boycott from a podium.

But when your farmers need to feed people with less water, Israeli innovation becomes very hard to boycott.

That is the core problem with BDS: it is a luxury ideology.

It works best for people who already have full shelves, reliable hospitals, smartphones, GPS, water systems, cybersecurity, and modern medicine. It is easy to shout “boycott Israel” while using a phone, app, chip, medical device, irrigation system, or security technology shaped by Israeli innovation.

BDS is not a serious economic strategy - It is a performance.

And the performance collapses the moment reality arrives.

Look at Judea and Samaria.

If Norway, Ireland - or anyone else - wants to boycott Jewish businesses there, they should be honest about what that means.

It does not “free Palestine.”

It does not build peace.

It does not feed a single Palestinian child.

It targets Israeli-owned businesses where Palestinians often work, earn salaries, support families, and interact daily with Jews in ways Western activists claim to support but constantly sabotage.

These jobs often pay far more than jobs under the Palestinian Authority. They create economic cooperation. They create daily contact. They are one of the few places where Jews and Palestinians actually work side by side instead of being reduced to slogans by people thousands of miles away.

So what do the boycotters do?

They target those businesses.

They do not liberate Palestinians.

They get Palestinians fired.

The SodaStream case was the perfect example. BDS activists celebrated pressure on an Israeli factory in Judea and Samaria - a factory that employed hundreds of Palestinians. When the factory moved, many Palestinian workers lost good jobs.

The activists called it a victory.

A victory for whom?

Not for the Palestinian father who lost his paycheck.

Not for coexistence.

Not for peace.

Only for the activists’ ego.

That is the sickness of BDS: it would rather Palestinians be unemployed than employed by Jews.

And the damage does not stop there.

Countries, cities, universities, and pension funds that adopt BDS are not just making a moral error. They may be making a financial one.

In the United States, many anti-BDS laws penalize companies or institutions that boycott Israel. And in New York, an ADL/JLens analysis warned that if city pension funds adopted BDS-style divestment from major companies doing business with Israel, taxpayers and retirees could face more than $37 billion in losses.

So the boycotters want to hurt Israel.

Instead, they risk hurting Palestinians, workers, retirees, taxpayers, universities, cities, and their own economies.

And then there is the absurd theater of the Coca-Cola boycotts.

Out of all the Israeli-linked technology embedded in modern life - water systems, stents, medical devices, cherry tomatoes, agricultural science, Intel chips, USB drives, Waze, cybersecurity, desalination, emergency medicine - they obsess over soda.

Why?

Because it is easy.

Because nobody wants to give up their phone, their navigation app, their laptop, their medical care, or the irrigation systems feeding entire populations.

So instead, they boycott Coca-Cola.

And then, conveniently, a new “resistance cola” appears to sell them a substitute.

The useful idiots get to feel revolutionary.

Someone else gets to make money.

But Israel keeps building.

That is why BDS will fail.

Because Israel is too useful, too innovative, too integrated, and too necessary to the systems that keep modern life running.

You can boycott an Israeli orange.

Good luck boycotting Israeli water technology.

You can scream about “apartheid” BS while using Waze to get to the protest.

You can denounce Zionism on a device powered by technology shaped in Israeli labs.

You can refuse to recognize Israel at the United Nations and still depend on the inventions of the people you pretend do not exist.

But maybe BDS and the last 2 years accidentally taught Israel the most important lesson of all:

These countries cannot live without Israel.

Israel has leverage.

And slowly, Israel is starting to understand that leverage should be used to stabilize the region, and fight incitement.

Jordan has spent decades benefiting from water cooperation with Israel. Under the 1994 peace framework and later arrangements, Israel supplied Jordan with critical water in one of the driest countries on earth. Israel cooperated because Israel has always preferred regional stability over regional collapse.

But cooperation cannot be a one-way street forever.

If a country depends on Israeli water while allowing antisemitic incitement, anti-Israel hysteria, and educational poison to flourish, Israel has every right to ask:

Why should the Jewish state subsidize hatred against Jews?

Maybe this should be the new model.

If you want Israeli water, stop teaching your children to hate Israel.

If you want Israeli technology, stop funding campaigns to destroy Israel.

If you want Israeli medical innovation, stop pretending the Jewish state has no right to exist.

If you want Israeli intelligence, trade, desalination, agriculture, cybersecurity, and emergency cooperation - act like a partner, not a parasite.

And maybe Europe should hear the same message.

European governments benefits from Israeli intelligence, cybersecurity, medical research, water technology, military innovation, trade, and restraint - while funding NGOs, UN bodies, and political campaigns that demonize the very country helping defend the West from threats Europe refuses to name.

Enough.

It's easy to boycott Israel when someone else assumes Israeli intelligence will always be there to stop the next jihadist attack. 

One day, Europe may discover how expensive virtue signaling can be.

“weaponizing antisemitism”

“weaponizing the holocaust”

“essentializing antisemitism”

“eternal victims”

“victim card declined”

Please. Just... fucking please. It happens all. The. Fucking. Time. I swear half the people on this site can't hear the word "Holocaust" without burping up some screed on how really queer people were the REAL victims, and just mentioning that antisemitism was the wellspring of it all, the excuse the Nazis used to go after everyone else they hated, is "erasure".

Opposing this, aka antizionism, is direct support for the politically poisoned dick-measuring contest known as arab colonialism. Opposition to Jewish landback, to Jewish safety, to Jewish practice, and to Jewish life. We know what happened for most of history when Jews did not have an independent country, with our own defense force, our own laws, and our own independence.

Pure and simple. It is not Jewish supremacy. It is not informative or indicative of support (or lack thereof) for any given statement or action of the Israeli government. That is a seperate idea entirely. It is not inherently violent. It is not racism, or bigotry. It is not opposition to anyone else's existence, because it predates everyone else. It is not even a negotiable political debate. It is a Jewish philosophy, the foundation of our whole existence in practice. And it does not involve anyone but Jews, just like the rest of Judaism.

If you're on twitter or threads or reddit, and you say, "Oh, I had a terrible experience with Delta Airlines. They canceled my flight and then booked me into a hotel room with a stranger," and you tag Delta, there's a chance Delta Airlines itself will come and apologize. Maybe even give you some SkyMiles or something.

But if you complain about a terrible airline experience on tumblr, all you can hope for is that someone might come along and write slash fiction about two guys who get booked into the same hotel room by Delta Airlines.

You can't gain social capital by being here. Nobody knows who you even ARE because your user name is, like, some randomly generated phrase or else an obscure reference to hockey sex books.

- A quote I'd like broadcast into every Hamasnik rally in the west at 120 decibels.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was effectively Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union also pulling their brand of imperialism and splitting up Eastern Europe for themselves.

And after the war, denazification wasn't fully implemented. Sure, many of the Nazi top brass were trialled and hanged. Some got life sentences. Plenty got away scot free (cough Albert Speer). We dont talk enough about the various companies and organisations that aided and backed the Nazis, both within Germany and outside of it. Even the railway workers who ran the trains

The Allies decided it was unrealistic to arrest everyone involved (also with Cold War tensions ramping up) and decided to focus more efforts to rebuild Germany. And plenty of Nazis became part of the West German government. A few too in East Germany. Then also poached to be part of the US and Soviet space programmes

We have Austria who paraded themselves as the "first victims of Nazism" despite being enthusiastic for joining Germany. The referendum was rigged, but there was much more fervent support for Nazism in Austria than Germany. And so we ended up with an ex-Nazi who ran the UN and also became President of Austria

We have Poland who enthusiastically barred their returning Jewish neighbors, whom they had betrayed, from returning to their homes. Now, Poland had made it illegal to even suggest that some of them had collaborated with the Nazi regime during the occupation

Meanwhile, Israel continues hunting down Nazis and even got condemned for repatriating Adolf Eichmann back to Israel, where he was trialled and put to death

Honestly, it seems the legacy of Nazism is not even dead. But also, that's because Nazism was a manifestation of European antisemitism. Nazism didnt come from a vacuum, that one day some small group decided to kill Jews. Kill Jews have unfortunately been a prevailing popular idea, and all they needed was some trumped up justification

First of all, let’s just be honest. Palestinians are not interested in democracy. They are Islamist extremists who openly executed and celebrated October 7. If they actually won, they would slaughter 7 millions Jews and 2 million Israeli Arabs and Palestinians they considered collaborators. That’s not remotely controversial if you’ve actually paid attention to what these groups say and do.

Then what? Gaza doesn’t have an economy. The West Bank is deeply dependent on Israel and international aid. They’ve spent generations fighting Israel instead of building the institutions of a functioning state. So after the evil Jews are finally gone, what exactly is the plan? What industry suddenly appears? What government? What economy?

The answer seems pretty obvious to me. Palestine would become an extremist Islamist state almost immediately. The violence wouldn’t stop. It would just find new targets.

Hezbollah would stop being an ally and start being a rival. Jordan would be next. Egypt would be next. Revolutionary movements don’t retire if they win, they look for another revolution.

People always ask why Egypt and Jordan don’t simply open their borders. They’ve already learned this lesson. Both have dealt with Palestinian militants destabilizing their own countries. They don’t want to do it again.

Then there’s the issue of how Palestinians don’t literally starve. 

For decades Palestinians have survived on extraordinary levels of international aid. Does anyone seriously believe that continues after the destruction of Israel? I don’t. Western countries aren’t going to enthusiastically bankroll the state that just carried out one of the largest massacres in modern history. And Arab governments would have no political incentive to feed the people killing them (something Israel does.) 

So what would the Palestinians be left with?

An impoverished Islamist state. Competing militias. Something much closer to Yemen than Singapore. Famine. Civil war. Religious extremism. The sane Palestinians trapped in the middle.

And for them, emigration would become impossible. Right now many countries accept Palestinian refugees because the story is they’re fleeing Israel. If Israel no longer exists because it was Holocausted, I have a hard time believing those same countries are going to welcome any refugees.

The uncomfortable truth is the current stalemate is almost certainly better for Palestinians than “victory.”

If you actually care about the future of the Palestinian people instead of chanting slogans, the only path that makes any sense is generations of deradicalization, building functioning institutions, developing a real economy, and eventually creating a state that defines itself by what it builds instead of what it wants to destroy.

Body Horror: Things that cannot happen in real life. EX: The Thing, stomach mouths, eyes on hands, etc

Gore: Fresh injuries, often severe. EX: Severed leg, gutspill, deep gashes, etc

NEITHER: Healed injuries and burns, congenital differences, missing appendages, etc. If I could theoretically go to the store and see that character browsing the isles- It isn't body horror or gore. That's just a person. *AND the amount of people that tag, not just fictional characters, but real human beings as body horror is staggering. Its not solely a fandom issue, ableism and bigotry against anyone that looks sufficiently "different" is prevalent in real life and has devastating consequences.