Saying goodbye to Toonhound Studios and looking forward.
Not that this is a huge shock, but PvP is officially no more and the site is down. It hadn't updated in years, but it's still a massive piece of webcomic history and it's a little sad that it's no longer available online (you have to buy it on PDF now).
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Bro, Homestuck, you can't go like six weeks without an update and then update twice in rapid succession during SpiderForest application review.
I actually got a Saffsage page written today, I'm prepping for a Pathfinder game tomorrow, I was productive, and now this is happening.
This being....whatever this is? Looks like Ly'lac is talking to TC, the mirthful purple mastermind. Are we going to get some deep lore? Perhaps a new idea? There's at least a narwhal going on.
GC: hey brobro.
GC: guess who got her freaking orb fixed...
TC: well.
TC: if i had tø hazard a hunch...
TC: if i had tø wiggle my damn hunches...
TC: ready tø fucking pøunce øn an answer tø yøur LATE AS HELL reply...
TC: i'd have tø guess it was yøu, dude!!!
I know "dude" is kinda sorta gender-neutral, but given the whole boys-v-girls theme of the whole planet it's still an eyebrow-raising phrase.
GC: however bo'bo slice i gotta remind you that a nymph is never late.
GC: nor is she early...
GC: she always arrives precisely when she feels it.
GC: watch out, i'm spitting all over the orb rn...
GC: better get some glasses.
TC: sø i can drink it up?
GC: you sick fuck...
TC: pøssibly the sickest.
GC: ha ha ha you and cc both being nasty as fuck today.
GC: one of these days we need to lock you nasty freaks up...
TC: funny yøu shøuld mentiøn that...!
TC: but høpping back øn the detective wave før a mømø, nøw that i've cracked the cøde and deduced the absølute shit øut øf the case øf the missing birthday bitch via my incredible pøwers øf waiting før yøu tø get yøur wøbbly-ass head in the game...
TC is starting to turn into a Dave.
-- tinnitusChakra [TC] sent a file HAPPYMORPHDAY_EUPHORICYARDSTYLEREMIX_VIP.mp3 --
TC is rapidly starting to turn into a Dave.
TC: i knøw it's sick as, but imagine høw much sicker it'll be when we're cutting shapes straight øut the fløør møshing hard as all hell tø this shit, IN PERSØN.
GC: hold up... this is really good...?
GC: actually wait, i'm running it back give me a second.
TC: økay, yøu førced my hand, nøw i'm listening again tøø.
TC: fuck...
TC: it's grøøvy...!
GC: hell yes...
GC: wait let's sync this.
GC: on 3...
TC: røger.
GC: you start the count.
TC: økay fuck yes, øn 3.
TC: 3.
TC: wait, øn 3?
TC: girl, WHAT are we TALKING ABØUT?
Though I do appreciate him getting so lost in his own music that he forgets his own scheme.
GC: cartoons are real.
TC: yeah man, art is pøwerful as fuck.
GC: no dude...
GC: vriska is real.
Cursed dialogue.
TC: i think yøu're gønna be able tø find it in yøur hearts tø førgive me when i lay døwn my next mørphday gift, sø last minute even i didn't knøw i was giving it tø yøu MYSELF until just tøday.
TC: that cartøøn?
TC: she's gønna be real-life in-persøn actually før truesies
TC: LEGIT
TC: jøining us før tøday's gaming sesh.
GC: yeah i knew that.
So, TC is talking about Vrissy, who is distinct from the OG Vriska, who is the inspiration (?) for Cartoon Vriska. We are six degrees of Kevin Vriska away from anything working out.
GC: your old ass caretaker would probably appreciate fewer tripping hazards lmfao.
TC: LØL.
TC: yøu'd maybe expect that from a guy whø's been arøund that løng but the exemplar is super spry when he's nøt crushing øne øf his certified cøma-naps.
TC's guardian (I almost said ancestor) is the Exmplar, the king of all Satyrs and the one responsible for the Satanimal fuckin' up Swiss' room r/n. Also a very Dirk-Coded character, in the same way Del'fi's guardian is Rose-coded.
GC: old people die, it's basically the only thing they do.
TC: ønly øld dude i ever kick it with døesn't seem tø cøncur but he's definitely an øutlier...
TC: writing this shit døwn thøugh...
TC: "øld...
TC: peøple...
TC: die."
TC: there, cønsider it scrawled.
<politics>they could stand to die a little more</politics>
Jesus even for Homestuck this feels like a very long words-per-image ratio.
GC: ha ha you wouldn't try and leave me behind or some shit right...?
TC: be seriøus.
GC: lol i wasn't serious.
She was totally serious, and I think she's right to be worried.
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-- incoming automated message from BOBOT [BB] --
BB: IT APPEARS THAT HE'S FALLEN ASLEEP.
TC joked about kicking Vriska and immediately he falls asleep #suspicious #VriskaHasSleepPowers #SoDoesVrissy
Also oh boy a Dirk-style Autoresponder robot wonderful. I love new and original ideas.
BB: ALL BLACKSTAR REMOTE UNITS HAVE BEEN SET TO [DANCE MODE].
This is probably not a Bowie reference, though, the Black Star might be related to the Green Sun.
GC: heh, too many xans i guess.
GC: don't forget to ping me first when you wake up, party boy!!!
Xans? As in...Xanax? Xanax can cause drowsiness...
And that's the whole update. One gif. There's a reason this comic style is famously efficient I guess.
I gotta be honest, I'm insanely busy (work, SpiderForest applications, actually writing my own comic at some point) and kind of burnt on Homestuck but for some reason people like seeing my liveblogs enough to complain when I don't do them. Maybe I'm just in a mood because I can't drill the screws out of my good chair.
Oh, the "blood" prank again. REAL mature, guys.
Anyway all of Swiss' friends are dead. Wait, what?
Well at least it's quiet now.
Sorry, I know the reckoning is starting but did the whole frat just get murdered offscreen while Swiss was having a tantrum in the bathroom? What's going on? What are those gashes in Swiss' door?
Your boys are always warning you about your penchant for the dramatic. They say, Swiss, all you do is make yourself miserable. And for the first time ever, you're almost willing to consider their words on the matter.
Dramatic irony is a literary device where characters don't know something the audience does, such as here where Swiss decides to stop panicking on the same day his entire world is literally destroyed.
This nasty fuck is one of the few remaining SATANIMALS not sequestered off from polite society, and the only one you've ever had the profound displeasure of meeting. He tends to get out like this once or twice a lap, occasionally taking some lives and often wrecking your beautiful campus. It's tragic, but it's also a school tradition implemented 200 laps ago so there's no way that's ever going to end.
This is hardly unique to Beyond Canon, it's a problem with any IP that gets new writers, but....we did this. This is a reference to Humanimals which in addition to never being funny or liked by anyone was also already the basis for the Lusii. This is just ideas Hussie had twenty years ago getting reheated. And not even his good ideas!
Homestuck 2 had the issue a lot of IPs had (Star Wars most famously) where a huge creative world of infinite possibility got shrank down and down and down until there were only twenty people in the multiverse who mattered at all. Beyond Canon was moving away from that a little with a bunch of new species on a new planet, but the Deltritans were already Trolls 2 and we don't need to be reusing their gimmicks. This goals for the Narwhal, too, by the way. We did ancestors already!
GOOD HEAVENS WHAT IN THE HELL IS THAT?
Anyway I guess Swiss's exile is Jane since they say "good heavens" unironically but aren't going wildly over the top with the old-timeyness like Jake does.
KILL THAT FUCKING THING NOW!!
This is, to be fair, the first sensible reaction anyone has had to literally anything in this entire franchise.
There's no exact consensus on the origin of SATANIMALS, but despite their myriad wretched forms all of them seem to exhibit some degree of satyrical anatomical features, or rough equivalents to them, and they're occasionally disturbingly genetically proximal to satyrkind. Everyone pretends this makes them special and worth preserving but you're of the opinion that they are hideous mistakes made by god. Unfortunately, the Exemplar seems to adore them, so they get to continue their shameful existences frolicking and rampaging across gorgeous national parks and nature preserves that would be much better suited to the frolicking and rampaging of satyrs.
I suppose if there's anyone to blame for reheating old Homestuck ideas no one liked the first time, it's "The Exemplar" (aka Dirk).
Oh no not Serenity 2. Serenibee.
....There's a 50/50 chance she's actually named Serenibee.
Anyway that's enough of that.
GC: wait.
GC: delfi wtf is this...?
GC: DEL'FI???
GC: how did you get this???
GC: ...
GC: ...
GC: THANK YOU???
GC: omg omg.
GC: THIS IS CRAZY!!!
Ly'lac is extremely happy to get her present from Del'Fi (original art from the creator of "Beyond Anon", who is secretly Del'fi himself) and wants Del'Fi to play the game. Wow. Cool.
I think one of my favorite parts about Swan Boy is that it's built around a 3-person friend group but two of the three people actively dislike each other.
And I like it because it's sort of preposterous and leads to jokes but there's enough dregs of backstory that I still understand why they sometimes hang out together in the first place.
Speaking of funny things that make sense, I like how Rona's two gimmicks are "severe anxiety disorder leaving her often meek and pathetic" and "fuk u fite me knife emoji", and even though these two gimmicks are conceptually opposites she never feels like she's acting randomly because it's very consistent. She'll spend hours panicking because she said something kind of cool to Cassie and now can't live up to the bar she said for herself but she has zero tolerance for a man trying to push her around. She's a great character, and a good example of how you don't need an entire book of every conceivable favorite color like/dislike etc to write a believable, interesting, funny underdog character who can play a starring role in major arcs. Rona does two (2) things and then they put into into situations and that's all you really need.
Mary: I'm lonely all the time and Fauna is my only friend
Clover: I'll be your friend!
Also Mary: *Naruto runs away*
Clover: I hate how this keeps happening. When I'm an adult the next time some one tries to leave me I'm going to grab them by the most convenient body part to keep them around
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I'm most just saying this as an excuse to let people know The Golden Boar is off hiatus, but I'm intrigued by this wrinkle in a "tournament arc" where actually winning or losing the fight doesn't strictly matter. Just sort of a novel idea I think.
Also digging the stache on that pokemon down there.
I know it's a separate update, but if the next page says "the baby is you" I'm going to be a little bit mad. We just did that joke two pages ago.
You cannot be the baby. Why in the world would you want to be a baby? Especially one so unfortunate to be born during THE GREAT LOSS.
Baby nymphs kind of look like baby Digimon but somehow even less detailed. Is this a flashback to the vaguely alluded to "first" reckoning?
[S] Ly'lac: Descend.
Oh no, it's the current one. RIP that baby, I guess. I do kind of like how the Homestuck 2 cast is actually integrated with their worlds and are inclined to miss them. John was the only character in Homestuck 1 to be sad that the entire fucking Earth exploded and he got over it in two lines of dialogue. HS2 is milking the horses a bit more. This is doubly interesting because we barely knew Deltritus and Earth C is so criminally underdeveloped that it's the one part of the old writing that the new writers openly complain about. Anyway, I'm procrastinating. You were [S]ing?
So this Flash appears to be Ly'lac irritated that she's slowly sinking because her ride is going down. Ly'Lac...you can swim. Right? Guess she's not feeling it? Or can the aquatic character actually not swim, which I guess would be a funny weakness.
We're not looking at the first reckoning, but we are getting some lore on the Uni-Nymph, whom Del'Fi was all about. He was a meteor kid, who landed on the surface and was raised as a Satyr despite being a...well, supposedly a Nymph, but those look like horse ears on his upper organon.
Then this twink shows up and he must be the...other guy....there was a Nymph and a Satyr and they created the game in Ye Olde times. What was this dude's name? I forget. Lemme go check the flash where it's revealed.
It's broke. Great. Awesome. To the wiki! The "Grey Rain" was caused by "an unspeakably evil satyr tyrant king and a scheming nymph enchantress", which I've been assuming are the same as the floaty twink and the Uni-Nymph but if these are ancestors then maybe not. I had it in my head that the King and Enchantress would be players in the existing session, but I guess you can't have a session without a Scratch. For some reason.
The Uni-Nymph is sold out to the Nymphs by his frat. Per Del'Fi, "There's no way she could have translated The Council's "reclamation" of the Uni-Nymph and the slaying of Barley Frat in a school AU", so these traitorous horses are presumably Barley Frat and presumably don't profit from whatever deal they're making here.
The twinky other guy is presumably the "Australian" who came to Barley Frat and "Danced them into the sea" from Swiss' lore books.
For a brief period, there was a fourth tier; a reclusive, monastic order of socially anxious isolationists. They spent the majority of their existence in unremarkable obscurity, contributing basically nothing, but their final decades were marked by a profound change: a commitment to revelry so infectious that it went on to fundamentally change the nature of satyr society, prompted by the appearance of a man who flew across the sea from the uninhabited Cursed Land, Australia. He catapulted their order to the highest echelons of power and influence, which you always found weird because he was just a savage degenerate.
At any rate, that didn't last long, because at some point their so-called "revolutionary" danced them all into the sea. So you guess maybe he wasn't such a fucking cool guy after all.
Poor, sweet, dear, precious, Meemaw. She was so damn old.
Meemaw dies of....something. Fear, I guess? Ly'Lac eats her. No prototyping for you, Meemaw.
THE NARWHAL wants to speak with you.
Well, that's cool. The flash kind of implied this is the Uni-Nymph, transformed (and, uh, I've since got a patreon bonus update that confirms it). I suppose we'll have to see where this goes. Ly'Lac saw the Narwhal from Derse, so maybe he is in the game somehow and my crack theory is still alive?
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everywhere I see talking about Hans Vogel talks about how it’s antifascist and about him coming to terms with being a Nazi, but like. when the protagonist of your webcomic is a Nazi it feels like you need to do a bunch of stuff to make it clear you are not pro-Nazi and you’re not woobifying them, and the webcomic just Hasn’t Done That.
(I also have a lot of feelings as a Jew about liberally throwing in Nazi symbols into your webcomic like the author does constantly but that’s a whole other discussion)
Hm. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it. I don't think characters need to look at the camera every now and then to be "FYI nazis are bad", and I certainly don't think Hans Vogel is Dead is pro-Nazi
See?
And I'm also cognizant of how "Something hasn't been addressed in a long time" is a subset of "webcomics take fucking forever to make".
But for a comic that sells itself as an anti-fascist comic about a nazi going to a fairy tale land and learning that fascism is bad, the whole "nazi" thing hasn't come up that much. Even the site's "about" page euphemistically calls him a "card-carrying party member" without mentioning the party, and Hans is established as being vaguely uncomfortable being a nazi from minute one, never wears a swastika, and conveniently dies in 1940 before the Holocaust begins. He's never presented as a Nazi that needs to unlearn fascism, he's presented as a decent dude who just kind of happened to be on the wrong side of the war and has already realized it. Even the shield that's supposedly representative of his dark past has a griffin on it instead of, say, a black eagle.
And I get it. It's completely understandable that you don't want your protagonist of your anti-fascist webcomic waving a swastika and going on rants about ridding the world of degenerates and shit. I can't imagine the discourse if that happened. (especially given that this comic started in 2015 and the real world context around fascism was about to change quite a bit). But there's a really strong tension between "The comic is about the evils of fascism and a fascist learning to change" and "I want my protagonist to not be a fucking nazi" and the comic is trying to split the difference in a way I don't think works. I'm a little worried that Reineke is going to be Jewish and that's why Hans literally can not see her as human because I don't think that metaphor's going to work at all.
I'm not really sure what's to be done about it at this point, though. It's a bit late for Hans to go "Oh by the way I'm a huge Hitler fan and there's a bunch of racist shit I need to unlearn", but if your comic is about a dude learning not to be a fascist he kind of needs to start out as a fascist and by not committing to the bit you lose the ability to criticize fascism in the comic because it ends up not actually coming up anywhere. It's just a comic about a dude having adventures and also sometimes the SS logo is there.
Hm. Given that Hans Vogel is a wolf who sees himself as a man, and Reineke is a fox who thinks she's a girl, that painting in the background seems like omino- I'm sorry is that the SS logo?
Do you think your opinion of Swanboy has changed since you first started reading it? I ask because I had similar, unimpressed "wow cool millennial references bro" first impression of the comic but since I started reading regularly I've been having such a good time with the characters.
A little. I liked Swan Boy when I first read it and I like it more now. Part of that is that I appreciate it more but I think the main reason is just that the two most recent arcs ("Philly Trip" and "Noel Goes To Hooters") have been really good and it's literally a better comic now than it was when I first judged it.
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I know I'm supposed to have "thoughts" and "analysis" and things but sometimes I just want to say "I have no fucking idea what's going on in this comic but it's pretty good and you should read it" and right now I'm feeling that way about Bleating Heart.
What's really throwing me is that this is an intermission that takes place twenty-ish years in the future of the main comic, and introduces a lot of romance drama that's extremely messy emotionally and literally for Clover and Devin, but it's an intermission and presumably we're going to go back to Clover and Devin as little kids where Clover's all like
And there's just going to be the Sad Handjob of Damocles hanging over the comic forever now. Which would be such a weird creative choice. Or maybe after nine chapters of grade school we're suddenly going to go nonlinear and start jumping around the timeline and find out where Fauna went between the present and the intermission. Which would also be strange just for being such a radical change in format. Either way, it's interesting! I'm intrigued! I want to know more!