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They have the same trauma and abandonment issues and self-esteem issues, but they just cope differently and in a way the complements each other but also gives them their main issue.
Because she holds onto people and begs for commitment and somothers them with love, but can also be self-centered and shallow and he pushes people away, can't commit because he's scared and doesn't believe he deserves it and thinks eventually they will leave so he leaves first. But they honestly also have the same sense of humor. I realized that a lot of things Jackie says Hyde could've just as easily said them too but instead of about Donna, about any of his male friends because he respects women more and actually encourages them to want more. He wanted Jackie to be the breadwinner and believed in her which is what she needed to be less shallow. He opened her mind and she opened his heart. UGH I LOVE THEM.
I have been silent for a while now on tumblr, but i'm pretty active on twitter, because this is where the most of Kastlers happens, ngl.
That being said, i think twitter is also the worst place to speak about the fuck is hapenning in Daredevil Born Again right now and the state of the ships, because there is SO MUCH to say !
(Beware very long post ahead)
Kastlers have been in the dark for more than 6 months, the end of season 1 promised us a love triangle between Matt, Karen and Frank, but in the middle of the year, we learned in a shaddy way, that the Punisher wouldn't be in the season 2 at all, despite the fact that everyone was pretty sure he would be in it - So much that, each time a big media would talk about Born Again s2 they would include a picture of him.
Not a single journalist asked WHY Frank wasn't included in this damn season, when part of the story revolves around him and what he represents. The cops are litteraly wearing his logo ?
It really looked like, NO ONE was allowed to ask any question about it at all, which is super weird?
And when more people started to freak out about Punisher absence, Vincent D'onofrio (Fisk) stepped up to say something about Jon being busy filming Spiderman when they shot season 2 (Except Spiderman started filming months later, but ok.)
So basically, once the news and the trailer dropped, we knew Kastle was kinda doomed.
I had months to prepare mentally for that season 2, not only because of KD but also because of Frank's absence.
And now that the first episode is out, let me tell you that i am kinda happy Kastle lost, because i think KD lost even more.
Imagine waiting so many years for your ship to finally sail only to be robbed of its best part?
I mean, I suppose people are satisfied with that, but if that happened to Kastle i'd have been so mad.
All that build up for so many years, only for the climax to happen off screen? lol I'd have burned the studio.
TBH, It's not like Matt and Karen had any climax going on to begin with, but that's not an excuse to put them together out of nowhere, because they dont make sense at all?
Ok imagine, for a second, that you don't know shit about Daredevil and you discover it for the first time with the series:
Daredevil Season 1:
Karen and Matt meet for the first time, because Karen is being arrested for murder
Matt and Foggy save her, and Karen kinda start pinning for Matt
Matt doesn't really give a shit about her because he is busy kissing Claire Temple
Claire Temple breaks up with Matt
Daredevil Season 2:
Matt is aware of Karen presence and starts flirting back with her
They get their first date and their first kiss and that same night, Elektra is in town reaching for Matt
Matt keeps lying to Karen to be with Elektra
Karen meets Frank Castle, and they both start bonding
Karen and Matt get their first argument based on a fondamental view of the world, one think killing is bad, the other one think killing is the solution (sometimes), but Matt gets very upset and Karen tries to minimise her thoughts to please him
Karen discovers that Matt hang with Elektra (who is lying in his bed) and breaks up with him
We learn that Elektra is Matt's first passionate love
We witness plenty of flash back of Matt & Elektra together, kissing, dating, having sex
Matt says to Elektra that he doesn't regret being by her side instead of trying to fix his mistakes with Karen
Karen starts to help Frank a lot and takes his side a lot
Matt hears Karen heartbeats and realises something might have happened between Frank and her (even if they believe Frank is dead)
Karen wishes to carry Frank's memory and starts writting an article about him to show who he really is
Frank even if pretending to be dead, still keep an eye on Karen and ends up saving her
Matt, who tells since season 1 he cannot leave hells kitchen because he swore to protect it, starts to ask Elektra to leave with him somewhere else so they can be happy
Elektra is killed and Matt is devastated (Frank helps him fight the ninjas by killing them and Matt doesn't even try to stop him)
Matt decides to tell Karen the truth about his superhero identity (on Elektra advices), they stay friends.
The Defenders:
Elektra is back from the dead, and we see Matt comiting one of the greatest sin in christianity, which is suicide. (he decides to stay with Elektra and die with her)
Until now, Karen still hasn't shattered a single bit his beliefs, but Elektra did 3 times already.
Elektra dies again, but at this point we're all aware she'll be back someday
Punisher season 1 :
While everyone think Matt is dead, Frank in the middle of his mission to avenge his familly, stops everything to rescue Karen: blows up his cover, take a bullet in the arm, another one in the head, dislocate his arm by jumping in a stair case, protect her from a bomb explosion and stays with her until he is sure she is safe, he waits for her approval before going back to his mission
Frank also considers Karen like his familly, his wife (his words not mine) - Smiles and doesn't deny anything when Micro refers to Karen as Frank's girlfriend.
Daredevil Season 3 :
Matt is alive and hide from Karen, while she still pays his rent
Matt rescues Karen from Bullseye, but instead of asking her if she is ok, blames her because he could have arrested Fisk instead
They end up friends at the end of season 3
Punisher season 2 :
Karen helps Frank escape from the hospital and asks him to chose love (her) instead of another war, but Frank refuses, Karen leaves heartbroken (so is Frank)
She Hulk Attorney At Law :
Matt dates Jennifer Walters
Daredevil Born Again season 1 :
Matt and Karen appear to be good friends
Matt cuts Karen from his life, after Foggy's death, leading Karen to leave for San Francisco
Matt starts dating Heather for a whole year, without trying to reach out for Karen
Matt makes a lapsus and calls Heather, Karen, while being half drugged at the hospital
Karen comes back from SF when learning Fisk wants to kill Matt and she calls Frank for help, implying Karen and Frank have been in contact this whole time
Frank makes himself pretty for Karen (never be not funny lmao)
Matt hears Frank and Karen heartbeats, and confirms they are both in love
Karen refuses Frank's coffee meaning she's still mad at him for rejecting her (in Punisher s2)
Frank, despite refusing to join Matt's war, still goes against Fisk army when he hears on the radio that Karen is in danger. He gets arrested and put in a cage (where he manages to escape)
Karen joins Matt's army to defeat Fisk
Notice that in this whole list, only 2 sentences are about Matt and Karen as a couple, the rest is mainly about Matt and his girlfriendS or Karen and Frank.
Also Matt and Karen have been a couple for only 2 episodes out of 48 (from DD s1 to DDBA s1), meaning they spent most of the series being either friends, ignoring each other or playing dead.
So imagine the confusion of many when the first episode of BA season 2 starts with Karen and Matt being a couple, when nothing predisposed that situation? As if nothing ever happened between them, as if Matt wasn't aware of Karen being in love with Frank; as if Matt did properly broke up with Heather?
I knew they would be a couple, or close to be one during this season, but i expected to see this relationship being developed in front of my eyes - I expected them to have a proper conversation, to address all those elephants in the room (Between Elektra, Heather, Foggy, Frank, their view of the world, her killing someone etc), to have some tension, SOMETHING that could have partially convinced me that maybe they could work? (even if my eyes would have bled immensingly)
Instead the writters got the bright idea to do that off screen and shove their relation into our throat.
Why?
We have been warned by Charlie Cox tho, during one of his interviews, he said that Karen and Matt got closer during this times of war, since they spent their days hiding... and dear God he wasn't lying because IT SHOWS.
It really looks like they end up together because they don't have other choices around?
Their kiss scenes are so bland and they lack so much of chemistry, even the fog surrounding them is more consistent than what they are trying to serve us.
I also know Karen is going to confront Matt about Fisk's fate and that she is tired of letting him roam around free, despite the fact that Matt put him in jail, not once but twice already and that he wants to do it a third time LMAO
I'm also quite sure, considering the state of the writting that it won't be a deal breaker and that they'll make it magically work- Which is concerning really.
What is more concerning is Charlie Cox forcing way too much the idea of Karen being the love of Matt's life, and that Elektra is too crazy.
I'd have understand that statement if the series followed the comics perfectly, but THATS NOT THE CASE AT ALL ?
Karen hasn't the same weight in Matt's life, than she had in the comics.
Elektra took that place.
Matt could do ANYTHING for Elektra, when it's not the case at all for Karen.
Also, Comics Karen and MCU Karen are completely differents.
It's like saying a recipe is the best you ever ate because it's noted 5 stars on that cooking website, but in reality your plate is awful because half of your kitchen burned during the process.
Charlie can scream all he wants that Karen is the woman of Matt's life, it's impossible to believe it because it is not demonstrated at all in the show, and it's painful to witness.
IF i have to finish that post on a bright note, i'd say:
The advantages of seeing Matt and Karen in the middle of that "romantic" relationship, is that there is a great chance we will see its dawnfall (for good this time, please, for the love of Marvel!)
Why?
First:
If the writers are not shitty at some point they'll realise it doesn't work at all.
Second:
Matt is a fucking WHORE, in the comics but in the series as well: Claire, Karen, Elektra, Jennifer, Heather - And soon to be Kirsten and so much more
Even is Charlie Cox is trying to maintain that delulu about Karen, he's still talking about his character romancing other women:
He litteraly said that he wishes to romance Black Widow next, while season 2 wasn't even out yet.
Dude isn't even letting KD fans enjoy the ship, he is already yeeting Karen into oblivion.
I had my doubts last year, but it looks like Elektra is about to come back: either in Spider Man Brand New Day (we can see The Hand in the trailer) or in Daredevil Born Again season 3.
As for Kastle, we still have the special to hold on to:
Jon Bernthal told to a Kastlers to wait for it, while giggling like a fanboy!
His stuntman did a video on instagram praising Deborah Ann Woll but deleted half of it before publishing it, saying it was too spoilery.
We still see some comunity manager (Canada to be exact) talking about Frank and Karen (for engagements) meaning they are AWARE of Kastle popularity.
So much popular, i have never seen the Kastlers being that much active on twitter despite the absence of Frank.
People are really starting to get tired of Karen and Matt, and not only Kastlers but also those who love Elektra etc
I really hope that gaslight will come to an end very soon.
Let's wait that special before screaming.
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First base is kissing him, second base is trying to magically bound your souls together to save his life and third base is getting his species unbaned from your school so you can be classmates
Someone on hispanic weyler tik tok just pointed out how with Laurel nothing stopped him from trying to kill her and it took 10 min of the shock collar at full power to subdue him with his dad but with Wednesday it always worked immediately. HE was controlling himself 🤧 HE DIDNT WANT TO HURT HER. Even with all the insults. I mean WE KNOW THIS but it's just further proof.
"But Tyler only threw her out the window when he could have killed her!!" It's Wednesday's fucking show. There wouldn't be much of a show if she just died..
Tyler only threw her out a window while he had JUST killed his master and was a Hyde and out of his mind. As a Hyde it has been confirmed, things are hazy and it's basically just rage taking over. Again, he had JUST killed his master.
Let's put our thinking caps on:
if he wanted to kill her, he would've done it while she was in a coma or when they met at the church after "threatening her", aka when he was BEGGING the nightshades NOT to make him turn. Why? Because he knew he would LOSE CONTROL, which leaves us with the conclusion that he didn't actually want to kill Wednesday nor Enid. Because otherwise why would he be against turning?? Even Wednesday knew they would have to force him to turn... why? Because she knew Tyler didn't actually want to kill her. (Which was made completely clear after her talk with Capri when she confirmed that the only reason Tyler tried to kill her was because of his master)
Then, thanks to Wednesday saying the right things he was able to take some of the control of the Hyde even when it's very hard for him to. He wanted her to be his master, he wanted to be with her. The other time he was able to take control was after Wednesday freed him. She's the only one who can get through to the hyde.
Remember, characters LIE. To US, to THEMSELVES. You gotta see the context of things and the bigger picture. You can't just take everything they say or even do at face value.
"Tyler likes to kill HE SAID IT HIMSELF". Ok... who has he killed outside of his orders? WHO? His master who tortured him and forced him to use his hyde to be a monster? The guy the other torturer hired to KILL HIM? Who else? No one. NO ONE. He had 2 weeks to go around killing people if he really wanted to before he got a new master... and nothing. Does he like inflicting pain on those he hates? Yes. You know who else does? WEDNESDAY.
Wednesday is also NOT a reliable narrator. Weems told us that when she said "YOU HAVE FEELINGS FOR HIM" and then explained how Wednesday was bottling everything up.
So you didn't read ANYTHING I said. I didn't even say "this is why she didn't die when she fell" I said "this is why he pushed her" and didn't gut her instead basically. Because they could've made it so he gut her AND pushed her out the window but she survived. When hyde's tried to kill they do it with their claws.
"But Tyler only threw her out the window when he could have killed her!!" It's Wednesday's fucking show. There wouldn't be much of a show if she just died..
Tyler only threw her out a window while he had JUST killed his master and was a Hyde and out of his mind. As a Hyde it has been confirmed, things are hazy and it's basically just rage taking over. Again, he had JUST killed his master.
Let's put our thinking caps on:
if he wanted to kill her, he would've done it while she was in a coma or when they met at the church after "threatening her", aka when he was BEGGING the nightshades NOT to make him turn. Why? Because he knew he would LOSE CONTROL, which leaves us with the conclusion that he didn't actually want to kill Wednesday nor Enid. Because otherwise why would he be against turning?? Even Wednesday knew they would have to force him to turn... why? Because she knew Tyler didn't actually want to kill her. (Which was made completely clear after her talk with Capri when she confirmed that the only reason Tyler tried to kill her was because of his master)
Then, thanks to Wednesday saying the right things he was able to take some of the control of the Hyde even when it's very hard for him to. He wanted her to be his master, he wanted to be with her. The other time he was able to take control was after Wednesday freed him. She's the only one who can get through to the hyde.
Remember, characters LIE. To US, to THEMSELVES. You gotta see the context of things and the bigger picture. You can't just take everything they say or even do at face value.
"Tyler likes to kill HE SAID IT HIMSELF". Ok... who has he killed outside of his orders? WHO? His master who tortured him and forced him to use his hyde to be a monster? The guy the other torturer hired to KILL HIM? Who else? No one. NO ONE. He had 2 weeks to go around killing people if he really wanted to before he got a new master... and nothing. Does he like inflicting pain on those he hates? Yes. You know who else does? WEDNESDAY.
Wednesday is also NOT a reliable narrator. Weems told us that when she said "YOU HAVE FEELINGS FOR HIM" and then explained how Wednesday was bottling everything up.
I honestly don't think Tyler needs to be redeemed.
To quote Adam Driver "what does he need to be redeemed for?" Like at all. We haven't even met a not mind controlled or mentally impaired Tyler. I don't blame him for his actions. And I don't mind him being a little dark and killing when necessary. Wednesday wouldn't mind either 🫣
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"Tyler Galpin is coming I NEED TO LEARN EVERYTHING I CAN ABOUT HYDES"
AND YET her ONLY QUESTION WAS:
"if you were in love why did he try to kill you 🥺🥺" oh my poor girl
And once it was confirmed for her that it was only because he was forced to, she decided to bind him to her FOREVER so they could be together and no one could be able to turn him against her.
And then IMMEDIATELY HIS NEW MASTER TRIED TO TURN HIM AGAINST HER. Exactly what she feared 🤧
"Tyler Galpin is coming I NEED TO LEARN EVERYTHING I CAN ABOUT HYDES"
AND YET her ONLY QUESTION WAS:
"if you were in love why did he try to kill you 🥺🥺" oh my poor girl
And once it was confirmed for her that it was only because he was forced to, she decided to bind him to her FOREVER so they could be together and no one could be able to turn him against her.
And then IMMEDIATELY HIS NEW MASTER TRIED TO TURN HIM AGAINST HER. Exactly what she feared 🤧
why was mr unhinged monster psychopath holding wednesdays face and stroking her cheek after they kissed, and why was ms torture pain darkness smiling up at him like he hung the moon?
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Damn OUAT season 4 really retcons EVERYTHING. Specially Robin Hood's storyline. He said he started robbing from the rich because he robbed Marian's and realized it was wrong because she was poor and I think begged him and that's how they fell in love, but then they say it was after he met rumplestilskin and tried to steal something from Zelena for him BUT then they forget that he stole from rumplestilskin his wand to save Marian when she was pregnant.
Made Snow and charming entirely OOC with the lying and HARMING MALEFICENT'S BABY. And I haven't finished my season 4 rewatch but now I remember why normally I stop my rewatch here.
AND made Zelena r*pe him. But I guess that's not a big deal given Regina did that to Graham a lot like it was no big deal.
They also retcon Maleficent's and aurora's story or at least change their timeline because she puts Aurora to sleep before Regina is the evil queen in season 4 BUT snow was running from Regina for definitely a lot longer than just a few what? Weeks? To make sense of this new timeline? But it doesn't make sense anyway because in this new timeline Aurora would've been asleep while Regina was at the beginning of her training with rumple then after she finished the training, killed the king, Snow escaped, met charming, kept running away, won the war against the queen, got married, and her whole pregnancy..... THAT WAS NOT JUST A YEAR.
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