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Problematic because: "Shes one of the more sympathetic people connected to the Usher family, and nothing she does comes close to justifying what happens to her. But sheâs still married into the Fortunato fortune, living off a family empire built on mass suffering. She sneaks out to attend an illegal, anonymous sex party hosted by her husbandâs much younger brother, hides who she is, takes off her wedding ring, and is clearly tempted by him even though sheâs married. Again, thatâs not remotely comparable to the violence done to her afterward, but it is a bad decision and a betrayal."
Propaganda: "She married into this horrible billionaire family, and I donât think you can completely separate her from the comfort and status that came with that. Sheâs living in the house built by Fortunato money. Sheâs raising Lenore inside that world. Sheâs also clearly unhappy with Frederick in that quiet, suffocating way where you can see how Perryâs attention gets under her skin. Her going to the party is selfish and reckless, but itâs also painfully human. She wants to feel wanted. She wants out of being Frederickâs wife for one night, or at least wants to pretend she can step outside it. Then the punishment is so grotesquely disproportionate that it makes the whole âwas she wrong?â question feel tiny next to what Frederick does to her after. I like that she gets to survive and rebuild instead of just being a cautionary tale. Sheâs a messy victim, which is more interesting than making her either saintly or secretly awful. She makes one very bad call, suffers horribly for reasons that have more to do with the Usher curse and Frederickâs cruelty than justice, and then ends up doing more good with the familyâs money than the actual Ushers ever did."
vs. Johan Liebert (Monster)
Problematic because: "serial killer, also mentally breaks/tortures/manipulates people a lot"
Propaganda: "one of the villains of all time. ultimately doesn't have that much direct page time and yet he's so memorable and his presence is so constantly felt"
Who should advance?
Morella Usher
Johan Liebert
Voting ended onJul 6
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Skyler White (Breaking Bad) vs. Padme Amidala (Star Wars)
Skyler White
Padme Amidala
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Skyler White:
she âgot in the wayâ of Walt doing murders, cooking, meth, and didnât respect he was doing all these crimes and emotionally and physically abusing her for the âgood of the familyâ. Essentially called her an evil bitch for not wanting to be exposed to danger and thinking her husband is a bad person because he couldnât swallow his pride and take the cushy job his successful friend offered in order to pay for his cancer treatment and instead decided to cook meth and kill people. Oh and she cheated with an old flame (again because of Waltâs crime and abuse) but thatâs worse I guess.
Sheâs literally just a normal woman who reacts to things the way a normal woman would and people lost their fucking minds about it. Hell she even helped Walt launder the money with a car wash like she set that shit all up herself and he and the fans still hated her.
obvious choice but skyler is ROUTINELY called the worst character in breaking bad and has been since like 2008. any conflict in the show and there will be people insisting she has some fault just because she "is annoying". also an eternal victim of "i don't like her because she reminds me of my mom"
breaking bad is the most fun show ever if you learn to love skyler white. her immediate suspicion of walter and constant attempts to support her family both with and against him are vindicating. she's smart, much more business savvy than him and a better liar. constantly looked down upon in-universe but explicitly uses it to her advantage at every step. she is awesome
Walter white is the worst human being in the entire show and everyone was like âsheâs awful for trying to get him to stop manufacturing drugs.â Letâs not even mention the fact that he almost rapes her in the first season while sheâs like eight months pregnant and no one ever talks about it ever.
Sheâs actually pretty cool and has the best line that no one ever quotes: âsomeone has to protect this family from the man who protects this family.â
She's one of THE poster children for fandom misogyny victims. People reduced her to being Walt's bitch wife as if she wasn't a) 100% in the right in every argument against him b) better at doing crime than him to an extent that's straight up hysterically funny.
As I said, she's actually really really good at doing crime and there's something inherently very entertaining about watching this completely normal housewife/office worker turning out to be really good at money laundering and negotiating with criminals and coming up with cover stories. She has a failed writing career that she appears to be using coming up with cover stories for her husband's meth dealing as an outlet for, which is also really funny. She literally writes a script for him to use. There's also a really hilarious scene where the show cuts to Skyler on the wikipedia page for "money laundering" that made me laugh really hard. We love a wikipedia warrior.
The fandom blames her for all the problems that her husband Walter faces and calls her the worst character despite there being literal nazis and cartel members in the show. They also call her a slut, bitch, etc, even though the things she's done are not even comparable to the horrific actions that the male characters do.
She is smart as hell and strong asf for putting up with Walter's bullshit. Amazing at thinking on her feet. Isn't given enough credit for her intelligence and strength
Famously called a bitch by many brba fans for simply not being cool with her husband cooking meth and killing people
Where to even start⊠According to fandom, cheating on the husband who refuses to divorce you is magnitudes worse than murder and running a drug empire. Every criticism of Skyler I see boils down to the "nagging housewife" trope. She's not perfectly subservient so she must be evil and terrible. And yet Walt is cool and suave⊠okayyyyyâŠ
Skyler is literally a human being who reacts perfectly rationally to the situation she finds herself unwillingly facing. That old man should have died in the car wash.
Maybe the most famous victim of fandom misogyny ever. Fandom acts like she was worse than Walt because she didn't want him to make meth.
Skyler wanted what was best for her family. Unlike Walt, she truly broke bad for her family. She made tough choices, not always good ones, but she was an abuse victim in a very unusual position. She is also great at lying and schemes.
Padme Amidala:
Her agency keeps getting taken away so that she is either a perfect angel who never did anything wrong ever and probably got mind-controlled into making bad choices, or she's an abusive racist groomer, and there's zero in-between. And that's if people acknowledge her in any real way or not, especially since canon likes to ignore her as much as possible.
Padme is such a compelling and relatable character, she wants so badly to help people and is GOOD at helping people, but she's basically a gifted kid who got caught up in the system and now has no idea how to ask for what she wants in a healthy way and is such a people pleaser that she has no idea how to say no when anyone asks her for anything. But she's also so desperate for something of her own that she starts an incredibly toxic secret relationship with a guy she knows is bad news and then is shocked when it goes badly. She covers for him more than once when he murders people because she wants to badly to believe in the fantasy that her love can fix him. She's not a GREAT person, but she's struggling through so many of the same things a lot of girls and women struggle with these days, and I wish she was allowed to actually have that nuance acknowledged even once.
Helen of Troy (Greek Mythology) vs. Talia Al-Ghul (DC Comics)
Helen of Troy
Talia Al-Ghul
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Helen of Troy:
many people blame her for so much shit she was Not responsible for. the trojan war was not her fucking fault people!!! also multiple translators have made her call herself a slut or a bitch even though she never refers to herself that way in the ancient greek text :/
give my girl a fucking break!!!! please!!!
COSMIC PUNCHLINE TO EVERY JOKE IN LITERATURE ABOTU HOW WOMEN ARE EVIL. AND WHAT IS LITERATURE IF NOT ILIAD FANDOM. ALL LITERATURE
SHE MAYBE DID ALL THAT BUT I LOIVE HER ANYWAY
Talia Al-Ghul:
Consistently sidelined, drawn in a predatory way, and dismissed by the fans for being a rapist bc of one racist writing arc
Talia is the ultra competent heir apparent to a globalist death cult!!!! Sheâs endlessly fascinating!! Let her live!!
Martha Jones (Doctor Who) vs. Regine Hunter (Living Single)
Martha Jones
Regine Hunter
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Martha Jones:
She was the first main Black companion on Doctor WhoâŠI'll just talk about the fandom racism/misogyny itself and not the racism/misogyny in the show itself. She was subject to overt and subtle misogynoir from the fandom, especially since she came after white fan-favorite companion Rose Tyler. People disliked her for having a crush on the Doctor, which Rose also had, and was unfavorably compared to Rose. There's a lot more, but I don't want to write a whole essay.
She's a medical student, and incredibly smart and capable! In her stories, she's incredibly compassionate to those around her, and offers emotional as well as medical assistance. Also, she has incredible style!
Martha gets absolutely shafted by the fandom, most of whom cannot seem to forgive her for not being Rose Tyler. That she dares to leave the Doctor and live her own life is apparently an act more evil than any the Daleks could dream of. A lot of fans insist that Martha's race has nothing to do with why they dislike her. A lot of fans are fucking liars.
Martha is competent and intelligent and screams way less than usual for a companion so she is clearly excellent.
I think fandoms been very racist and misogynistic towards her, relagating her as some spineless woman always pining after the doctor instead of a badass MD who saved the day many times
Not only misogyny but racism too. Martha is an incredibly smart and brave character who doesnât get half the credit that the Doctorâs other (WHITE) companions get. She gets dogged on by the fandom for a lot of reasons that are overlooked or forgiven when Rose Tyler does a lot of the same things.
She was the only RTD companion who wasnât given superpowers in order to save the day. Girl saved the world with nothing but gumption and a good pair of walking boots.
Regine Hunter:
Idk if this is too old school for most of tumblr but in the 90s while the show was airing people HATED her for being "shallow" and caring about how she looked. Like tv critics lit into her over it.
Hera (Greek Mythology) vs. Silna / Lady Silence (The Terror)
Hera
Silna / Lady Silence
Remaining time: 4 days 5 hours
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Hera:
the mythology is filled with rapists,unrepentant murderers and other incredibly disturbing content but hera is one the very few characters that is always seen as one dimensional even though she can easily be interpreted with much more depth. if hades and hapastus can get the "they could be that deep" treatment, than so is hera
THE problematic fave, walked so amy dunne could run đ hera has always been one of the figures in mythology than intrigued me the most and I am still waiting for a retelling of her as an anti hero that still incorporates her signature traits
everyone always characterizes her as a jealous bitch (usually in tandem with woobifying zeus). itâs literally not her fault that she was tricked and coerced into marrying a serial rapist who holds much more power than her.
like yes. from a modern day perspective, it is pretty misogynistic of hera to punish the women that zeus sleeps with (consensually or not. usually not!!). but âïž she is also stuck in a terrible marriage (smth smth goddess of marriage bound by her own domain) and is hurting those that she has power over because she canât hurt zeus. messy victims my beloved
Silna / Lady Silence:
Sheâs the only female main character and one of the few people of color in this show and she frequently gets ignored and sidelined for the male characters. If she is present in fanworks or discussions sheâs often portrayed as a girl boss who can do no wrong and whoâs responsible for fixing goodsir (the primary male character sheâs shipped with)
Sheâs such a fascinating character, sheâs just a young woman trying to navigate a changing world and a very unfamiliar situation while dealing with grief from her fatherâs death and her responsibility to her culture & people. Sheâs very complex, sometimes afraid and sometimes bold, sometimes open and curious and other times wary and distant, in some ways sheâs the only person who knows whatâs really going on and in other ways she is kept out of the loop intentionally. Sheâs kind and generous but sheâs not above pettiness. She tries and she fails and she keeps going and she accepts consequences. She feels a very similar tension between duty, fear, and survival that all of the other characters also go through. She is definitely not just there for goodsir to be nice to. Narratively she basically represents the thesis of the show, sheâs able to survive and thrive when not having to deal with their bullshit and her life is irreparably changed by the way they interact with the arctic environment. She shows that thereâs a way to live outside of the hierarchy & empire imposed by the British.
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âAll I can give you is my loyalty. And I have a great loyalty for you.â
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âIt's me... It's your []... Don't you know your []?â
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what if I was a [class] (homeless traumatized) and you were a little [species] (homeless traumatized) and we both had our secrets and lost our families and put each other back together and became everything to each other. what if I trusted nobody and was constantly thinking of cutting and running but I was loyal to you. What if I found out you were married before we met and it turned everything I thought I knew about you on its head when you knew everything about me. What if I used my hands to shape a new (old) body for you and restored you to the person you used to be. What if you were my very best friend in the whole world and also my student and my guardian and my partner in crime and and and. Sorry just found out [creator involved with A] once wrote "it's doubtful that kind of love is in the cards for A at this point. But what he can still manage is loyalty" Come On. Come on . This isnt even going into everything more deeply from her perspective they make me sick
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Said by A after B threatens to kill him because B's going crazy because of plot reasons. A's words manage to snap B out of his trance (which is caused by a VERY STRONG magical curse btw).
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âI've crawled back from the depths of hell all so I can kill you.â
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"Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?"
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A made B promise to kill him after the battle if he ever wasn't himself, but B got very hurt and ended meeting death. When B finally wakes up, he says this to A. He defied death and came back to life just to keep his promise to A.Â
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My toxic codependent duoâŠ
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there's so many good quotes for these two but this one just gets me. (trying to be spoiler-free here bear with me) she basically just stole his access to time and space and tries to use it as leverage to get him to do something. which by the way she only does that because he said it's impossible. then AFTER SHE'S BETRAYED HIM he tries to do the impossible thing anyway for her. and says this. god i can't stand them
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I know what itâs from and I am vehemently against viewing that pairing as romantic and yet I still voted for it bc thereâs no denying thats one of the most romantic quotes of all timeÂ
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