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- Marco, Book #30: The Reunion, pg. 13 (by K.A. Applegate)

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ok maybe I'm dumb but why didn't elfangor just morph a khafit bird and zoom away from his crash scene?
Doylistically (out of universe): The mentor who dies passing along his power is a classic SF trope, and Animorphs does a classic job of both playing that trope straight and subverting it. Elfangor becomes the emotional motivation for the team, because now they can't not fight the war — he literally died to give them a chance to save humanity. Given how much the series is baked on the idea of kids having no guidance at all when tasked with saving the world, he cannot stick around to mentor them. He has to die.
It's also not clear that Applegate et al. committed to the idea of morph-healing before #4, because it doesn't come up until then, and the rules of morphing are pretty fuzzy in that first book.
Watsonian (in-universe): Various explanations include:
When the Ellimist re-andalite-ified Elfangor, he never gave his morphing power back (X)
Elfangor has to let Visser Three kill him, or else Visser Three will tear the planet apart looking for him (X)
Elfangor lets Visser Three kill him in order to give the kids a chance to get away (X)
Elfangor is injured with some kind of weapon or radiation poisoning that causes an injury morphing can't heal
Andalites aren't aware that morphing can heal injuries to one's base form (X)
He just sucks at morphing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Another in-universe explanation is there was just too much stress. Not just psychological, but physical. Demorphing from lethal injuries is ezpz, but we never see anyone try to morph away lethal injuries the other direction. And we know morphing requires concentration. Maybe the stabbing pain from his injuries was enough to prevent him from concentrating enough?
However, the fact Elfangor is able to do everything else he does before he dies implies all of those things take less concentration than morphing, which would be weird. My theory might need some work.
My personal theory is that Elfangor needed to die to fulfil a deal.
There are a couple of questions about Elfangor that are never directly answered in animorphs. Firstly, after the time matrix shenanigans, why does the Ellimist sit around on his hands and let Elfangor live on Earth long enough to get Loren pregnant, then pull him away before he can meet his kid but be sure to let him know he'll have one? Weird timing. It would make sense if he needed Tobias for some strategic reason in the future (Marco's relationship to his mother becomes very strategically relevant, for example), but aside from possibly helping with Tobias' bond with Ax, this never comes up. If anything, it just puts them in more danger when Elfangor goes looking for him. There's no reason for the Ellimist to go out of his way to make sure that Elfangor has an Earth kid. (It's *possible* that the Ellimist left Elfangor there because he wanted Elfangor to help humans build computers, which he did, but that doesn't explain the incredibly specific timing of the retrieval.)
Second, why the fuck is he carrying an escafil device around on his little ship? That makes ZERO sense. This is a device that you only need to expose someone to once, it has no combat use. And andalites are forbidden from sharing technology, so it's not like they're taking these things to other planets to grant other species morphing powers in the field. The only thing that taking this cube to Earth does is risk it being picked up by the yeerks. There's simply no reason for it to be on his ship.
Unless he knew he'd need it.
Tobias is bait. Tobias being in danger, doomed to infestation along with the rest of his world, is the Ellimist's leverage to convince Elfangor to do what he needs him to do -- bring this tech to Earth and give his son (and friends) the means to fight back. And the price of this, probably demanded by Crayak, is the clever wildcard of a war hero's life.
My theory is that Elfangor never tried to flee because he knew he wouldn't make it anyway. Best to die at Visser Three's teeth, so that the yeerks had no reason to keep searching the area for him. He'd hoped that the kids could get away without being noticed, so why give the yeerks more reasons to look around and find them, or find the escafil device? If he's dying that night anyway, best to do it maximising Earth's chances for success.
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#amazing theories all around. i think the one i've adopted at the moment is that elfangor can't morph anymore#animorphs#ellimist or no ellimist i can fully believe that elfangor came here intending to find loren#(and tobias if he's born in this timeline. you can never be too sure around the ellimist)#and brought the (very much stolen) escafil device specifically for her/them
Animorphs #24: The Suspicion thoughts (pt. 1):
This book earns its reputation for being silly and inconsequential, yes. But BOY HOWDY does the series need a light book as of #24. The series-altering gut punch of the David Trilogy, then the hork-bajir crisis in #23, are just behind us. The epic kids-vs-gods plot of #26 and #27 is coming up. Hork-Bajir Chronicles is just behind, and Megamorphs 3 ahead. Comic relief is meant to be a literal term — when done well, it gives the audience a chance to let out a breath and relax their shoulders before the tension starts ramping back up.
Interesting that Cassie lists humans' attractive qualities (to yeerks) as "Humans, with fingers more delicate and capable than any taxxon or hork-bajir or gedd. Humans, who could be fed almost anything... Humans, who exist in numbers far greater than all those species combined. We are the perfect host bodies." (p. 3).
Also: I love how the helmacrons serve as a sort of character checkpoint. The kids are so casual about a second alien invasion because they've gotten so good at fighting the first. Arguably the helmacrons are a serious threat to Earth — their shrinking ray could in theory do a lot of damage to a lot of humans, and they know the Animorphs' identities — but the Animorphs themselves are jaded enough to respond with a collective eye-roll rather than fear.
Rachel with the makeshift weapons! Morphing is for Tobias and the others; she has a baseball bat, and a brick, and another brick, and two perfectly good fists. Also, Jake shamelessly cowering behind Rachel and her brick supply. Hard same.
"Tobias turned, but he was shrinking fast. He was already down to about hummingbird size... «Well, this is unfortunate,» he said" (p. 40). Most Tobias response ever. Shout-out to Sisi Aisha Johnson for her bone-dry delivery on this line.
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Was thinking about Tobias being trapped in Morph in the first book again, and how that weirdly bolsters Jake's leadership; the Animorphs have a very early example of how bad things can go when someone Doesn't listen to him. They'd both probably be horrified to think of it that way I assume.
The Invasion is such an excellent one-two-three punch of an opening that I've never seen it topped in series fiction. Animorphs tells you EXACTLY what you're getting into with the first book.
We get about 3 pages of our heroes having wonder and joy at aliens being real before #1 hits us with the graphic onscreen death-by-cannibalism of this kind, caring stranger. And if Jake being chased by 7-foot blade monsters wasn't scary enough, he only escapes because a human bystander dies in his place.
So Jake goes home. To his nuclear suburban family, and his piddly sports problems, and his nice morph-training sequence with his friends. And just kidding there's a yeerk living inside your home already and it knows where you sleep. But that's fine, we'll just tell an adul — oh shit the cops are controllers the reporters are controllers the camp counselors are controllers the vice principal's a controller Elfangor really fucking undersold this problem.
So it's up to them, they guess. And Marco might be scared of dying, and Cassie might be reluctant to fight, but Tobias seems 100% confident they can save the world! So they go. And they don't save Tom, and they get people killed, and they do nothing to hurt Visser Three. And they don't even all make it home at the end of the day. Because it turns out Animorphs is not only a series where supporting characters die; it's a series where the main characters get permanently injured and will never be the same again.
Welcome to the war, kids.
I also don't know if there's a term for the trope, but. Horror pretty much always has a beat where a main character dies or gets permanently harmed really early on, because a) it tells the audience that this is a story where anyone can die, and b) it tells the protagonists they're in a setting where anyone can die.
Like [SPOILERS FOR VARIOUS HORROR MOVIES] Kane in Alien, Johnny in Night of the Living Dead, Dan in Frozen, Jonathan in Dracula, Hutch in The Ritual, Jason in Cloverfield, Mathias in The Ruins, Mary in Sinners, or Frank in 28 Days Later. [END SPOILERS]
Those characters all exist to be not just supporting cast members but people we know, people we like... who then encounter terrible fates that make the stakes of the rest of the story all too real. Each of them gets a moment that shifts the story from being adventurous (Alien, Cloverfield), family-oriented (Sinners, Night of the Living Dead), or "scary but we're handling it" (The Ritual, Dracula) to HOLY HELL WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE at the moment the eldritch forces eat them alive. They make clear this is a space where damage is permanent, where death is real and Captain America's not gonna popping back up 6 issues later good as new, and where anyone can die.
Again, I don't know if there's a term for that trope. But there's clearly a deliberate choice to have Tobias end up permanently, for-real, trapped in another body in the very first book in the series. Because it tells the reader, and more importantly it tells the characters, exactly what's at stake here.
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I had to do a little bit of digging around but I think the relevant tropes are: "The Worf Effect" when a strong/known character is defeated to show an enemy's strength, and "Sacrifical Lion", an important character killed to show an enemy's strength or that shot just got Real.
Ahhh thank you! So it seems like Tobias fits the Worf Effect, and Rachel is more the Sacrificial Lion at the end of the series.
This may be me interpreting Worf Effect much more strictly than is necessary, but imo an important part of the Worf Effect is the fact that it comes from serial TV. Worf is a Klingon character from Star Trek: The Next Generation - he's an established Strong Guy on the protagonists' crew. Him getting defeated by a new antagonist is a form of setting the stakes and establishing the level of threat the protagonists are under, but he has also been positioned as this archetypal role in a way that I don't think Tobias fits. The team hasn't really been fully established into their roles by the time that he gets trapped in morph. A more apt example would be Rachel getting beaten in a fight by a given novel's antagonist, because she's been established by the series as the Team Tough. There is a status quo power level that has been disrupted by a new threat, and this is different to me from what's essentially a series-wide standard being set in the first book/episode
Good point. Like, the Ants Are Terrifying thing in #11 would be Worf Effect, because Rachel fearlessly charges off to face down a squadron of hork-bajir-controllers alone, but she's so visibly shaken up by being nearly eaten by ants in the aftermath that Jake wants to cry just from looking at her. Ants can defeat Rachel in ways that taxxons and dinosaurs and hork-bajir and jaguars cannot, therefore ants are the scariest critter the Animorphs encounter.
The, like, Stakes-Establishing Sacrifice is less about that than about giving us (and the characters) a set of expectations for the story. Like @mellkellyismyhero said about It and then Welcome to Derry opening on the murder of kids who were main characters, to make immediately clear that this is a story where kids can die. Tobias is closer to Georgie Denbrough than Worf, notable less for his toughness than for his naïveté. By #23 Tobias has become the team tough guy, but in #1 he gets described as "dreamy... thoughtful," "sweet," and a "bully magnet," and his role in #1 is to present fighting the war as a moral use of these cool powers that will make the kids into superheroes.
Is Marco an anti-hero? I’m not really sure what the term means.
I'll argue: No, Marco isn't an antihero. But he wants us to see him as one.
My understanding from my half-remembered BA in English is that the antihero is:
The protagonist
Someone who thinks they're at least somewhat in the right at the time the story takes place
Someone the audience is meant to think is wrong (or disagree with)
The Ur-example IIRC is Pip from Great Expectations — if you don't spend much of the story cringing at what a classist pig he's becoming, read another book. Wikipedia lists Dexter Morgan, Walter White, and Annaliese Keating as recent examples.
Obviously Marco's a co-protagonist of Animorphs, and if his ethics don't make you at least a little uncomfortable sometimes then you are not the kind of person I want to be around. But he rarely ever thinks he's in the right when he's doing something morally sketchy. If anything he's too hard on himself in places where he's been put in an impossible position. Not only that, but he puts a ton of effort into trying to do the right thing, even when it's hard. He just wants the reader to think it comes easy for him.
Like, when he says "call me Mr. Ruthless" in #25, he's sad about the baby seals whose dead mom he's eating, because he has no other food source. Cassie and Tobias (the team softies) both set aside this concern as "we gotta eat" + "at least the baby seals will feed a baby orca." Marco tries to turn that empathy off, but thinks of his own dead mom the whole time. Or his speech about ruthlessness being "the bright, clear line... that goes from motive to means... not caring about anything but the beautiful fact that you can see the solution" (#30). People quote that passage out of context, but the context is all-important: he's crying himself to sleep with the knowledge he must kill his mom to save a bunch of strangers. He loves Eva infinitely more than he cares for Jara and the other hork-bajir, but he selflessly chooses to stop Visser One anyway. That "ruthless" decision? Is to sacrifice his own family to save Toby's, because he knows it's what his mom would want even though it's the last thing he wants.
So most of Marco's "ruthless" "cold" "expedient" decisions really come down to shutting down his emotions in order to put others' needs ahead of his own. Doesn't mean he's never mean or selfish — just ask Tobias. Doesn't even make him a good person — look at Nora. But the guy who doesn't care about anyone? That's who Marco wishes he could be. That guy was never an Animorph in the first place, and probably has his mom back to boot. Marco's actual self is the guy who fights the war despite his best intentions, because he's willing to put Jake's love for Tom over his own love for his dad.
"Antihero" has several meanings, and in a literary sense I would argue that all the Animorphs qualify. What unifies the various types of antiheroes is not "they're bad people actually" but "they act as a foil to the traditional hero archetype", and this is not a story where the traditional hero archetype can survive. They all find themselves falling short in one way or another, and it could never have been otherwise.
Yes, that's part of why I consulted Wikipedia, because "antihero" is an ever-shifting target. I understand the use of "anti-hero" as in "any protagonist who isn't a hero." But that feels too broad to me when we're talking about contemporary fiction, because then ~98% of today's protagonists would qualify as anti-heroes.
Like, in the 1800s when the term was first coined, you did have a ton of protagonists like Jean Valjean (Les Misérables), Amy Dorrit (Little Dorrit), Jim Hawkins (Treasure Island), Jane Eyre (ibid), Heidi (ibid), the narrator (War of the Worlds), Pollyanna (ibid), who are meant to be these paragons of virtue, modeling kind and right behavior for the reader. But these days "Pollyanna" is an insult, Jim Hawkins has been overshadowed by Long John Silver, Amy Dorrit sells 1% of the novels that Pip Pirrip does, and characters who are as virtuous as Valjean or uncomplaning as Jane get lambasted as "Mary Sue."
If we keep the definition of antihero as broad as "protagonist who has clear moral failings," then all the Animorphs qualify and so does every protagonist from Marvel, DC, Star Wars, LotR, AtLA, and just about every 20th or 21st century media property. But if we narrow it down, I do think there's a meaningful distinction to be made between stories like Our Flag Means Death vs. Interview with the Vampire. In OMFD, the protagonists might all be murderers but the story strives to get the audience to care about and root for them anyway. In IWTV, the protagonists are not just murderers but selfish and sadistic in ways meant to discomfit the audience. I would argue that drawing the "antihero" line between OFMD (story roots for the protagonists) and IWTV (story roots against the protagonists) is more interesting for contemporary fiction. Because now we can discuss subtle differences between Stargate Atlantis vs. Starship Troopers, between Hurt Locker vs. Jarheads, that otherwise would get lumped in together.

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Was thinking about Tobias being trapped in Morph in the first book again, and how that weirdly bolsters Jake's leadership; the Animorphs have a very early example of how bad things can go when someone Doesn't listen to him. They'd both probably be horrified to think of it that way I assume.
The Invasion is such an excellent one-two-three punch of an opening that I've never seen it topped in series fiction. Animorphs tells you EXACTLY what you're getting into with the first book.
We get about 3 pages of our heroes having wonder and joy at aliens being real before #1 hits us with the graphic onscreen death-by-cannibalism of this kind, caring stranger. And if Jake being chased by 7-foot blade monsters wasn't scary enough, he only escapes because a human bystander dies in his place.
So Jake goes home. To his nuclear suburban family, and his piddly sports problems, and his nice morph-training sequence with his friends. And just kidding there's a yeerk living inside your home already and it knows where you sleep. But that's fine, we'll just tell an adul — oh shit the cops are controllers the reporters are controllers the camp counselors are controllers the vice principal's a controller Elfangor really fucking undersold this problem.
So it's up to them, they guess. And Marco might be scared of dying, and Cassie might be reluctant to fight, but Tobias seems 100% confident they can save the world! So they go. And they don't save Tom, and they get people killed, and they do nothing to hurt Visser Three. And they don't even all make it home at the end of the day. Because it turns out Animorphs is not only a series where supporting characters die; it's a series where the main characters get permanently injured and will never be the same again.
Welcome to the war, kids.
I also don't know if there's a term for the trope, but. Horror pretty much always has a beat where a main character dies or gets permanently harmed really early on, because a) it tells the audience that this is a story where anyone can die, and b) it tells the protagonists they're in a setting where anyone can die.
Like [SPOILERS FOR VARIOUS HORROR MOVIES] Kane in Alien, Johnny in Night of the Living Dead, Dan in Frozen, Jonathan in Dracula, Hutch in The Ritual, Jason in Cloverfield, Mathias in The Ruins, Mary in Sinners, or Frank in 28 Days Later. [END SPOILERS]
Those characters all exist to be not just supporting cast members but people we know, people we like... who then encounter terrible fates that make the stakes of the rest of the story all too real. Each of them gets a moment that shifts the story from being adventurous (Alien, Cloverfield), family-oriented (Sinners, Night of the Living Dead), or "scary but we're handling it" (The Ritual, Dracula) to HOLY HELL WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE at the moment the eldritch forces eat them alive. They make clear this is a space where damage is permanent, where death is real and Captain America's not gonna popping back up 6 issues later good as new, and where anyone can die.
Again, I don't know if there's a term for that trope. But there's clearly a deliberate choice to have Tobias end up permanently, for-real, trapped in another body in the very first book in the series. Because it tells the reader, and more importantly it tells the characters, exactly what's at stake here.
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#animorphs#horror#oh oh sacrificial lamb and sacrificial lion depending on the character#on tvtropes
What I'm getting from this is that Tobias is their Sacrificial Lamb (future Break the Cutie) and Rachel is their Sacrificial Lion.
I remember reading some of your Animorphs AU's where David is spared his fate from the books, like the AU where the Animorphs get the chance to do it all over (Peggy Sue AU) and wonder what he'd be like if he got to grow up, rather how it will be for the Animorphs in that particular AU considering that there is a chance they will encounter him as an adult.
I hate to say it, but most of us know a guy already exactly like David would be as an adult. A little broey, a little mean, never quite crossing the line with his behavior in a way that anyone can call out. If he gets a job in a male-dominated hierarchical environment, he ends up excelling — he fits right in! he really knows how to sell himself! — but it's funny how he can never get anyone to collaborate with him twice. If he has a wife, she starts a lot of statements with "he's a great guy, really," and "he's never hit me."
And his boss, his drinking buddies, his CounterStrike team, will be So! Very! Shocked! when he gets arrested or fired or sanctioned at all for shutting his kids out of the house all night or groping a woman who was able to fight back. Because he's Such! A! Nice! Guy! and they had No! Idea!
Of course, the real shock in this case would be that he faced consequences. Because when it was the waitress who asked him to stop joking about following her home, she got called a hysteric and left a $0 tip. When it was Mandy from accounting who reported his dick pics, Mandy got "restructured" right off the org chart on grounds of "not the right fit." And there are 1000 other people out there, who knew they'd be making themselves crazy bitches if they asked him to stop patting them on the leg or to look somewhere else on the train or to please not touch their hair or to not tell that joke again. Those 1000 aren't shocked at all, nor is his wife, nor are his kids, nor is anyone who has ever been in his vicinity with hair or skin or clothes that let him conclude he can act without consequence.
I don't need to imagine David grown up. He lived down the hall from me, he worked in my school's English department. He puts his hand on my arm and leans in too far to tell me that actually, it's been scientifically proven that most reports of sexual harassment are false.
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He's the company golden boy so if he touches your leg while you're standing at the copier and says, "Nice tights" and then says "Oh, I didn't know I got you" when you confront him, you can't report him because the higher ups will believe him or say your skirt was too short and what did you expect? Ok this activated feels for me too
My favorite David fate in any of the AUs was Sarah squashing him between human and flea morph in Controller-Naomi. So fucking good, so fucking horrifying, so fucking *plausible*, and Rachel immediately taking the heat, chef’s kiss. And it just got me wondering and wondering because.. Sarah will grow up. She might not believe it was an alien forever. She might never have believed it.
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The AU in question
What if Animorphs was set in the 1980s?
I've never been — missed them by over 2 years! Does anyone who knows the era have thoughts?
Not a lot changes.
Information gathering gets a bit riskier, because there are far fewer digital resources so the kids need to physically access things like libraries, data centers, and archives to get records and blueprints. Those resource being in a fixed physical location rather than available online thanks to Andalite hacking means its easier for the yeerks to secure them or set traps, but that's not anything the kids haven't overcome before.
The flipside is that the SciFi tech the yeerks brought with them stands out a lot more. They'd be forced to either rely on the more primitive, wired human systems, or risk a simple frequency scan from whatever gadget Ax cobbled together at Radio Shack pin pointing any yeerk controlled facility in town in town by checking for a building that has wireless signals more advanced than radio. Additionally, tutoring the human kids in the techniques to bypass human security systems gets much easier. Most of the Animorphs will end up passable hackers and phone phreakers fairly quickly just because the sophistication of human tech that can make it entirely obtuse to the layman just isn't as dense yet.
if anything the starting gang of animorphs would be larger-- mall arcades peaked in the 80s and started to decline in the 90s, as home videogame consoles got cheaper and more sophisticated. there could have been any number of classmates and more casual friends to the core group that were tagging along for a mall night and then roaming around the abandoned construction site, in the 80s vs the 90s. in the 2000s, it starts getting pretty unlikely, and by 2020 it seems impossible that 13 year olds would be allowed out at night at all, let alone that there would be a mall to hang out at.
Not to add onto this post a full year later, but I’m a little surprised nobody in the comments seems to have brought up the Cold War. I’m no expert, but I think it has great potential to influence the yeerks’ approach to who they infest and on what timeline. The US was investing a ton of money and resources into weapons and defense in the 80s, and I think that would have influenced the yeerks’ calculus at least a little. Not to mention the endgame of the series when the US military becomes involved in the war
There’s also how it might influence the animorphs’ attitudes on war and how they approach certain situations or debate moral questions. I feel like being 13 in the mid-80s and growing up with the fear of nuclear war would be pretty different to growing up in the mid-90s, in an era of relative peacetime in America. I think that’s part of what makes the war the animorphs fight so striking; everyone around them is in the mindset that this is a peaceful time, that the threat is over; all while the animorphs are fighting a war no one else is aware of
@batastrophe7
#I really am no expert on the Cold War but I find it hard to believe that it wouldn’t have an effect#there’s also the fact that when edriss first arrived on earth in Visser it actually was during the 80s#and that’s actually what made her decide to focus the invasion in the US; she saw that that was the biggest military power in the world#but shifting the timeline means edriss first arrives in the 70s maybe Vietnam era?#I’m not sure how that changes the math specifically but I’m sure it does somehow#but all that is waaaaay too granular for this post; I’m aware I’m overthinking it
Have you seen spider man brand new day?
Yes — although to be honest, I found it pretty forgettable. Supergirl tried to do far more with the same premise, and its execution was clumsier but its ambition was greater, and at least it tried to make a meaningful comment about feminism and trauma along the way. Spider-Man Brand New Day felt smoother and yet blander by comparison, and really isn't beating the allegations that the MCU has become optimized to the point of soullessness.
Was thinking about Tobias being trapped in Morph in the first book again, and how that weirdly bolsters Jake's leadership; the Animorphs have a very early example of how bad things can go when someone Doesn't listen to him. They'd both probably be horrified to think of it that way I assume.
The Invasion is such an excellent one-two-three punch of an opening that I've never seen it topped in series fiction. Animorphs tells you EXACTLY what you're getting into with the first book.
We get about 3 pages of our heroes having wonder and joy at aliens being real before #1 hits us with the graphic onscreen death-by-cannibalism of this kind, caring stranger. And if Jake being chased by 7-foot blade monsters wasn't scary enough, he only escapes because a human bystander dies in his place.
So Jake goes home. To his nuclear suburban family, and his piddly sports problems, and his nice morph-training sequence with his friends. And just kidding there's a yeerk living inside your home already and it knows where you sleep. But that's fine, we'll just tell an adul — oh shit the cops are controllers the reporters are controllers the camp counselors are controllers the vice principal's a controller Elfangor really fucking undersold this problem.
So it's up to them, they guess. And Marco might be scared of dying, and Cassie might be reluctant to fight, but Tobias seems 100% confident they can save the world! So they go. And they don't save Tom, and they get people killed, and they do nothing to hurt Visser Three. And they don't even all make it home at the end of the day. Because it turns out Animorphs is not only a series where supporting characters die; it's a series where the main characters get permanently injured and will never be the same again.
Welcome to the war, kids.
I also don't know if there's a term for the trope, but. Horror pretty much always has a beat where a main character dies or gets permanently harmed really early on, because a) it tells the audience that this is a story where anyone can die, and b) it tells the protagonists they're in a setting where anyone can die.
Like [SPOILERS FOR VARIOUS HORROR MOVIES] Kane in Alien, Johnny in Night of the Living Dead, Dan in Frozen, Jonathan in Dracula, Hutch in The Ritual, Jason in Cloverfield, Mathias in The Ruins, Mary in Sinners, or Frank in 28 Days Later. [END SPOILERS]
Those characters all exist to be not just supporting cast members but people we know, people we like... who then encounter terrible fates that make the stakes of the rest of the story all too real. Each of them gets a moment that shifts the story from being adventurous (Alien, Cloverfield), family-oriented (Sinners, Night of the Living Dead), or "scary but we're handling it" (The Ritual, Dracula) to HOLY HELL WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE at the moment the eldritch forces eat them alive. They make clear this is a space where damage is permanent, where death is real and Captain America's not gonna popping back up 6 issues later good as new, and where anyone can die.
Again, I don't know if there's a term for that trope. But there's clearly a deliberate choice to have Tobias end up permanently, for-real, trapped in another body in the very first book in the series. Because it tells the reader, and more importantly it tells the characters, exactly what's at stake here.
@rainwasheseverythingaway
I had to do a little bit of digging around but I think the relevant tropes are: "The Worf Effect" when a strong/known character is defeated to show an enemy's strength, and "Sacrifical Lion", an important character killed to show an enemy's strength or that shot just got Real.
Ahhh thank you! So it seems like Tobias fits the Worf Effect, and Rachel is more the Sacrificial Lion at the end of the series.

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t's true that an Animorphs and DC crossover would be tricky because of how experienced the Justice League is at fighting alien invasions. But what if superheroes like the Teen Titans or even the Justice League weren't founded until years after the Yeerk War because they had all been inspired by the Animorphs? Imagine Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, or Batman deciding to become the heroes they are because the Animorphs were their role models.
I'm stumped on this one, because I feel like Justice League of America is such a product of the 1960s-70s, and Animorphs is such a product of the 90s-00s, that I don't know how to reverse the causality.
Do any DC and Animorphs fans have ideas?
@archaeopter-ace
Pull inspiration from the Young Justice cartoon: lure the key figures of the JL into space and make them Controllers while they are separated from their support network and isolated. Martian Manhunter is essential to suborn bc a telepath of his caliber will end any earthside invasion before it can begin. While the heavy hitters are off planet, the 90s Yeerk invasion can begin; the sidekicks (don't call them sidekicks!) are of age with the Animorphs and are the first to be clued in. They don't know who they can go to for help since the JL is compromised
Problem with that is that martians can voluntarily go intangible. What’s stopping MM from just… phasing and letting the yeerk fall out?
As you say, he can voluntarily density-shift to phase through objects, but that requires conscious control. He is nigh-invulnerable, but there are still ways to disrupt his powers or render him unconscious (or in too much pain to do much of anything). A magnesium carbonate toxin, for instance. Admittedly, setting him on fire would make it difficult to get a yeerk through his ear canal, and if he has enough presence of mind to shape-shift he could do away with having an ear canal at all. Or he could connect his ear canal to his stomach instead and eat any yeerk that tries, but that would be both gross and needlessly complicated.
Anyway, he has canonically been rendered unconscious before, and once he is, a yeerk could take over his central nervous system and block his control over his abilities that would free him. They'd probably want to keep him far away from everyone rather than use his powers for themselves and risk him escaping their control.
Oh! Just remembered B'arzz O'oomm! Spoiler: in YJ cartoon canon, he's a martian who gets mind-controlled by a Reach scarab that bound itself to his spinal cord. So there's precedent for alien brain parasites to take over Martians!
(hope this comes across as 'What a fun thought exercise!' and not 'Um, actually...' I am not a DC expert! But I appreciate the chance to dig a little deeper into how to trap MM)
In Eleutherophobia-verse, what does Saddler’s family know about what actually happened to him?
So on paper, what happens during #21 - 22 is:
Saddler gets traumatic brain injury (TBI)
Doctors tell Saddler's family he's probably not going to make it; everyone says their goodbyes
There's an incident in an elevator? No one at the hospital seems to have good answers about this
Saddler wakes up, conscious and coordinated, albeit with no memory and some personality changes
Doctors go "this is not even the weirdest thing that's ever happened with a TBI" and send Saddler home
Saddler disappears from his room that night, is never seen again
Everyone else is operating with slightly different amounts of information. So I think that it really does depend on which family member we're talking about.
Jake and Rachel: Know that the "Saddler" who recovered then ran off was actually David, and that Saddler's dead while David's gone. However, don't know what actually happened to Saddler's body (eaten by lion? dropped down elevator shaft? slipped into morgue as John Doe?) and don't really have the means to find out.
Jean, Steve, Dan, Naomi: Have enough distance from the whole mess that they've talked and arrived at the not-unreasonable conclusion Saddler's "recovery" was temporary and that he died shortly after disappearing. They figure he had a burst of consciousness that concealed an ongoing brain bleed, but became disoriented that night and wandered into a river or road that got him killed. Given how weird TBIs are, Steve (an M.D.) might conclude this is 100% possible.
George and Ellen: Probably clinging to the possibility that their son is still alive out there somewhere. Since they know Saddler well enough to have noticed just how out-of-character his behavior was after he "regained consciousness", they're justified in assuming that he really might be wandering around somewhere with amnesia and unable to find his way back.
Brooke and Forrest: Were younger when all this went down, and so have more of an impression that everyone else thinks their brother's still alive.
Justin: Suspects that the yeerks infested Saddler for some reason, and that the Saddler who "woke up" was a yeerk who made temporary use of Saddler's body. Doesn't have any answers — he tried asking Tom about it and came up empty — but can't rule it out.
Tom: Knew the instant Saddler "woke up" that some type of alien bullshit was going down. To this day doesn't know what said bullshit was, since Essa 412 didn't know anything either. Deep down, Tom suspects that Jake and Rachel made Saddler an Animorph to save his life, only to have Saddler get killed on his first mission. But Tom does not want to know that. Given Jake's one indirect allusion to Rachel having killed a failed seventh Animorph, Tom does NOT want to know that.
what would happen if Tom learned about David and/or the Ellimist?
The Ellimist: He'd be like "all right, sure, everyone's got their own religious beliefs, I'm not here to dunk on anyone else's." And the louder Marco or whoever insists that, no, we met the guy, he forced us to travel through time on multiple occasions, he kidnapped us to a whole other planet, the more Tom is like "I'm not arguing with you, and I'm glad you have a nice personal mythology that brings you comfort! I support your beliefs!"
David: If the story is coming from an Animorph — no it isn't. If the story is coming from a non-Animorph — he's disgusted that someone would make up such a harmful lie about the kids who saved the planet, and he's not talking to this person anymore because they should definitely know better than to believe everything they hear.
Okay, but now on that previous idea of David returning or living until the end of the series: The Animorphs would HAVE to tell Tom the whole story. Like, he'd be able to TELL if they were bullshitting him.
Yes, but I think it would take a lot to get him there, because I headcanon Tom as being deep DEEP in denial about a potential seventh Animorph.
Ever thought about a Freaky Friday AU? What would happen if one of the Animorphs swapped bodies with another character [or even another Animorph]?
I haven't seen Freaky Friday! Any freak fans out there willing to speculate on this one?
I think Rachel/Naomi or Cassie/Michelle after they're living in the Hork Bajir valley would have a lot of potential. You don't need to worry about secrets (as much) and it closely follows the original's theme of having a mother/daughter pair seeing each other's perspective. In this case, the difficulties of being the one who goes out on missions vs being the one who has to stay behind.
@daughterofluthien
#oh congrats I am now Obsessed w the concept of a Rachel/Naomi body swap now holy crap#and the particular angst of it being those two I think is really good#especially with how much of a rift exists between those two during that period#I think a lot about how the parents were honestly to some extent right#like let’s be honest—15/16 year olds running some cross between a paramilitary camp and refugee camp was never going to be fully functional#like to be clear they were doing their best—but everyone was also Going Through It#and so were the parents who were suddenly thrown into an active war#and on top of that were told that they have to follow the orders of literal teenagers#and beyond that I think a lot about how of the parents in the valley Naomi was the only one who had other children to protect#(and therefore other children to worry about being in danger)#and add to that a freaky Friday situation would mean the animorphs lose a a morph-capable experienced fighter#anyways I can’t stop thinking about this love this concept#animorphs
If all the animorphs where to get body-swapped with each other, freaky Friday style, who would you pick to be in who/ what do you think the most disastrous swaps would be?
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Ever thought about a Freaky Friday AU? What would happen if one of the Animorphs swapped bodies with another character [or even another Animorph]?
I haven't seen Freaky Friday! Any freak fans out there willing to speculate on this one?
Having seen Freaky Friday and Freakier Friday, the general premise is that the bodyswapped characters aren't understanding each other, and having to pose as each other gives them that understanding. In the first one, for example, Tess Coleman doesn't believe Anna Coleman's account of how she's being treated at school until she experiences it herself.
Going off how in Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Season 1, Kimberly and Billy undergo a body swap experience in episode 16, and the team finds out relatively soon afterwards, I'm of the opinion any in team body swapping isn't going to be a secret for long. It's not something you keep from the team.
If the switch happens with a character like Tom, Chapman, Alloran, or far too many Yeerks, the end result is total party kill/infestation. I don't quite see a way around that right now.
However.
Given the general premise as established in my opening paragraph... my pick would be post war Jake and Cassie.
I'm pretty sure @thejakeformerlyknownasprince has posted or reblogged something about how their relationship was never going to work post war. And yeah, I have nothing to prove otherwise.
But... I'm of the opinion that the others don't really understand what ending the war cost Jake. They know he sent Rachel to kill Tom, yadda yadda. But knowing isn't understanding. And they don't have to deal with how his parents react to him. Etc.
So if we're opening AU possibilities, I think a Jake Cassie bodyswap post war might help them navigate their way back to a relationship.
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i just saw this on instagram and immediately thought you should see it as i am sure there are many andalite/visser three jokes ready to be made
A 7-foot-tall centaur-style robot with a goat head named "Three-Halves" might one day wield a chainsaw in the woods near you. But there's no
This seems like a wonderful project to help with wildfire rescues, by — who else — a California tech nerd sick to death of wildfires. Hopefully he gets some funding out of this!
But also, yes: centaur + chainsaw = andalite. Everyone's missing the bill on this by assuming it's a fae creature.