Non-disordered traumagenic system. Collectively we use he/him, but it varies per headmate. Anti-endos & fakeclaimers this is not your space. See pinned for more info. [For our own mental health, we will not be discussing current world events much on this blog, mainly due to the fact that we are financially unable to donate to any fundraisers. However, let it be known that we stand with Palestine and do not want anyone who doesn't believe a genocide is occuring to interact. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. π΅πΈ]
We're The Hadal Zone system, collective name is Hades or Styx but we generally prefer our system name. This is our blog to ramble about Plural Stuffβ’
Collective pronouns are he/him.
Simplyplural acc: The-Hadal-Zone (add us if ya want!)
Our sidesystem's blog: @caelum-columna
Interactions from: @someoneexistantwhoexists
Posts will be tagged with the name & pronouns of whatever member(s) made them, refer to us accordingly, please!
Preferred terminology: we like headmate, alter, member, really whatever. Parts language is fine as well. Just don't call us "personalities" or we will collectively bite you.
We are a non-disordered traumagenic system.
BYF: a lot of us swear freely and frequently! If this bothers you, you might not want to follow. Some may also use slurs that we can reclaim, but those will be tagged.
That said, anti-endos fuck off.
And also if you support generative AI, fuck off.
We believe in transandrophobia. We have quite literally EXPERIENCED it.
We do not post donation asks. We are not financially able to donate.
(all userboxes made by us, feel free to use)
Frequent fronters + even more userbox spam below cut.
Frequent fronters!
Siffrin - he/they - current host but hosts never stick around too long for us so who knows - fictive (in stars and time)
Jon/Jonathan - he/him - NERD /aff - fictive (The Magnus Archives)
Tim - he/him - spreading the gay agenda - fictive (The Magnus Archives)
Sylver - pronounfluid, default to they/them - "I'm trans so my source is now too, I don't make the rules" - fictive (fire emblem)
Ren - he/him - fictive (Persona 5 Royal)
Pomni - she/they - fictive (The Amazing Digital Circus)
Jax - he/him - fictive (The Amazing Digital Circus)
Chara - they/she/he/it - fictive (UNDERTALE)
Frisk - mirror pronouns - fictive (UNDERTALE)
Seliph - he/they/fae - fictive (fire emblem)
Lewyn - he/him - fictive (fire emblem)
Oliver - they/it/fae/per - post-fictive
But there are way too many of us so expect to see PLENTY of folks not on this list.
(We're not ALL fictives, but like... Three quarters at least.)
More userboxes.......
And, lastly, other blogs we run:
@hadalstims - stimboard blog. We take requests!
@hadalboxes - our userbox sideblog. Only updated when we have the time and energy.
@hadal-sys-vents - vent blog.
@your-fave-is-pro-endo - silly gimmick blog we run with a friend.
@daily-loop-pronouns-reminder - silly gimmick blog where we aggressively remind you of Loop ISAT's pronouns every day, and occasionally we make serious posts about exorsexism in fandom.
Headmate specific:
(Most headmate specific blogs will be used infrequently and may fall in and out of use, there are a lot of us and headmates will only update their blogs if/when they're both fronting and in the mood.)
@k-dreemurr - Kris & their subsystem's blog.
@lesbian-seliph-of-chalphy - our headmate Seliph's blog. Mostly just reblogs Fire Emblem fanart.
@in-stars-and-tism - sideblog for all of the ISAT fictives (Siffrin, Loop, and Isa mostly but the others come around sometimes too)
@pro-endo-susie - our headmate Susie's blog. Kind of a syscourse-y shitpost blog?
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i can't believe toby fox made the chapter 5 secret boss a plural fictionkin trans woman where the way you win is by getting her to come to terms with and accept her plurality and acknowledge that they're both equally important people with their own needs but i'm so happy he did
i+ was wondering how you figured out you were polyplural? mostly curious whether we might be, given our high(ish [by our measure]) headcount. like... are there ways to know whether you're polyfrag/polyplural, or is it more of a self-descriptor thing?
~ ππΊ (asker = Thyme)
Polyplural is really more of an opt in label, it's a loose term that describes any system with a high headcount (generally 100+ but it's really up to the individual system) and complex internal structures, such as subsystems, layers, and/or sidesystems.
We figured it out because we knew the term polyfragmented didn't describe us, since we kinda just don't have fragments, and polyplural is kind of just polyfragmented without the necessity of fragments.
Polyfragmented is a more clinical term generally, and it's a similar meaning but with a bigger focus on layers and, well, fragments, to my understanding anyways, we're not polyfrag so take that with a grain of salt.
Generally speaking, polyplurality isn't just a high headcount, but also a complexity of internal structures, however to my knowledge those two things pretty often go hand in hand?
For example, our system is actually three systems!
1. The Hadal Zone system, the middle layer and the main fronting system where everyone who posts here is from,
2. the Caelum Columna system, the upper layer, a traumawillogenic sidesystem formed by the first host,
3. And the Underforest system, who I'm not allowed to say much about but they are the lower layer sidesystem.
We also have Lost_Media, who is a sidesinglet.
Aaand we also have a number of subsystems, or headmates with headmates!
To us, polyplural as a term is an easy shorthand for how complicated our system is. 300+ members and growing, complex structures, etcetera.
However, more broadly, the purpose of a label is to be helpful.
If you think polyplural or polyfragmented would be helpful labels to describe your plural experiences, you're allowed to use them, even if you don't fit the exact definition to a T.
And it's okay to be wrong! It's okay to use a label for a while and realize it doesn't fit later. For a long time, we identified as polyfragmented because we hadn't seen another similar term that actually described us, but when we finally heard polyplural, we knew that fit a lot better! We also used to think we were a median system, we also used to constantly debate our system origins internally, we've been wrong so many times lol
Oh, also, one last thing! There's a common misconception that complex structures like this can only happen in traumagenic CDD systems, that's not true at all.
We're partly traumagenic but nondisordered, and we've got some weird structures! And we've met fully endogenic or willogenic systems with similar structures to ours.
I hope this is at all helpful! Honestly how we realized is a bit hard to say because we kinda just saw the term and were like "yeah okay that's us," there wasn't really a questioning process, so sorry if this isn't the most enlightening haha
If any polyfragmented systems want to correct me on anything here or share their own experiences, please feel free! As I said, we're not polyfrag, so we probably didn't get everything right!
[ID 1: digital doodle of a person with a smug smile and sparkles around them, saying "he's... heh... "growing" on me".
ID 2: the same person turning around quickly with bulging eyes and a caption that reads "crack", to see a sprite of Flowery from Deltarune with low opacity, seemingly far away in the back, with a caption that reads "suspicious fictive shaped vibe in the corner". end ID.]
a hastily made comic because Iβve been Having A Time. mostly for people who already know what systems are/what polyfragmented means (cuz I didnβt explain it) but feel free to show anyone who you think needs it
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Why Flowery is one of Deltarune's most tragic characters.
(Spoilers for all of chapter 5's main route.)
I don't think enough people are talking about just how heartbreaking of a character Flowery really is, and the rest of the flowers too on some level.
I get that we love to joke and make memes about him, even hate on him a little just for fun, but I want to see more serious analysis of this guy, because his story is one of the most poignantly tragic in the entire game.
So I'm gonna say my piece about him, this will be a bit ramble-y but I hope it gets my point across.
Flowery is aware of the prophecy and what it means. While it's unclear exactly how, I think we can assume that at some point Asgore might've read the story to his flowers, maybe Gerson's Lord of the Hammer books? But regardless of how, we know that Flowery is fully aware of the prophecy because of his interactions with Ralsei.
So, from the moment the dark world is created, from the moment he gains sentience, Flowery knows that sooner or later the fountain will be sealed, and his world will end. From the start, everything he does is with this fact in mind.
And what does he do with this time he knows is limited? He tries to make Asgore happy.
He's very misguided about it, sure, but he so obviously genuinely wants Asgore to be happy, he genuinely wants him and his fellow flowers to be like a new family for him, because they all grew their entire lives up until now hearing Asgore's stories get progressively more sad, intimately understanding how Asgore's life is falling apart.
It's funny, as self-centered as he may come off, he spends vanishingly little of his time as a sentient being focused on himself, instead he makes it all about how Asgore feels, he makes his entire world revolve around Asgore, because even if he knows deep down that he can't be there forever, he can at least TRY to make Asgore happy in this moment.
And he knows who's gonna do it, too. He knows exactly who the people destined to destroy his world and cast him and his fellow flowers back into unconsciousness are, the heroes of the prophecy, Kris, Susie, and Ralsei.
And what does he try to do? He tries to help them, too. While yes, he's antagonistic towards the Fun Gang, he makes it clear in his pre-boss dialogue that he only acted that way because it was what he thought would make Ralsei actually realize that his mentalities were messed up, he wants Ralsei to know freedom, to realize he's allowed to be happy.
Does this excuse him bullying Ralsei? Well, that's really up to you. I think what he was trying to do came from the right place, and in many ways, it even worked, but there may have been a better way to make Ralsei have the realizations that he wanted him to without being a massive asshole. I don't think he was clearly in the wrong OR in the right here, much like in his actions towards Asgore.
But still, he became the exact person he believed Ralsei needed. He knew these people were going to destroy everything he'd built, or at least that they were going to try, and Ralsei was the most dedicated of them all, and he STILL tried to help!
And finally, when it did come time for him to stand against them in combat, he did. Even though he knew the prophecy had unfolded exactly as written so far, even though he knew he had next to no chance of actual meaningful victory, he still tried. He still fought for his world. He still stood alongside all of his friends and family and TRIED.
But y'know what he didn't do? What he wouldn't do, that every other deltarune arc villain did? He wouldn't kill them. He won't kill the heroes, even to save his world, even to save everything he loves, because at his heart, Flowery is principled. He won't cross that line, he won't kill three actual children, even if he probably has better motivations to do so than, like, any other previous arc villain.
But by not killing them, by letting the heroes try over and over again, he knows that sooner or later, they'll win. He's heard the stories, he knows they won't give up.
When Kris doesn't get up at the end of their fight, when he realizes they might be actually seriously hurt, Flowery is shocked and very obviously realizes he took it too far.
And then Asgore tells Flowery exactly what he fears most: he could never genuinely be happy there, he was just playing along with Flowery to learn more about the dark worlds. Asgore did genuinely think Flowery's attempts to make him happy were sweet, but he also intimately understands the dangers of the dark world, as perfectly demonstrated by Kris getting hurt even when Flowery didn't mean for them to.
So, the heroes say their goodbyes and go to seal the fountain, and Flowery knows his world is going to end, just like the prophecy said.
And then, finally, the Roaring Knight takes Asgore.
And even after being told to his face that Asgore was just playing along throughout it all, even after KNOWING that he and his fantasy world would NEVER be enough for Asgore, Flowery still wants to help him more than anything.
So he fights the Roaring Knight, a fight he cannot possibly win because the heroes are fated to clash with it in the end, and... He dies.
(Alright, we don't know for sure if he's dead. I suspect it might depend on player actions in future chapters, perhaps you need to make sure to go back to the flower shop to take care of the flowers while Asgore's gone, but at least for the moment, he is most likely dead. The scene is played like a character death, and thematically, that's what it is.)
And you know what he says while he's dying?
He comments on how useless flowers are. He says how he knows he could never help in any real way, literally parroting the exact purpose talk and lack of self worth he tried to discourage in Ralsei, because when you put aside all the bravado, Flowery has many of the same insecurities.
It's Ralsei who refutes this, telling him that he and his fellow flowers serve an important and beautiful purpose, in a beautiful semi-reversal of their dynamic up until this point... But it's still ultimately about innate purpose, something darkners can't seem to escape.
Flowery can only hope his words were enough, that maybe, just maybe, he might've made Ralsei think. He might've prompted some level of prominent change, because even if he does survive as a flower in the light world, Ralsei still more or less outlives him once his world is gone.
But you know what caps it all off? What REALLY makes it so tragic?
Flowery's plan never could've worked, even if he had defeated the heroes and kept his fountain.
Because the flowers are between lightners and darkners.
It's established all the way back in chapter one that food and water consumed in the dark world won't actually sustain someone from the light world, after all, it's not "real." So what about the flowers?
While, as Ralsei says, they need to be taken care of. They need water and sunlight, otherwise they'll wither. If there is a dark world in the flower shop, they can't be taken care of.
So, ultimately, Flowery's world was always doomed, prophecy or not. If it had stuck around, he and the other flowers would've all eventually died, with no one to take care of them, no water, no sunlight, nothing.
It was always a dream, beautiful but temporary.
But... At least we got to see it. At least we got to watch their dreams, to be there, to learn who all seven of them are as people, to understand them, and ultimately, at least we got to say goodbye.
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Can I just say Pink is so so important to me as a plural deltarune fan?
I almost feel like Toby must've intentionally set out to write her as a system, even if the actual mechanics are a bit fantastical, just because of the themes of her fight and the thematic resolution.
Toby really wrote a story about two people who accidentally became a system, experienced conflict between each other and had differing wants/needs, and STILL chose to STAY A SYSTEM!
They choose to stay with each other!! They choose to stay with each other, because being a system isn't inherently bad! Because wanting to be plural is okay! Because sharing a body can be intimate and beautiful! Because there's nothing wrong with wanting to be a system, even when it's hard!
When I was playing the fight, I just kinda mentally prepared myself for the fact that their story was just going to end with the two of them splitting up, because who could possibly willingly choose something like that? (Sarcasm)
AND. THEN. THEY. DIDN'T!!!!!!
It's just such a beautiful and touching story to me, and one I haven't seen before. Plurality in media, intended or otherwise, is almost always a negative for everyone involved. It's always the evil alter, always the horror of sharing your body, always the invasive external force that you just wanna get rid of, it's never okay to want it, to be okay with being or even choose to be a system.
But Pink spits in the face of all of that, the ghost and the darkner stumble into being a system entirely by accident but they CHOOSE TO STAY A SYSTEM. Because they love each other and they love what they are,,, even when it's hard!
Fuck, man, I just need more plural stories like that.
