Just some things I’ve thought about in regards to posts in support of either Zeal or Ren
I don’t play pressure, maybe like once with my older brother months ago but I’ve seen all the posts that've gone down relating to what’s happened recently.This will be my only posts about it
PLEASE NOTE:I have not read any of the docs, only a bunch of posts people made about it.Personally I don’t really have a right to make a solid opinion
I’ve looked over a ton of posts on people’s feelings towards it, on tumblr and Reddit (since I have an account on tumblr and I can skim Reddit without needing to make account)
Just comparing what I’ve seen on Reddit and Tumblr, there have been a lot of Reddit posts in support of zeal and doing their own analyzing of the docs with screenshots, stuff like that
On tumblr many posts I’ve seen in support of Ren, don’t show evidence or show any reasoning to why Ren is credible to them besides their morals, there’s nothing wrong with following your moral compass, but in a case like this you’d think evidence would be extremely important.Some posts mention they didn’t read all the docs which I’m not sure how that makes sense.
The only exception on I've seen on tumblr is a series of posts someone (I won’t say their user but if you put in some effort searching then you’ll find and probably know what I’m talking about) made on why they don’t believe Zeal that actually did go through the docs and provide an in depth reasoning behind everything they pointed out, those posts are appear pretty good and you should look at it
Also one thing I’ve noticed in a multiple posts in support of ren on tumblr, many of them say zeal is “larping” (I never really knew what this slang means but people have been using in this context) as his mom or faked his suicide attempt without any evidence, but Reddit posts say that zeal’s moms discord account existed a year before Zeal’s and she has a Pinterest account, as well as something about Ren herself confirming it was Zeal’s mom but I don’t remember exactly what made them say that so take it with a grain of salt.So I can only guess that the assumption of Zeal larping and faking his suicide attempt doesn’t have much credibility and is on an underlying bias against zeal
From what I heard Ren’s original doc and Zeal doc both leave out certain pieces of evidence, I’m not surprised this is the case since rationally you don’t want people to go against you.
From what I know Zeal left out a screenshot of Ren explaining consent, all posts I found did not show the screenshot that was left out, summarized it down a ton, and didn’t give any quotes from it, so I cannot gauge how much this would invalidate certain claims in support of zeal.When it comes to Ren, Reddit posts show there are several inconsistencies with Ren’s claims whether in their own doc or as a result of new information from later docs like her giving consent or something along the lines of that, and unproven claims (Someone created a version of Ren’s doc and posted it on on Reddit which organized all of the claims and how credible they are, I never read it but if you’re interested you can look at Reddit to find it).Unfortunately any of the unproven claims will stay unproven as Ren stopped making the revised doc so I’ve heard
Comparing the content that posts for either side have, I can’t help but think, Is this a reflection of the community or what Ren and Zeal actually have to offer in regards to what happened?Maybe a mix of both?
This is my first time speaking about such a sensitive discussion.If I made some mistakes you can comment about it