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Can you elaborate more about how Adrien used to act with Plagg and Nino? I could really use the pick-me-up to help with the mourning of what we lost. š
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Adrien used to be just so familiar with Nino. Whenever they hung out together, the chances of one of them having their arm around the other's shoulder were pretty high. Adrien doesn't have this ease of comforting touch with anyone else in the entire cast. In āThe Bubblerā, when his dad is being a jerk, he practically clings to Ninoās shoulder for comfort. In āAnimanā he leans on Nino a lot and is really playful around him. With Nino, Adrien trusts that his touch will be welcomed and his vulnerability or sillier impulses won't be rejected. In the original show, Adrien can be himself with Nino.
Similarly, Nino has some insecurity over not appearing cool enough. He came across as an aloof loner in 'Origins', earphones on and not making contact with his classmates. Him taking a chance on Adrien, seeing him almost get isolated due to who he knows, helped him open up too. He never appears that standoffish in the show again, and he's able to open up to Adrien about his crush on Marinette and let him help him in 'Animan'. And, considering how easily he moved on, this wasn't some big problem that was really bothering Nino that he absolutely had to get off his chest, he can talk to Adrien about inconsequential, embarrassing stuff. The trust there is real.
With Plagg, Adrien is the most honest he is with anyone in the show. Plagg knows every secret he keeps from anybody else. He talks to Plagg about things that upset him instead of pretending to be fine. They tease each other. When they played the piano together in āPuppeteer 2ā, it was one of the most heartwarming scenes in the series.
Okay, it's been long enough that I can actually discuss how Adrien's slavery is depicted in the show without anger-fueled exaggerations and hyperbole. I want to discuss how Miraculous treats Adrien's slavery very flippantly and how it is, like everything in this show post-retool, all about Marinette. The show has a lot of stuff that hints that the writers intend for Adrien to be viewed a very certain way. I believe the writers made Adrien a slave for Marinetteās benefit and I will explain how I came to this conclusion.
Iāve joked before about how Astruc has worked on Totally Spies, āone of the kinkiest cartoons ever madeā. Iād like to tackle this idea and how it relates to Miraculous more seriously. Iād like to tackle the topic of titillation and how it relates to how this show approaches slavery with such flippancy. My claim is that Adrien being a slave is not meant to be horrifying, which is why the story doesn't treat it as such; it's meant to be titillating.
I usually don't use Read Mores, since they can lead to broken links later, but this is really long. Strap in, folks.
Titillation for the context of this analysis means ācontent with the intention to excite romantically or sexuallyā, basically itās about ākinkyā stuff. The purpose of talking about sexuality in relation to Miraculous is not to paint the writers as some kind of fiends, but to present the fact that many teenagers are curious about romance and sex and will think about sex unprompted. This means titillating content in cartoons doesnāt even need to be related to sex to be titillating. And Astruc has a history of putting titillating stuff in his work, with Totally Spies being a very notable example of how you can include non-sexual titillating content in a kidsā show.
It all comes down to expected audience reactions. Adrien is meant to be sexy. I donāt mean that in a āthe writers think this is sexyā way, but a āthe writers think the projected audience of straight teenage girls will think this is sexyā way. He gets put into bondage three times in āCopycatā, āAnti-Bugā and āReverserā and all three times the camera seems to like to show him off. He is meant to be an object of attraction for the audience. The people criticizing this show have been pointing out how Ladybug's costume accentuates her butt for years, but this is not something that occurs with just Ladybug. When he isn't posing for the viewers, Cat Noir gets whacked around by Akumaās a lot, but a lot of the time it ends with him in a prone position that is also titillating, in āPixelatorā it goes as far as having his butt jut out. However, the idea that Cat Noir is the one who gets hit when an Akuma needs to show off how dangerous they are is also part of the power dynamic where Marinette or Ladybug gets to show off, so itās not purely for titillation, which is why other examples, like āStormy Weatherā are more comedic.
Itās likely that Adrien-as-Adrien doesnāt get to participate in the showās slapstick much, since that aspect of the character is presented as the perfect beauty, a role usually reserved for female characters who only ever get a little bit flustered or banged up to make sure they keep looking attractive. Marinette screams "waack" and runs face first into a wall in the same episode where the silliest thing Adrien gets to do is sneeze (Mr Pigeon). Adrien is meant to be attractive, sexy, titillating, in different ways in his different forms. As Cat Noir he is more active and more sexy, as Adrien heās more passive and pretty, much like how female love interests can fall into these categories. Itās the Betty and Veronica dichotomy; in the Archie franchise Betty and Veronica are shown as the wholesome and sexy romance options and the reason the writers go out of their way not to resolve the love triangle is to keep the appeal of these both options going. Peopleās tastes differ, so it would alienate some audiences to pick one over the other. With Miraculous they solved the problem by having the two romance options be the different identities of a single character.
Frankly, as of the season five finale, Adrien is approaching āsexy lampā levels of replicating sexist ways of writing a female character but just changing the gender. What else do you call him lying on the floor in despair while his love interest gets his superpowers and uses them to beat up his abusive father, while somehow being perfectly fine and happily kissing Marinette later after said father is dead and gone? Adrienās trauma is debilitating when it serves the writersā purposes, but stops being a problem as soon as they need him to smile and look pretty. The main reason Adrienās trauma is so inconsistent is so that he can act as Marinetteās trophy so that Marinette has somebody to kiss in the final shot. If Adrien was despairing about not being good enough for her, or grossly crying about being an orphan, Marinette wouldnāt have a fun time kissing him. And if Marinette isnāt having fun, the members of the audience projecting onto her arenāt having fun either.
Speaking of how Adrienās depiction relates to Marinette, here comes the controversial part of this post: while Marinette is not depicted as a literal slave owner in-story, narratively, she is very much treated as Adrien's owner from a meta perspective. We, the viewers, are meant to see Adrien as Marinette's property, and the twist of Adrien being a part of a slave race in a dynamic where Marinette holds all the cards is meant to be a good thing. We have been primed to view everything about Adrien to actually be about Marinette, because Marinette is the center of the universe of Miraculous and Adrien belongs to her because heās the main characterās love interest. Adrien being revealed to be a slave that Marinette could control but then chooses to āmerelyā manipulate is meant to be glorifying to Marinette and titillating to the viewer. I will elaborate.
Marinette has been incredibly possessive of Adrien since day one and she is only occasionally depicted as being in the wrong about this, when she goes too far by the showās standards. She stalks Lila and Adrien whenever she sees them hanging out together and sheās unreasonably jealous of Kagami. The only time she is depicted as being in the wrong is not when she's sniffing Adrien's pillow after breaking into his room, but when she actually bullies Kagami out of jealousy, and even that is depicted as more of an unfortunate misunderstanding than Marinette actively doing something wrong. Marinette is more sympathetic towards Kagami when she finds out she and Adrien aren't as close as she thought, that Kagamiās pursuit of Adrien is more hopeless than hers. Basically, Marinette is only in the wrong because Kagami isn't a threat, not because she was doing anything wrong by bullying her to defend her āterritoryā.
This same attitude of Adrien not being allowed to have romantic options outside of Marinette has also been in the fandom for years. Every time a new female character was introduced, there was a worry that sheād ātry to steal Adrien from Marinetteā. Marinette and Adrien are endgame, the writers know this and the fandom knows this. The characters don't know this, but it doesn't matter because Adrien was already seen as Marinette's (future) boyfriend even back in season one when he barely knew her. And this attitude the writers and audience have is extended to the characters more and more as the show goes on, as almost every single character becomes an Adrinette shipper in support of Marinette in season five, while no one thinks to ask Adrien what he thinks about this. Only once, in āDesperadaā did Alya suggest that Adrien could make his own choice on who to date, but it was implied the choice should be Marinette specifically (Marinette smiles at this, while Kagami frowns). The cast is lucky the writers have decided Adrien already is Marinette's, or heād be really uncomfortable.
Season five episode āPretensionā goes as far with this as having Marinette basically ask Gabriel for permission to be with Adrien, convinced that she and Adrien can be together with no problems if she can just get him to approve of her. And then Gabriel tells her heās promised Adrien to Kagami. You know, like a piece of property women were treated as before women were allowed to live without a man to control them. The finale then ultimately does have Gabriel agree to hand Adrien over to Marinette by dying and leaving her in charge of Adrien. Just because she uses the privilege to do some things for Adrienās benefit doesnāt make what happened any less of a patriarchal transaction. In fact, the writers wrote it that way on purpose, with the knight and princess parallels they set up between Marinette and Adrien earlier in the show being something they are prominently proud of (the āreverse fairytaleā as they put it). Adrien is the princess the dashing hero Marinette gets to earn with her feats of bravery; heās handed to her like a piece of property and Marinette is too happy with her acquisition to even be outraged on Adrienās behalf. And Adrien wasnāt even allowed to know about any of this, instead it gets handled solely between Marinette and Gabriel, like his opinion on the matter didnāt even matter. And why would his opinion matter, since he already is ready to promise himself to Marinette, even as the writers deny him the agency to actually make such a promise.
The goal of making it obvious that Adrien is cool with being objectified like this is probably why they make Adrien so obsessed with Marinette in season five, constantly repeating her name to himself and saying stuff like: āI canāt stop thinking about youā in āPretensionā. They need to drive it home to the audience exactly how okay Adrien is with everyone forcing him to be with Marinette. After all, you canāt force the willing. As of āConfrontationā, Adrienās official goals for the future are: āI love Marinette Dupain-Cheng.ā I guess, from the perspective of the writers, the childhood dream of wanting to be what his parents wanted from āWishmakerā wasnāt sad because of Adrienās lack of agency; it was sad because he wasnāt forsaking all of his personal pursuits for Marinette specifically. As far as the writers are concerned, Adrien should only care about Marinette and nothing else.
This same entitlement is also present in Ladybug and Cat Noir's relationship. Every time Cat Noir is upset with Ladybug, like in Frozer, Glaciator, Syren, The New York Special or even Kuro Neko, they never talk about what caused it. This is especially blatant in cases where Ladybug has wronged Cat Noir personally, like Kuro Neko or the NY Special, where she never has to face up to what she did wrong because Cat Noir comes back because she āneeds himā.Ā Cat Noir will always come back to her without her having to do anything because she is the main character and she says she needs him. He exists for her and her needs. He exists for her; itās just another way heās hers.
Speaking of how Adrien is treated affects Marinette, even Adrienās trauma actually belongs to her in the writing.Ā I pointed out earlier that Adrienās trauma shows up when the writers need to put him out of commission, but disappears as soon as he needs to be Marinetteās trophy, but it goes further than just inconsistency. The early seasons spend several episodes on how Adrien is being locked up by his father and unable to hang out with his friends and, between him and Marinette, Marinette is the one shown to be more upset and hurt by this. They donāt do this in every episode, as āThe Bubblerā actually does a phenomenal job of making Adrienās upset actually about him, but the big point in āGlaciatorā is that Marinette is so upset that she canāt see Adrien that she accidentally leaves Cat Noir on read so heās upset about that. Adrien is only upset because he didnāt get attention from Marinette, while Adrienās literal abuse at the hands of his father is only important because it makes Marinette upset. Even Adrien himself gets in on this action in āConformationā when the writers go as far as having Adrien chastise himself of not being more worthy of Marinetteās love when his dad is once again busy ruining his life. Even Adrien himself makes his abuse about Marinette; him being abused is bad because itās inconveniencing Marinette and inconveniencing Marinette makes him less worthy of her.
āCat Blancā is possibly the worst offender of all, though. This episode should be all about how Adrien is abused by Gabriel, culminating with Gabriel turning him into a monster that destroys the world. And yet, what is the episode actually about? Itās about Marinette. The worst thing that could happen to Adrien is about Marinette. Only Marinette gets to remember or even know about the possibility of Cat Noir getting Akumatized and only Marinette is traumatized by it happening. After all that the writers later dare to use this event that didnāt actually happen anymore, that Adrien doesnāt know about, to justify him giving his powers to Marinette, because heās āscared of getting Akumatizedā when something like that has never happened as far as he knows. But the writers had him reason this way anyway, because apparently the culmination of Marinetteās character development in the show means taking Adrienās power as her own and then failing to win even with that at her disposal.
Another note about āThe Bubblerā that has to be pointed out is that itās also the first example of Marinette being presented as good for Adrien simply because she treats him better than Gabriel. The final scene of Marinette giving Adrien his best birthday present yet and letting him think it comes from Gabriel is done to show how selfless Marinette is by letting Adrien keep thinking good things about his abuser. This idea that Marinette is morally good simply because sheās better than pond scum Gabriel is also present in the season five finale, where Marinette manipulates, gaslights and keeps important information from her abused slave boyfriend. Marinette is presented as being in the right because at least she didnāt literally control him with a magical geas like Gabriel did and gave him the object with which to do so (while notably not telling him what it does). Marinette will do the bare minimum of not taking literal ownership of Adrien and weāre meant to see her as a paragon of goodness for it, while she still has no respect for Adrienās autonomy and hasnāt had any since the show started.
The way the Sentimonster ārevealā is handled shows this utter lack of respect for Adrienās autonomy that the writers, and Marinette by extension, have. The reveal is not for Adrien, but for Marinette, just like every other piece of Adrien has been made to be about Marinette. Marinette gets to know and she gets to decide if Adrien gets to know, and she decides ānoā. She will manipulate him and lie to him to keep him happy for herself, she will keep important information about him to herself that he might never find out if anything happens to her, because Adrien is hers and no one elseās and she has the right to make that decision because the world revolves around her because the world of Miraculous was created to be her playground. āAdrienā is just a toy on that playground for Marinette to play with as the writers see fit.
Now weāre coming back to Adrienās role as the sexy, titillating love interest character that I talked about at the start of this essay. If Marinette granting Adrien the bare minimum of freedoms as a slave while manipulating him āfor his own goodā is meant to be a good thing, why is Adrien even a slave? Well, outside of the writers wanting to add a plot twist that doesnāt come with any messy plot theyād have to write about characters other than Marinette, Adrien being a slave is also meant to be titillating. What really is magical super slavery than very, very off the wall bondage and power play stuff? The idea that Marinette could rob her love interest of his free will with ease but wonāt because she cares about him so much is very empowering in two different ways. It gives Marinette all the power in the relationship and it makes her out to be such a good person that even having ultimate power over another person wonāt corrupt her. Adding to that, we have Adrienās people pleaser abuse victim personality, which makes him fawn over the people he loves. If Marinette ever wanted to have control over Adrien, Adrien would give it to her of his own volition, no need for magical super slavery or unbreakable geases.
As I stated earlier, Marinette is meant to be the point of view main character the audience of teen girls projects themselves onto. So, really, Adrienās slavery and abuse responses are all about that fantasy of having a cute boy you have all the power over but not needing to use it because the boy is so nice and devoted to you anyway. Adrien really is āperfectā, the perfect object of attraction, a being who technically has free will but whose free will you never have to take into account because heās been designed and trained to value other peopleās wants and needs over his own.
Marinette doesn't literally own Adrien within the story, but the writers make it very clear that they think she should. In fact, in all ways except the literal, she already does.
For Alix, Iād pick the fiery Fire Type because it works both for her own spunky attitude as well as design-wise. She also has an attitude well-suited for a Fighting Type trainer, so weāll split the difference with one of my favorite Fire-Fighters, Blaziken. She would also have a Cinderace, because I still remember that interview about Scorbunnyās sporty personality type and thatās just perfect. It would also be a good stand-in for Fluff. Iād also give her a Coalossal because itās huge but peaceful, so itās the perfect balance to Alix, whoās small but spunky. Considering her role as the last resort Miraculous user, a Volcarona would also be a good match for her, since Volcaronaās mythology is that it can serve as a substitute sun during extremely cold conditions, a type of savior. Lastly, sheād have a Charizard, because of course she would.
Another possible Type for Gabriel to specialize in is Dragons, due to their perceived power and prestige, but I attached those to the Tsurugis and, while I donāt mind the more numerous heroes overlapping, the few villains should have more variety.
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Top 5 most understandable canon reasons for a character to get akumatized (excluding Marinette's/Adrien's akumatizations cause they'd probably be at the top).
Reflekta: LET THE GIRL BE IN A PHOTOSHOOT. IT'S SUCH A SMALL THING BUT APPARENTLY IT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK FROM SOME PEOPLE
The Mime: He got set up by someone who he thought was his friend so that said friend could steal his job. If I was him, I wouldn't have forgiven the guy.
Stormy Weather: She was publically humiliated in a rigged contest, all done on purpose. She can go off.
Santa Claws: The abusive father of the one person who treated him nice that evening accused him of committing a crime for wanting to help his son. Anyone wanting to deck Gabriel is fully justified.
āI need eye bleachā | ā Garbage! Just straight trashā | āThat aint itā | āI see you are a background character.ā | ā The sex appeal of a celery stickā | āMidā | ā Not my style, but I respect it.ā |āSolid fit.ā | āUnderstood the Assignmentā | āStraight Fire fitā | ā Main character Dripā | ā Dripped out of his mindā | āStealing yo girl/man and all your friends. |
It's fine, as far as casual wear goes. There's a bit of duality going on here, with it being so put-together with the whole two-layers of shirts and belt with the pants while also being relaxed with his top shirt being open. Adrien is tightly controlled but approachable.
The true genius of this outfit comes out when you match it next to Marinette's, however. Our two main leads' civilian wear are perfectly matched piece to piece while their colors are picked to contrast each other.
White versus black, black versus white, blue versus pink, polka dots versus stripes. This is the good shit that caught my attention when I first started watching this show.
I've said before that we need a "genwunner" like term for Miraculous fans like me who loved the original show and concept but who then dropped the show because of the retooling that started with season four. I've figured out what type of Miraculous content appeals to these fans, so I propose the term
Zagulous Fans
Because clearly the show's quality went downhill for us as soon as Zag became less involved with the writing, and the movie that is specifically his vision is more to our tastes than the current show. Therefore, we're fans of Miraculous content Jeremy Zag had direct creative input in.