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I feel like maybe a future poll you could do is another “Worst Trope Ever” poll but explicitly excluding the legitimately fucked up ones, maybe a “Most Annoying Trope Ever”? So then the more benign but hated tropes can have a chance to be the biggest loser
Yep, assuming that the non-problematic tropes don't get far, I'm planning on doing a smaller bracket after this for the tropes that are just annoying rather than offensive.
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I want to make a stand for dream plots.
Sure, I get that the rug-pull of "none of that mattered" can feel bad, but THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THERE!!!!
A dream can be a look into a character's psyche, and that can build those characters in a way that is somewhat unique to dream plots!
Tell me that the Superman Birthday episode from the Justice League cartoon is bad. Or that Any dream plot in Buffy or Angel are bad, or that they at least could have been done better another way. I do not think that you could genuinely argue those points, and people are conflating their feelings on "It was just a dream" theories/headcannons with the actual stories that engage with those plots wholeheartedly.
Even if it is just silly indulgences like the coma seasons of Archer, they are still a lot of fun. I just think the over-serialization of media has poisoned peoples ability to enjoy stories that are just willing to fuck around with characters for a bit.
That's a pretty good point! While dreams that are originally presented as Actual Plot Stuff That Is Happening and are then revealed to be dreams when the creator realizes that they don't actually want to follow through on any of those plot developments are lazy, and the reveal at the end of some stories that "it was all a dream" can be frustrating because it retroactively makes the entire plot insignificant, as the submitter said in their propaganda, if the creator is aware that it is a dream and of the implications of the character dreaming about whatever it was, it can be really interesting (like a dream being used to show a character's unprocessed trauma, or their deep fears, or their greatest desires). And a more surreal, trippy plotline that is revealed to be a dream can also be fun, because that's simply how dreams are, and the audience has already been tipped off to the fact that it might not be entirely real. Just goes to show that almost any trope can be used well or badly depending on the creator -- it's just a matter of which ones are used badly more often.
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Do you have an account on TV Tropes?
Not at the moment, no. I used to, a few years back, but I think I accidentally got perma-banned due to a prolonged series of misunderstandings, so I don't anymore, unfortunately.
(Anti?) Propaganda for cop crushes on witness & cringe comedy match up: honestly I personally think cop crushes on witness is 100% the more annoying trope, maybe partly because it’s less common. Cringe Comedy is SO broad of a category. You could arguably sort anything that evokes discomfort as humor under its umbrella. And yes when it’s bad it is annoying (though that arguably applies to any trope ever) and there’s a specific annoying brand of it that was pretty dominant for a while, but there’s way too much that falls under that broad category that isn’t bad for it to be the most annoying trope. Cop crushes on witness, however, is much narrower and therefore imo much easier to judge, and there’s very few, if any, examples of it that I can think of that aren’t badly executed.
Basically, to me- cringe comedy is less annoying because it’s a whole subgenre of its own and not just a basic building block trope- and therefor while versions of it are annoying, it still has way, way more potential to be executed in non-annoying ways than a much narrower trope like cop crushes on witness.
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The person who submitted found family does not understand the difference between the trope itself and how it is interpreted. Yes some people MISINTERPRET the point of found family and assign characters nuclear family roles but that is not the trope itself
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I think this tournament is making me realize that there's not a lot of inherently bad/annoying tropes, just a lot of poorly done, misunderstood, or overused tropes.
There's a fair chunk of tropes here that could be done well but a lot of stories fail to implement them well or get them wrong
Definitely, definitely. I'd say that almost any trope can be done well, and it's really just a matter of which ones are easiest to mess up and/or messed up the most. Especially in this tournament, where almost none of the tropes are inherently bad, that's really what it comes down to. I have very strong opinions on tropes, thus why I'm modding this in the first place, so I'm excited to see where this goes.
cop crush on witness is horrible. youre all really gonna let the cops flirting with possibly traumatized people be seen as better than cringy jokes?
sozz if this sounds rude but its true that cringe is better than cops
Your propaganda has been noted, but please do remember that the point of this tournament is EXPLICITLY not to find out which trope is worst from a moral standpoint. We tried that with the last tournament and it was really unfun for everyone involved. This tournament is about which tropes are most annoying from an "enjoyment of media" standpoint, not which ones are the most problematic. I was on the fence about CCOW being let into this tournament specifically because I was worried about people voting for it simply because "cops bad" or "power imbalance bad", which is, once again, directly antithetical to the purpose of the MATS. So, I'm going to answer this ask because all propaganda deserves a chance to be shared, but with the very strong caveat that if you want to vote for CCOW, do it because it's overused or lazy or cringey, not because "cops flirting with traumatized people" is Bad.
Since you said ask you about any trope and you'd likely have an opinion: What's your opinion on found family?
As the mod of this blog, I fucking hate it, because it wins every matchup it's in with impossible certainty. (Just joking. Mostly.)
As a human being who consumes media, I absolutely love it. It's one of the most major platonic group-dynamic tropes out there, and I think it only really gets messed-up when the creator (or the fandom) doesn't know what to do with that - they can't really comprehend the idea of a platonic bond that's as strong as a familial or romantic one, so everyone in the found family group that isn't dating is slotted into nuclear family roles, i.e, "character A is the dad, character B is the mom, characters C, D, and E are siblings". This is also where you get takes like "you can't ship character A with character C because they're found family and that's incest", which unfortunately has crossed my dash multiple times.
My good friend F, whose musings I occasionally post on this blog, and I are actually currently working on a WIP about a queer found family surviving in the nuclear apocalypse, and one of the things we made sure to watch out for was that we were fully embracing the inherent transcendence of found family rather than giving everyone a set familial role and having them interact in that way. Because ultimately, that's the beauty of found family - it transcends the relationship hierarchy and the idea that blood family and romantic relationships must be the top priority. It also offers up some really interesting character dynamics that aren't restricted by preexisting ideas -- who is each character to each other? How does each duo within the group work? What about each trio? Quartet? How did they find each other? How do they think of each other and the group as a whole? -- that, as a writer, are absolute gold to explore.
Also, it's very queer by nature. I said what I said.
Anyway, main takeaway: 4.5 out of 5 stars, absolutely love. Thanks for asking, anon!
