#vince lore

so i was curious about vince's and pep's prior relationships? and how much their past experiences inform their current relationship?

like i recall from your earlier works of vincent that he had a boyfriend in college - was that his first and only relationship up until he met pepper?

whereas pep strikes me as someone who's dated alot but has never really had the time to pursue anything serious due to everything going on with her life - like she's both more and less experienced than vince, if that makes sense

anyway i hope my reading of your characters isn't too offbase but apologizes if it is lol. love your art and i always go feral when you post more

Hii, first of all thank youuu :33 ♡♡♡ I'm always happy to hear when ppl like my ocs I'm absolutely thriving after this 😌

Also, you hit the nail on the head right there with Pepper!! She's got a longer string of relationships under her belt, but they were all short term and ended either badly or abruptly for a variety of reasons, like moving away, too many arguments, overly possessive/controlling partners, etc etc. Her fix for any big problems in the relationship is usually "just end it and start a new one". By the time she met Vincent she was a little burnt out on relationships and had been single for a while.

For Vincent he had that boyfriend in college but that wasn't his first relationship! The first one was with a girl in high school, and they spent about 2 to 3 years together before she had to move away for college and they broke up. He loved her a lot, she was literally his first love, but there were a lot of problems in the relationship especially bc they were teens and still very immature. But overall the memory he has of her is a very fond one. With his boyfriend it was a whole other can of worms, not because the relationship wasn't good (it did have problems that made it more difficult to deal with especially being a gay relationship in the 80s) but mostly bc he was forced to cut it short. He would've stayed and worked through any problems that came their way if it wasn't for the embrace, for his fear of hurting him and of what his sire might do. Breaking up like that was really abrupt and not what he would've naturally done otherwise.

In general, Vincent's approach to relationships is to insist and try to make it work as much as he possibly can. Which is the point where he and Pepper collide. Immovable object meets unstoppable force etc etc.

The way their relationship works before bloodlines is a little weird bc they're not actually in a *romantic* relationship, but they're at that ambiguous place where they're "weird friends". You know? I'm not sure what's the word I'm looking for here, but they're not normal friends, their relationship has been a little weird and ambiguous from jump, but they never talked about it nor got physical with it. I don't wanna go too much on a tangent bc otherwise I'll take forever to answer your actual question jdkfkf [*but* if you do wanna know more about how things worked between them before bloodlines pls let me know, I would love to yap about that :3] but basically, because of the weirdness of their situation Pepper ended up not cutting him off and this became her longest "relationship" before it was even anything other than a friendship. And so Vincent became very important to her.

Which means that, during bloodlines and especially after it, she's at odds with herself. She both wants to make it work and doesn't really know *how* (poor girl never got this far), and so part of her wants to drop him off at the side of the road and leave. It'd be so much easier. But it's not really what she wants either. And Vincent has a bunch of mixed feelings too, but they have a lot more to do with *how* he approaches the relationship, not the fact he wants to deal with it at all. The way he sees it, whether it's romantic or not, he wants to make it work, he doesn't wanna leave. And so this means he tries to stay firmly put while she fluctuates between trying to push him away and pulling him back in.

They get stuck in this song and dance until one of them gives in, and this goes on even after they're romantically involved. But I do like to think they'd gradually learn to work through things, problems wouldn't be so scary anymore, and they'd settle in as a more mature couple in the future. I do like to be optimistic about them, and I think they genuinely could get to that point (maybe by themselves, maybe with some outside nudges). I just don't think it'd be an easy journey, but that they'd be willing to go through it anyway.

OHH that's a very interesting question 👀 SO I'm not great at describing voices or sounds in general so this is just what comes to mind fjdjjfjf but in my head he usually sounds like... soft spoken, a little gentle? His voice is low but not like, Deep. It's kind of quiet, but not fully monotone, and it sounds a little shaky or breathy sometimes, like you can hear a bit of his anxiety coming through.

The best example I found to this day(and it's the voice I try to picture when I'm writing dialogue w him and wanna check if it sounds right gjgjjv) is Charlie Barnett specifically as Alan in Russian Doll. I've watched interviews w the actor outside of the show and his voice doesn't sound quite right anywhere else, it's specifically as this character 🥲

Here's the trailer with Alan in case you're not familiar with the show:

It's something about the way he talks too, it reminds me of Vincent a lot. Not 100%, I think his voice sounds a little more stable most of the time(he tries to suppress that nervousness from his tone when talking to most people, especially strangers) and he comes off a little more stoic, but it's still the closest I could find fjjejekf

Yess same ✨️I picked my vampire Vincent for this since he went through some changes in the 80s and I think his fashion choices were kinda funny djjfkdkf

My boy went from:

an awkward 15 year old wearing clothes his mom bought for him, hanging onto every little bit of hair that grew on his face because he was *convinced* he could grow a beard(delusional)

to preppy college boy starting to dip his toes into fashion but still wearing some of the ugliest sweaters known to man (it was also around this time when he first grew The Mullet(my beloved) )

to brujah fledgling trying to blend in with the anarchs by "dressing the part" and getting his ass into unnecessary fights. That was also the only era in which he wore crop tops. Crop top vincent I miss you 😔 by the end of the 80s he was a completely changed man, in body and soul AND fashion sense

+ him in the vtmb timeline for comparison and also because uhm. I wanted to draw him one more time fjfjjckc

2. Do they have any scars?

- Not any notable ones, actually! Besides a few scratch marks from cats and a faded scar on his knee from when he fell from his bike as a kid, he doesn't have any scars. Most of the fights he's been in in his life were against his will and he tried to end them as soon as possible, so he never got hurt badly enough before his embrace to warrant any scars.

5. Where do they like to hang out?

- He usually feels safe at his haven, but when he needs to think or get away from everything he tends to seek places that are close to it but where he knows he'll be left alone. His apartment is in Hollywood and he used to hang out at the asian theater, but then the gargoyle took over. After that he tried hanging out at the cemetery, but that didn't last long with the whole zombie problem. Now he often hangs out at his apartment's rooftop when he needs isolation or more rarely at bars when he needs a distraction. He hangs out more often at the Vesuvius than the Asp Hole though, mostly bc he likes the music and he can chat with VV, who he isn't very close with but likes more than Ash Rivers.

6. How do they respond to criticism?

- Vincent has a couple of self esteem issues, and depending on how hard the criticism is, he'll beat himself up over it. At best, with the simplest and smallest criticisms, he'll be self conscious about it, but the more personal it gets the more anxious he feels and the more he'll keep tormenting himself in his head. He can improve, but he usually hurts himself in the process.

22. Do they have any regrets?

- Oh BOY does he have some regrets. He carries a lot of guilt with him, mostly over things that happened after his embrace that he still hasn't forgiven himself for. He regrets abandoning his college boyfriend without any explanation after being embraced, he regrets nearly killing his mother in a hunger frenzy(even though that was entirely out of his control) which led her to have a stroke, he regrets getting in a relationship with a ghoul he took once that nearly got the ghoul killed(which is when he decided having relationships with humans was a Bad Idea), and he regrets not having killed his sire- which is something that came back to bite him in the ass later when he embraced Pepper. That besides the times when he accidentally got people killed or fucked over, not bc of anybody else's decisions but his own rookie mistakes. My man does not know how to forgive himself and he carries it all with him, all the time.