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âBatmanâs refusal to kill, even when it means allowing known murderers to kill again, is not heroicâitâs selfish. Take the Joker. How many times has Batman caught him, only for him to escape and massacre innocent people? Batman knows Joker will never change, never be contained. Yet still, he insists on letting him live. And every time, more people die. Thereâs nothing moral about thatâjust arrogance."
A character analysis on Batmanâs moral absolutism vs. real-world consequences. (+ Red Hoodâs form of justice as a ideological opposite)
CONTENT WARNINGS
Violence (Physical harm, murder, brutality)
- Graphic depictions of violence, especially when discussing Batman and Red Hoodâs actions in their idea of justice, and how aggressive the prison-industry complex is to both abusers and victims.
- Includes discussions about Batmanâs refusal to kill versus Red Hoodâs more lethal approach, the justification of murder, and the Jokers murders (especially around Jason Todd)
Systemic Inequality & Prison/Justice System
- References to systemic issues, corruption in Gotham, and parallels with real-world institutions like the American police system.
- Critique of the criminal justice system, including prisons and the portrayal of Arkham Asylum as a stand-in for the prison-industrial complex.
- References to the issues within Gotham and real-world parallels, particularly how Batmanâs privilege as a billionaire impacts his choices.
Trauma & Mental Illness
- Batmanâs trauma from the death of his parents and Red Hoodâs trauma from being killed and resurrected.
- References to how distressing mental health causes crimes and needs to be systematically normalized and helped.
DISCLAIMER: Please donât take this as a personal attack against your favorite character or however you relate to them, this is not intended as hate or to call these characters bad or unherolike, just a leftist perspective on how they could improve on their justice systems.
READ ME HERE (BATMAN)
Iâve started to unintentionally hate Batman. For years he's upheld an image of being the ultimate moralistâa man who doesnât kill, who stands for justice above vengeance. But the more I think critically about it, the more that this entire persona feels hollow. It rests on the back of his privilege. Bruce Wayne is a billionaireâan upper-class white manâand that bleeds into everything he does as Batman
His version of âjusticeâ is deeply entangled with the law; a law that we know is broken, corrupt, and biasedâespecially in Gotham, where police and political officials are explicitly and obviously on mob payrolls or worse. Yet Batman still aligns himself with these institutions. He acts as though heâs separate from them, a moral force outside the system, but he works with the police, he uses their channels, and he lets the courts handle people he captures.
One of his famous lines is that he isnât "judge, jury, and executioner," but thatâs exactly what he is. He decides who deserves to be chased, who deserves to be brutalized, and who deserves to be locked up. And with his intelligence, he absolutely knows what will happen to these people. He knows the horrors of jail. He knows who will die, who will rot, and who will eventually escape. He calculates all of that information into his moral code and decides what he thinks is a fit punishment for a crimeâsomething is not his choice to make.
Itâs a moral fantasy built on ego. His refusal to kill is often painted as strength or principle, but it's ultimately about preserving his image of himself. âI wonât become like themâ sounds noble until you realize itâs less about ethics and more about identity. He wants to believe heâs better. That he's somehow untouched by the violence he enacts. But refusing to kill, even when it means allowing known murderers to kill again, is not heroicâitâs selfish.
Take the Joker. How many times has Batman caught him, only for him to escape and massacre dozens or hundreds of innocent people? Batman knows Joker will never change. He knows the system will never contain him. And still, he insists on letting him live. And every time, more people die. Thereâs nothing moral about thatâjust arrogance. In theory, yes, everyone deserves a second chance. But Batman isnât a philosopher, and his world isnât built to support healing and second chances, itâs made to punish and brutalize. Batman is supposed to be a protector of innocents. Thatâs his job, and he has to make the hard decisions. He has to choose what is better for the people despite his morals. Not out of vengeance, but out of necessity. When you're entrusted with protecting lives, you donât get to hide behind moral absolutism while people suffer.
He becomes a symbol of a certain kind of ideology. A rich man who beats up the poor and mentally ill while refusing to address the root causes of Gothamâs problems, many of which he profits from as Bruce Wayne. And people adore him for it because he makes them feel like justice can exist without sacrifice (without confronting oneâs own complicity, without personal moral failure) But real justice? Itâs messy. It's not about looking clean while doing what's easyâitâs about doing what's right, even when itâs ugly.
Honestly heâs a direct reflection of American policing, especially the way it's idealized in media.
A man who works outside the law but still collaborates with the police, who uses surveillance tech, torture like interrogation methods, and physical force with little to no oversight. He embodies the fantasy of a "good guy with power" who uses violence to âkeep order,â even if that order is deeply broken.
Batman decides who the threat is. Just like the police often do. He targets âcriminalsâ without addressing why crime exists. Gotham is filled with poverty, systemic corruption, cycles of abuse, and mental illness. But instead of investing in infrastructure, mental healthcare, or community safety, Batman punches muggers in alleys and throws mentally ill people in Arkham Asylumâa place thatâs basically a stand-in for the American prison-industrial complex. And then he walks away like the problem is solved. (Donât get me wrong, in the newer comics he does act more radically, and explores a modern solution, and Iâll talk about that in a bit.)
Thatâs American policing. A reactive force that rarely prevents violence and almost never addresses root causes. Like Batman, American cops claim to "serve and protect," but what they actually do is punish and control. And when they failâwhen people die, when prisons overflow, when violence continuesâthey donât take accountability. They say the system needs more funding, more weapons, more power.
And letâs not forget that Bruce Wayne is a billionaire. He could actually âfixâ Gotham. Fund housing, education, mental health clinics, jobs. But he doesnât. Because that wouldnât give him the same emotional satisfaction as suiting up and punching someone through a wall. It wouldnât maintain the fantasy of being both traumatized and righteous.
Batman believes that he alone knows whatâs right. Thatâs dangerous. It mirrors the mindset of American cops who believe theyâre above the law because they ARE the law. No matter how many times Batman causes collateral damage or perpetuates Gothamâs suffering, the narrative always forgives him. Just like how police are almost never held accountable for systemic failure or brutality. Because the myth of the hero must be protectedâeven if the people suffer for it.
But to be fair in more recent comics thereâs been a noticeable shift in how Batman is writtenâespecially as writers and readers alike become more critical of the capitalist, conservative and authoritarian elements that defined him for decades. DC is starting to fiddle with the uncomfortable truth that Batman, in many ways, mirrors the failures of real-world policing and systemic inequality. And some newer stories have made deliberate moves to challenge that.
Modern Batman isnât as rigid, detached, or brutal as he used to be. Some writers have started to explore a more self-aware Bruce Wayneâsomeone whoâs actually engaging with his privilege and trying to do better, not just punch harder. Heâs been funding social programs in Gotham, building better mental health infrastructure, and working with marginalized groups and vigilantes from the streets who donât have the luxury of billion-dollar tech. In some issues, heâs even explicitly shifted away from working with the GCPD because he recognizes how corrupt and violent they are.
Even with all the recent character growth, where Batman is more compassionate, more socially aware, and even funding progressive infrastructureâheâs still deeply entangled in a system built on corruption. Thatâs the trap of his character. Because no matter how much he personally evolves, Batman still believes in law as the ultimate tool of justice, itâs a key point of his character, but the law itself is inherently flawed.
He might recognize that the Gotham Police Department is corrupt. He might distance himself from them, or even call them out. But he still puts people into prisons. He still trusts institutions like Arkham Asylum. He still believes that the system, if just operated by the âright people,â will work. Thatâs the fantasyâone rooted in liberalism: that reform is enough. That institutions are neutral. That the problem is bad actors, not the structure itself.
But in Gothamâand in America specificallyâthose structures were never neutral to begin with (Police beginning as slave patrols, prisons starting as a system of punishment and labor exploitation, with the post-slavery convict leasing system re-enslaving Black people for forced labor, etc). Arkham doesn't rehabilitate, it tortures. Prisons donât reform, they disappear and isolate people. Cops donât keep communities safe, they uphold power. And even when Batman tries to fix thingsâfund shelters, mental health clinics, community initiativesâhe's doing it all through the lens of a benevolent billionaire. Heâs still deciding what gets funded, who gets saved, what justice looks like. Thatâs not liberation, that's control.
So despite Batman becoming more left-leaning in modern stories, as long as he still operates within the same legal and moral frameworkâone that centers punishment, isolation, and billionaire saviorismâheâll always be upholding the same system he claims to fight.
Because Batmanâs core dilemma isnât just âshould I kill or not?â Itâs âcan I protect the people without tearing down the very system that keeps hurting them?â
And so far he hasn't had the guts to answer that
READ ME HERE (RED HOOD)
Red Hood is often held up as the ideological opposite to Batmanâand for good reason. Where Batman refuses to kill, Red Hood kills without hesitation. He doesnât believe in Arkham, or the courts, or second chances. He knows the system is corrupt and that it lets criminals walk free. And unlike Bruce, Hood doesnât just acknowledge that, he acts on it.
In that way, Red Hood is more grounded in reality. He sees the failures of the legal system and doesnât pretend reform is coming. He knows the Joker will never change. He knows serial rapists, abusers, pedophiles, and crime lords will slip through the cracks. So he picks up a gun and says, âIâll do what Batman wonât.â He puts them down permanently, claiming heâs protecting the innocent by removing those beyond saving.
At first glance it feels righteous. Like he's the honest version of Batmanâno more moral gymnastics, no more tying up murderers for the cops to mishandle. But dig deeper and Red Hood isnât doing the right thing. Heâs just doing what feels right. His justice isnât based on principlesâitâs based on anger
Because Red Hood isnât actually fixing anything. Heâs deciding who deserves to live and who deserves to die. Heâs not just killing genocidal unchangeable supervillain warlordsâheâs killing street-level criminals, dealers, gang members, people he sees as âirredeemable.â He becomes judge, jury, and executionerâbut not from a place of balance or mercy, only vengeance. Heâs operating from his trauma, not from a higher moral ground. And thatâs dangerous.
This makes him less like an antihero and more like a metaphor for a frustrated, disillusioned liberal society (which reflects most of Americans today)âone that sees how corrupt everything is, but channels its rage in a way that doesnât build anything. Itâs the mindset of: âBurn it down, theyâre all scum anyway.â It recognizes the system is irredeemable, but instead of imagining better systems, it just replaces institutional violence with personal violence. It feels radical, but itâs just another form of control.
Red Hood doesnât protect peopleâhe punishes. And that distinction matters.
Real justice isnât about who deserves to be saved. Itâs about asking why people become who they are, and whether we can build a world where they never have to. Red Hood doesn't want to build anythingâhe just wants to destroy what he hates. And that might be satisfying, but it isnât stopping abusers from becoming abusers, just stopping them after the fact.
Murdering criminals as a form of punishment may feel like satisfying revenge but it ultimately fails to deliver true justice. Justice isnât about causing more pain or balancing one personâs suffering with anotherâs. Inflicting harm in response to harm doesnât undo the original damageâit only spreads trauma and perpetuates cycles of violence. When society chooses execution, isolation, or jail over rehabilitation, it sacrifices long-term safety and healing for short-term emotional relief. True justice must go beyond punishment to prevent further harm
At this point in time, both in real life and in the comicsâchoosing, or acting on revenge over rehabilitation is not just a personal preference; itâs an active choice that harms survivors
When society or characters prioritize punishment and retribution above healing and accountability, they reinforce cycles of violence that make survivors less safe, not more. Revenge focuses on making the offender suffer and ignores the real needs of survivors. It also distracts from addressing the root causes of harm, such as mental illness and systemic failures.
Rehabilitation recognizes that people who commit crimes, even serious ones like rape and murder, are human beings with rights and lives and capable of change.
While some offenders may never fully repair the damage they caused they can learn, grow, and reintegrate into society when given the right support and accountability. This process centers on accountabilityânot erasing or excusing wrongdoingâbut on transformation, prevention, and restoration. It allows everyone to heal without witnessing endless cycles of violence and vengeance. Most importantly, rehabilitation aims to protect future potential victims by addressing root causes of harmful behavior rather than simply removing some offenders from society and furthering abuse
But I do agree there are situations that would require Red Hoodâs methods. Like the Joker: people who have been given several chances at positive change, who cannot be kept institutionalized because they keep escaping, and who continue to hurt masses of people. Because despite what would be a radical and better solution then what Hood or Batman does, there is not a system or a society currently that could provide that for extreme re-offenders, and people like the Joker.
Morally and socially, I donât believe in murder to control or govern a people, but it is his job to protect the innocents, and sometimes he has to make the morally incorrect choice for them.
In the end, despite their different ways, both Batman and Red Hood participate and actively support the system that causes violence in Gotham by refusing to dismantle or fundamentally challenge the corrupt institutions and social structures that enable that violence to start. They focus on fighting symptoms rather than addressing root causes, because doing so would force them to give up their control, their sense of purpose, and the clear-cut identity theyâve built around being vigilantes.
Further Explanation of Rehabilitation over Revenge
Rehabilitation is ultimately more effective than revenge because revenge, especially in the case of severe crimes like abuse and rape, is driven by emotionâa desire for justice, closure, or punishment that may feel satisfying in the moment but doesnât address the root causes of the harm. Executing or punishing a criminal may temporarily provide a sense of justice or emotional relief for survivors, but it doesnât stop the cycle of violence, nor does it help the abuser confront and work through the underlying factors that led to their harmful behavior.
Rehabilitation, on the other hand, focuses on understanding what caused the harm in the first placeâwhether itâs trauma, learned behavior, mental health issues, or societal influencesâand actively working to address these root causes. By providing support like therapy, accountability, and education, rehabilitation offers the potential for change, reducing the likelihood of reoffending and helping the individual understand the impact of their actions.
Rather than continuing the cycle of violence through punishment, rehabilitation opens the possibility of healingâfor both the survivor and the abuser. When abusers and rapists are given the tools to acknowledge their actions, understand the harm theyâve caused, and take responsibility, they have a better chance of reintegrating into society without perpetuating the same harm. This is a more logical, compassionate, and long-term solution than simply resorting to retribution, which only perpetuates further trauma and violence.
I understand that the subject matter may seem inseparable sometimes, that's why it's so extremely important not to make light of such serious language like anything Big Three related when someone is referring an archetype of fictional character.
It creates burnout in the person reading that eventually becomes an outright dismissal of any and all abuse accusations with "Ugh, they're just complaining about Onimai or Madoka or whatever."
It won't matter if there are real victims vouching for your post, or even if it was posted by one-such survivor, after the reader finds that the likelihood that they'll stop reading and stop caring gets a little higher. Apathy then grows overall.
THIS is why equating fiction with reality is damaging to victims, especially when done so often and so brazenly: because victims are NOT fictional characters.
Victims are not narrative constructs created in someone else's imagination for the sole purpose of providing entertainment.
Victims are not forever-convienent talking points with which internet strangers can gossip about each other.
Victims are not fandom discourse or drama.
Please stop treating them as such, you're causing more harm than good.
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âitâs hypocrisy for people who celebrated the idf killing sinwar & nasrallah to be appalled by people celebrating luigi mangione killing brian thompson; either you care about sanctity of life no matter what or youâre okay with celebrating killing terrible peopleâ
as someone who isnât really celebrating either, but is more worried about the latter than the former, I would like to present another option.
there is a fundamental difference between:
killing a member of a military structure as an act of war VS. extrajudicial vigilantism and murder against another citizen
a terrorist organization that exists to destroy a country & slaughter its civilians directly carrying out a massacre with clearcut genocidal intentions VS. a healthcare company that exists to both provide coverage for care to its customers and profit to its shareholders making decisions that indirectly lead to death through a failure to provide care when they prioritize profit over care
an agreed upon military action by official members of a structure that has (ostensibly, or at least is supposed to have) a means of oversight/accountability VS. one rogue person serving as judge, jury & executioner with no oversight or accountability
a military attack that deals a significant & strategic blow to a structure that exists to cause harm VS. a lone act of violence that leaves the injustice structure intact and at most disrupts the means to provide healthcare coverage within that system
on multiple levels, the situations are different. this isnât saying there isnât severe injustice in how healthcare coverage is provided, or that Brian Thompson was in no way responsible for his part in it, but there are shades of bad, and in every aspect, theyâre multiple steps removed in ways that severely change the dynamics.
yeah, if you squint your eyes until all details blur away and boil everything down to âbad person gets bad thingâ they start to look the same, but that is a fundamentally unhelpful & childish way to look at the world.
should powerful people who make unjust decisions & have a larger share in the diffuse responsibility for terrible injustices receive no consequences just because theyâre not directly masterminding it, or itâs an indirect consequence of other goals, or âitâs not personal; itâs just good businessâ? no, of course not. but there is good reason that we as a society have a concept of criminal negligence, and we recognize the difference between manslaughter versus murder. theyâre just fundamentally different things.
no, intention isnât everything, but it isnât nothing. passively allowing violence isnât not violent, but it is still categorically different from actively engaging in violence or directly commanding it. indirect responsibility isnât no responsibility, but it isnât the same as direct responsibility.
it can absolutely be helpful to build a fence around certain offensesââdonât do x because itâs adjacent/can lead to yââto make it less likely that the worse offense will occur or to keep people from abusing gray areas and claiming plausible deniability. but there is a limit to how far you can take that before it starts to do the opposite.
when we keep expanding the criteria of guilt to include more and more steps away from direct, intentional harm as equal to the direct/intentional version of that offense, and we lower the criteria for who metes out justice to just any guy with a gun, and we put the power of judge jury & executioner all in a single personâs hands and we allow the maximum sentence (execution) for even indirect/unintentional systemic harm⌠weâre creating a powder keg just waiting to explode into mass, unchecked, open violence and throwing matches at it. and thatâs not even getting into all the people chomping at the bit just waiting to use this permission structure to attack Jews and queer people
I donât know when we, the three opinions people, started embracing this dualistic extreme black-and-white thinking where things had to all always be x or y way, but we need to do better. cheering on the expansion of vigilantism into extrajudicial execution for untried alleged criminal negligence & corporate manslaughter is a significantly different beast to crab raving or dancing in the streets when a guy who directly masterminded massacres, ruled a totalitarian regime, or dedicated his life to final solution 2: electric boogaloo gets hit as part of a war.