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Wasn't this a handwave of the type similar to how Hogwarts is made to look like a derelict castle to Muggles in HP? It sounds to me more like the implications weren't thought through by CC.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but NO SHIT. 

(I truly do mean that in the nice way, there is no sarcasm, I am just very frustrated with CC right now <3)

Except no, not even, because as much as I deplore the worldbuilding of HP, making one building invisible/look like something else is not even in the same stratosphere as RESIZING THE DAMN PLANET AND ASSUMING NO ONE WOULD NOTICE.

(RE invisibility, see number 5 on this list. Science is cool).

The alternative is that, as a matter of cartography, the “continents” that Gideon sees are simply the areas that the Nephilim control, and all “mundane” areas are blanked out. To take your Antarctica example, Gideon would just see the shape of Nephilim territory there, and not the shape of Antarctica as we know it. Then there could be something like a Sahara-shaped continent where the Sahara actually is, ignoring the rest of Antarctica.

How are you replying to the original post, I swear I didn’t do the function that lets people ‘answer’ it?

That is a really interesting point - the maps Gideon is used to are only of the Shadow World, and the ones he saw in the quote are maps of the entire, actual world... I like it. (I may have misunderstood you - it might be the other way around you meant, with the maps - but still, the point stands).

But then, the maps he saw also included territories, and a sea, which he’d never heard of, which are then presumably not under Shadowhunter control? 

You could argue that the Silver Sea is just a Nephilim/other creature name for a sea we know by a different name, I guess, actually. 

I’m trying to picture this...Wouldn’t Europe still have to be a physically bigger landmass than as we know it, though, because Idris is still between France and Germany? 

Also, I feel like this idea might be contradicted by another quote from the Infernal Devices trilogy

Charlotte always found the experience of examining mundane globes a strange one. Their world was not the same shape as the one she knew.

...although I guess, looking at it, it doesn’t directly contradict your theory. The Shadowhunter maps/globes could typically only show those areas under Shadowhunter control, and thus mundane maps/globes, which show the WHOLE world, look odd to them...

That being said, that still doesn't resolve the fact that with modern technology and satellite imagery, combined with human derring-do, means that we know almost every corner of Earth even if it can't support life - or if we don't already know now, we will within the next 50 years.

This is entirely true, and occurred to me as well. One has to assume that satellites can’t pick up on hidden lands because of the wards? (BUT HOW - do the wards extend into space??? How far do they extend? There has to be a limit, right, they can’t be infinite.) But there really aren’t that many places completely inhospitable to humans. 

And even if the hidden lands are in inhospitable places + warded, that STILL doesn’t change the fact that, assuming all the hidden lands have wards like Idris’, mundane maps are STILL going to be inaccurate because they will be teleported from one border of a hidden land to the next. So the mundane maps are still wrong, and the planet is still bigger than the mundanes are aware of.

Idgi why is the trashbag edgy

this is why you need to walk through fields of grass and jump 'cross hedges to get back home

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