season 3 showed us that schneider being around his father turns him into the worst version of himself while being around the alvarez family helps him be better. though he really likes avery and missed her while they were apart, itâs not clear where on that scale she falls yet??? which worries me for him.
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I feel bad for not caring about Avery and Schneider on the show. I mean what do they even have in common besides being rich and hating it. Maybe itâs because they donât show them as a couple or even her as a character much. Idk, they are just so boring to me. She does seem nice and sheâs beautiful and I love that they are married in real life but as a couple on the show? I just canât see it
Okay, this is totally you asking for an essay on Schneider and Avery, right? Whoops youâre getting one anyway because I have so many feelings about them and so many opinions I havenât had much reason to dig into yet.
The genius of Schneider and Avery is that the actors playing them, real-life marrieds Todd & India, have the MOST ridiculous chemistry.
The problem with Schneider and Avery isâŚthe exact same thing.
The Backstory
I knew long before S3 came out that Schneider was getting a love interest this season, and that she was going to be played by Toddâs wife, who I wasnât familiar with at all besides his Instagram photos. Iâm not even sure I knew she was an actress until they announced her guest starring role. Because they announced it early, I had a lot of time to build up anxiety over it.
Iâm as deep into this fandom as I am because I ship Schneider with Penelope. I love the show exactly as it is, and if they never become canon I wonât love it any less, but that doesnât change the fact that: 1) I watched the show; 2) I started shipping them; 3) I decided to write my first fic for a sitcom because of them; 4) through fic I made friends and developed headcanons and made more friends and managed to keep writing through some really rough life events; and 5) then from filming announcements and through the fandom, I found out Avery was coming and that the show was going to be including the weird Pen/Schneider sibling vibe in S3.
So before S3 premiered I was really, genuinely scared I might not enjoy S3 as much as I adored S2. What if I hated it? What if I hated Schneiderâs new girlfriend??? I wanted to like her so much because I knew the actress was Toddâs wife, but I had no idea if I COULD because I had no idea how they were going to include her or who she would be. And Iâve never hated Penelopeâs love interests just because I like her with Schneider, but I had also met several of those by the end of S2. Schneider getting a girlfriend was new.
1. Todd and India have more than their fair share of chemistry. Who do I speak to about that?
Then, in 3x03, we meet Schneiderâs new love interestâand I was basically Schneider (as I often am). From the glasses that donât succeed at all in dulling how gorgeous she is to her nerdy interests and apparent mild social anxiety (when she asked âare you making fun of me?â so sincerely, my heart just wentâŚoh. oh okay.) I thought she was adorable and funny and even more than that, Iâm SO weak for devoted men, I canât even tell you.
Well, I donât have to tell you. If youâve read anything Iâve ever written about Penelope and Schneider, you know. I love men who love women so much they would do anything for them, especially when theyâre quietly selfless about it but so in love that it just radiates out of them.
Thatâs how Schneider has always acted with Penelope, a little bit, even when he wasnât trying. Thatâs why I fell for the ship.
But thatâs also how TODD acts, opposite Indiaâto a ridiculous degree, in a way that isnât acting at all. You can feel it hitting you through the television, how lucky he feels just to be with her, just to be NEAR her. Itâs so sweet, I die. Schneider/Avery isnât even my OTP and Iâm gonna make them a gifset at some point, just because I cannot handle the fact that Todd looks at his wife that way, every time he focuses on her.
So because this is clearly going to be long, to sum up point 1: Todd Grinnell, who plays Schneider, and his offscreen wife India de Beaufort, who plays Avery? Absolutely fantastic couple. Iâm totally rooting for them, these strangers I donât actually know. Just because watching them act together is a beautiful thing.
Also because India is a sweet human who told me on Twitter that the little nose rub between them after they reunite in 3x13 was improvised by them, not scripted. And you better believe I could not love that more if I tried. THEY ARE CUTE. Conclusion one.
2: Schneider and Avery have too little screen time to make sense as a couple.
ODAAT as a show is so strong because it holds the Alvarez/Riera family at its core and builds everything around them. Youâre supposed to fall in love with them first, and grow to love the supporting characters around them, as you slowly learn more about them.
Now, in some cases, itâs not a slow process. It didnât take me long to love Carmen or Schneiderâit only took me one scene to love Syd. But the showâs purpose isnât those characters, at least not at first. Itâs Penelopeâs family. And the rewarding thing about ODAAT is that the definition of âfamilyâ grows and envelopes more of the characters, as time goes on.
Because Schneider was still a (fabulous, lovable) supporting character before S3, he was on the outside a bit, along with Dr. B. I think you can look at the show like a set of circles, with Penelope and Lydia and Elena and Alex in the center circle, then with Schneider & Dr. B. and Syd one ring just outside of that, revolving around them. The support group, most of Penelopeâs love interests, and Elena and Alexâs friends are a ring outside of that.
S3 widened the inner circle and pulled Schneider in. It was the first season to actually dig into his backstory, the family he comes from, his sobriety. And while it was amazing, it was still just a start. It was the beginning of showing him as a full family member. It put him in the center circle, and that meant giving him more focused scenes, more story.
But the show is still also about the whole family, and S3 has the same amount of episodes as the first two did. The show included more Schneider, but still only fit in so much. And one consequence of that is that his relationship with Avery exists almost entirely offscreen. They told us more about it than they  showed, and let Todd and Indiaâs chemistry fill in the gaps, the unanswered questions.
3. What we actually saw onscreen when it comes to Schneider and Avery.
A meet-cute, which was pretty well-done. We learn sheâs a geek along with him, that theyâre compatible in at least that one way. We learn they like each other pretty instantly, which isnât always believable, but the showâs got to move at a fast pace and I respect that. We learn he likes her enough to argue with Nikki, and she likes him enough to do the same. Sheâs no pushover, and she inspires him to be stronger. A good start.
Schneider spends some time with Penelope in the next episode and Avery doesnât come up at all. When we see her again, Schneiderâs about to have his first real date with her, as far as I can tell, on Valentineâs Day. (No pressure or anything.) Itâs clear that Penelope and Avery have met by now, though we donât know when or how. By the end of the episode we know that Schneider and Avery spent most of their first date lying to each other.
The big reveal, that they have even more in common than they thought, was super predictable to me but still funny, and my only problem with it is that once they land that plot twist, it becomes Averyâs entire personality. Sheâs no longer the quirky kindergarten teacher who gets along with Schneider the hobbyist because she loves to write poems and appreciates his niche interests.
Now, sheâs his rich girlfriend. They get along because when he needs to fix his expensive hot tub, she can suggest they just pay someone to do it. The next time we see her, Averyâs entire existence is a few lines that show how well she gets along with his father because HAHAHA money. And then? We donât see her at all until her surprise return in the finale.
5. What we didnât see onscreen between Schneider and Avery.
Offscreen, as far as I can tell, they had other dates, they seem like they were serious enough to probably have had sex, she clearly was invited to some dinners etc with the family (though we donât know if she went), before he started drinking again and they broke up and then she avoided him completely until Lydia convinced her to give him another chance.
We know Schneider completely blames himself for their breakup, but we have literally no idea what happened to send her running scared. Did he start drinking in secret and she caught him? Did he start drinking around her openly because he thought her reaction would be different from his familyâs? Did she leave him because of the drinking or because of some specific thing that happened while Schneider was drunk or for some other reason entirely???
Based on their conversation in the finale, something happened, whatever it was. And Avery definitely knew he needed to be sober, otherwise why else would she be scared to try again?
Therefore the single biggest conundrum that S3 left me with, especially the more I rewatched, was this:
Avery knew Schneider well enough to know he wasnât supposed to be drinking, or enough to tell there was a problem when his drinking came to her attention. SOMETHING happened that was bad enough for them to break up, and for her to ghost him after.
Avery also knew that Schneiderâs family of choice was Penelope and her mom and her kids. Sheâd met them often enough to be able to talk to them politely, to know where they live.
Why didnât she say ANYTHING to ANYONE in that apartment as soon as things with Schneider imploded????
How is it that she could be aware enough of Schneiderâs life to know his family/best friends, aware enough to be worried about his sobriety, and worried enough to decide they had no future, but not tell his family what was going on when she was clearly aware of it long before they were??
Even if she was unhappy and uncomfortable and didnât want to get into relationship details with Penelope, she could have just mentioned the drinking part and cut off all further communication! She could have left a note at their door!! She works at Elena and Alexâs school teaching the little kids, presumably she might sometimes run into them on school groundsâŚand she never said anything.
It drives me crazy because maybe thereâs a reasonable explanation for that, for all of it, but I would have no idea what it is, because all of that happened offscreen and wasnât explored.
6. Why it matters.
With the family at the showâs core, and Schneider only recently included in that center, Avery falls in the outer ring. But because S3 tried to give Schneider more without giving the rest of the family less, there just wasnât room to flesh out Avery enough.
If you compare her to Max in S2, we saw him interact with the whole family on multiple occasions. Because of that, we got to know him as more than just âPenelopeâs casual sex buddy who she was friends with years ago.â He and Pen werenât my OTP either, but I genuinely liked them together because we understood why they worked. We saw them survive conflicts, face problems, have real conversations.
With Avery, we saw her and Schneider meet and then we saw them present fake bios to each other before the truth came out, and then we saw her be the perfect rich-son girlfriend before disappearing. Their conflicts were left to our imagination. Their deeper moments were left to our imagination. When they get back together, we see Avery after sheâs already decided to try again, and Schneider apologizing for whatever exactly happened that we may never know.
As viewers, we can interpret that as generously as we want, but it still leaves us with a relationship that weâre told mattersâŚbecause weâre told it does. Though I love Schneider and I hate seeing him in pain, âheâs sad without herâ is not a detailed case for why he belongs with Avery. And âbecause Lydia vouched for himâ is absolutely not a good enough explanation for why Avery belongs with him.
Even looking at it as though what we learned about her in the beginning holds true, weâre left to assume that Avery loves him enough to support him through his recovery and rebuild trust, becauseâŚtheyâre both pretty nerds with similar feelings about their family money? And he loves her so much he was in hell without herâŚbecause to him sheâs a âperfect angel womanâ (which is so painfully idealistic of him, it makes sense for him but is also begging for him to be crushed again when she falls off that pedestal).
There are as many red flags in the screen time we do see as there are reasons to root for them. She claims to be miserable with inherited money just like he is, but sheâs way more comfortable relying on it, talking about it in ways that we just donât see Schneider do. And the whole point when Schneiderâs father visits is that Schneider is not who Lawrence wants him to beâbut as far as we know, Avery isnât putting on an act to get along with him, the way Schneider does. She just IS enough like him. Sheâs very at ease on his level.
And donât even get me started on Avery stopping Schneiderâs joy over being an Alvarez to make him focus back on her. Itâs a joke, but itâs also not a good sign for their future, if any part of her isnât 100% comfortable with how important to him the whole family is.
7. My grand unifying theory.
Iâm convinced that her lack of dimensions, and their relationship lacking depth as much as it does, is because writing Avery in involved bringing India on. Iâm not saying I wish they hadnât!! Again, I adore her. But itâs a problem, and hereâs why.
Every serious love interest weâve seen Penelope have, from Victor to Mateo, is in her orbit mainly, but also interacts with the rest of her life. Max got to know everybody, counseling Alex, being pestered by Schneider, flirted with by Lydia, etc. Victor was central to her life for a long time, so we learn a lot about him through his many family scenes. Mateo has scenes with Penelope mainly, but heâs around the family enough that we learn about him based on that proximityâhow he feels about Alex, how his background compares to her familyâs.
Avery is Schneiderâs first serious love interest, and we see her interact withâŚSchneider. No conversations between her and Lydia, only one exchange with Penelope when Avery tries to mistakenly console her over being single, then they never directly speak again. Avery doesnât ever talk to the kids, though theyâre super important to his life.
As a show, ODAAT never made me consider the Bechdel test until I was trying to include Avery in an edit about the female character interactions and I realized that that one moment with Pen is the only one. As a character, her entire point, and focus, and existence even, is about Schneider. It wouldnât be so weird if she were just another Stick Girl, but weâve seen her included in family events. We know she knows the people in his life. We just donât see her ever talk to any of them, and I donât think that was a choice they made to keep her character secluded so much as it was a natural result of adding a character to the outer ring whose only purpose in the story is to date Schneider.
So they created a girlfriend for Schneider, and they worked her into the story enough to give them a relationship, and to make their breakup and reunion important plot points for Schneiderâs S3 arc.
And because the show was more focused on the family, Averyâs character was only included where she absolutely had to be, to hit those plot points.
And because the actors have chemistry enough to sell it, ODAAT called that good enough for their characters and that relationship and kept moving.
Itâs clear from social media that the cast and crew of the show adore Todd and India, and adore their onscreen relationship just as much. Because of that, Iâm not sure if maybe theyâre a little blinded to what the whole thing is like for the rest of us, who donât know them personally, who donât see Schneider/Avery first as an adorable ship starring these two cute dorks that so clearly are meant to be because the actors are.
But whatever the reason, I think a lot of the people involved in the show ship it harder than the viewers do. I ship Schneider/Avery because she makes him happy and the actors are fun to watch, but I hope theyâre not endgame for all the above reasons.
Schneider deserves love and a future with someone, and even if he doesnât end up with my personal choice for his ideal match, I still want that someone to make sense. I want to be able to root for them for reasons that exist in canon. If the show gets more seasons and we see Schneider and Avery work on/through some issues, if we see him start to treat her like a flawed person he loves rather than like someone he doesnât deserve at allâŚif we get to see how the other important people in his life relate to herâŚthen Iâll be more on board.
But after S3, all I can say with certainty is that Todd and India make Schneider and Avery watchableâŚbut they canât carry the whole relationship based on their chemistry alone.
whatever they're doing with alvareider confuses me? there's schneider being a part of the family and the sibling jokes but they're also the person the other goes to when they need someone..
Not to mention they were both basically dating the opposite sex version of themselves?
yeeeeah so S3 confused me so much the first time I watched it that I had to rewatch and write this endless meta to sort out the contradictory dynamic theyâve given them at this point. after doing that, I not only felt better but also less confused. you have to assume both that schneiderâs trying to force his relationship with penelope onto familial grounds for Reasons and believe that every moment between them that seems blatantly shippy is part of a larger planâŚbut once you do that S3 is way more interesting.Â
and yes their choices in partners in S3 is really quite something, but i think that for penelope it makes senseâin both victor and max she found another soldier with a sense of duty and lots of passion, and when those relationships didnât work out, she turned to mateo, who shares her intense focus on family and who she works well with. first she learned that she needs a partner who shares her values and future goals, and then she learned that that alone isnât enough, she needs a guy who can bring that AND the passion. but from the guys weâve seen, most men sheâs willing to give a real chance to have a lot in common with her.
schneiderâs girlfriend is definitely more puzzling to me because it makes sense that he would appreciate having a similar background in commonâŚexcept it also doesnât, because everything we saw in S1 & 2 showed us a guy who built his life as far from his upbringing as possible. the idea that itâs a good thing for him that his girlfriend is also privileged (but way happier to wield that privilege casually, in contrast to the way heâs very careful about how he displays his) is weird.
i absolutely expect s4 to somehow confront the fact that averyâs way too different from the alvarezes for schneiderâs worlds to be able to coexist comfortably. the fact that avery got along with schneiderâs father delightfully well before schneider had to kick him out of the building in order to make it clear that he chooses his real family? to me doesnât bode well for the schnavery future. (though avery as a character is hecka cute and i love her.)
oh and also, as his first serious relationship, schneider totally has avery up on a pedestal that nobody could live up to, so iâm worried itâll either crush him when they have to deal with conflicts beyond his sobriety and he realizes sheâs flawed too, or that heâll keep blaming himself for any issues they have because he sees her as so amazing and perfect. schneider deserves better than that.
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hi I donât know if you know but todd said in an interview he doesnât know if Schneiderâs going to be able to stay in a serious relationship with Avery because it might get in the way of him spending time with the Alvarezs and described that situation as a tug of war which I think is really interesting
I DID SEE THAT on twitter when the article was posted and I love it so much because I was surprised that didnât happen in S3 already. I love Avery but sheâs clearly more comfortable with her wealthy lifestyle and background than Schneider seemed in S1 & 2, despite her professed guilt about it. Itâs hard to see her world meshing with the Alvarezesâ and there has to be some tension between his chosen family wanting him to be happy and also having gotten used to him being a big part of their lives. The fact that Toddâs already talking about that gives me a lot to look forward to in S4 because an unrealistically happy Schnavery storyline wouldnât be fun or believable when itâs his first serious relationship and they already broke up once during the early stages.
okay but can we talk about how the only reason schneider is actually able to be with avery is because of penelope and her family??? this is a guy who used to say âthereâs no such thing as loveâ...but what he really meant was that he didnât deserve love and would never find it because he believed he was so deeply flawed and hard to love that it was safer to opt for casual sex or nothing at all. two years later he finds avery, who shares his eccentricities and his privileged guilt, and i swear the only reason heâs actually capable of falling for her and trying to make it work is because penelope trusted him and opened up her heart and her family to him and made him feel like heâd successfully gotten it together enough that loving someone and being loved back were possible and i think thatâs beautiful