you're telling me that phoinix, a man who was cursed to never have children, gets to be repeatedly addressed as a father by men he has no blood relation to 🥹
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you're telling me that phoinix, a man who was cursed to never have children, gets to be repeatedly addressed as a father by men he has no blood relation to 🥹

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Did anyone else cry during book 9 of the Iliad when Phoinix started talking about how he considered Achilles to be his own when he couldn't have children. The way he spoke about helping raise him sickened me so deeply.
Achilles in all his prideful actions hurt many, friends and foes, but Phoinix is never really mentioned among them.
I just feel as if it's sad that Phoinix had to watch the boy he raised as his own- cutting his food and dealing with his spit-up as a baby- turn into an intractabley rage-filled man.
once you get deranged enough you can easily view phoinix begging achilles to return to the fight by reminding him he raised him as a baby as a direct parallel to hecuba baring her breasts at hector pleading with him not to fight. notice how phoinix specifically recalls how the chest of his tunic was drenched with achilles' spit up wine, much like the leakage from a nursing person's breasts. sustenance for a young child soaking through the adult's shirt... i stand BY my phoinix-as-a-mother-figure-rather-than-a-father-figure agenda
The embassy to Achilles.
Illustration by Willy Pogany from the book The adventures of Odysseus and the tale of Troy (1918) by Padraic Colum
whenever i'm reminded of this amphora of achilles with his two moms (phoinix and thetis) i can't help but laugh because it's like somebody broke it specifically to victimize me
let me see that old man!!! do you understand how few labeled phoinix pottery depictions we have!

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I think the tragedy of Achilles and Patroclus becomes even more poignant when you remember Phoinix survives the war.
Imagine being Phoinix, aged and wise, and having to know that this boy you raised alongside your prince died because of what you told him. Having to realize that your beloved prince's broken, ruined state was because of your advice.
And then watching him die - watching him crave death as a starving man craves food - and having to watch as his son, the final, fragile remnants of your beloved ward, enters the battle that took his father, his animal brutality and cruelty
Thetis gives the divine armor to Achilles
Illustration by Bonaventura Genelli, 1844
The embassy to Achilles. Patroclus leans over Achilles as they listen to the arguments of Phoinix, Ajax and Odysseus
Illustration by Bonaventura Genelli, 1844