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(1) Alastor actually convinces Vaggie and Lucifer not to threaten Vox. Ironically the guy from the 1930s is better at politics and PR than certain present day people.

(2) Alastor puts himself in the way of Charlie’s anger towards Lucifer and comforts Lucifer when Charlie tells him to go. Maybe Alastor follows Lucifer cause he’s worried about him.

Unfortunately he'd have to know about their plan to interfere with it, and since he no longer has his magic shadow and Vaggapalooza and Lucifer had that meeting in the privacy of Lucifer's 'no Alastors allowed' bedroom, he probably won't get the notice. Even if he did know, I don't think he'd really be against threatening Vox into submission either. He doesn't have much faith in the hotel or redemption, and is only really sticking around for protection. The hotel's reputation isn't a factor for him. The only reason he'd be against the plan is if he also knew about Lucifer's restriction. He'd clock Lucifer as being terrible at bluffing immediately and call him out on it. Unfortunately, I also doubt that Lucifer would listen to him.

Seeing Lucifer cower from Charlie would definitely be a reversal of how Alastor thinks of the usual parent-child dynamic. I don't think Lucifer was ever scared of Charlie hurting him and I don't think Alastor would worry about that either; Lucifer was just mortified and Charlie was (somewhat understandably) pissed. Even so, the visual is extremely jarring. Assuming Alastor hasn't been kidnapped and locked in a tower at this point, I'm not sure that he'd step in--really depends on how far I get with developing his and Lucifer's dynamic at this point--but I can see him making some pointed comments to Charlie in the aftermath. In that weird, sadistic way where he sounds gleefully approving of her cruel words and has her drowning in guilt. Maybe inspiring her to call and apologize to Lucifer for blowing up at him soon enough to avoid falling for a certain scam call.

Remember when you told me Jeremy Jordan voices both Varian from Tangled and Lucifer from Hazbin Hotel?

Well I checked Varian’s songs or more specifically “Let Me Make You Proud.”

The song made me imagine Lucifer attempting to reconcile again with Etienne. This time is much better and with much more sincerity and conviction because he was given counsel by Husk and Cherri who have better IQ and EQ and life experience than Charlie.

He asks Etienne to believe in him one more time. For one more chance. That yes she’s right to have doubts in him and he has made mistakes and disappointed her but to believe in him this one time and she’ll be surprised. He’ll save the day(or their family) and make her proud of him.

I imagine it as an uplifting scene full of hope for Lucifer that even manages to move Etienne’s heart. Enough for her to hesitate and hope again.

(An alternative is in a much later part of the story. Lucifer singing this song to Charlie, swearing to not let her down and that he’ll get Etienne back from Roo.)

I also imagined that after Roo senses Etienne’s hesitation. They come over and do that Meg and Hades scene from Hercules or that Rapunzel and Mother Gothel one. The one where Hades/Gothel is trying to convince Meg/Rapunzel that their judgement is wrong and Hercules/Eugene are men. Not to be trusted and not different.

Additionally, there is also a short reprise of “I Will Make You Proud” where it’s more sad and angry.

Maybe Lucifer unintentionally messes up again or says something insensitive that Etienne overhears and breaks Etienne’s heart again.

Etienne remember Roo’s words and locks herself in her room. Roo shows up and embraces her as Etienne quietly sings the lyrics. That she’ll make Roo and Alastor proud. That no matter what becomes of her she’ll succeed and whoever stands in her way will pay.

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Ohhh...I love it.

Lucifer singing about making someone proud of him seems extremely fitting to me. Lucifer is pride itself; it's practically obligatory for him not only to feel it himself but also to make others feel that way about him.

I can see it, I imagine a scene that is a mix between "More than anything" and his part of "Vox Populi", where Lucifer, full of genuine feeling, sings to Eti, but with the same energy as when he faces Vox, with the conviction that this time everything will be different and he will triumph.

Of course, Lucifer wants to do things right, to show that, despite everything that has happened before, everything can be fixed [Maybe I make things a mess. And maybe you're right to have doubts in me. Maybe, but nevertheless. If you for once could just trust me. Just this once let me come through for you. The way that you want me to. Let me make you proud. Let me show you the best in me. Let me give you a reason to believe that I can stand tall. And when I return. And I'm more than you dreamt I'd be]. Of course, Lucifer made a mistake and wants to make things right. He knows he messed up, but he wants Eti to trust him, to show her that what he showed her before isn't all that he is, that he's much deeper, that what she saw of him is only a part, not a complete picture, a mere projection, and that, in reality, she doesn't know him. He acknowledges that this is his fault, but they can start over [Maybe then you will realize. That you never actually knew me at all. Sure, I've made lots of mistakes. I know that I've disappointed you. Still, though, whatever it takes. I'm gonna fix it, just watch me. Just you wait, I'll make it up to you. If it's the last thing I ever do. I will make you proud. I will make you have faith in me. I will prove that the way I used to be is all in the past. I will save the day. And come back here triumphantly. 'Cause I long for that look of surprise. When you see your son (dad) rising at last. The pride in your eyes. When you see your son (dad) rising at last]

Lucifer wants Eti to see him as her father and to be proud of him, that she feels proud to be his daughter, to feel safe and that she can trust him, that she can turn to him, and that they can put all this "misunderstanding" behind them and move forward as a family.

I think Eti would be moved enough to have some doubts. She's a child longing for a loving family, and here Lucifer is finally opening that door. She's hearing a genuine apology and a real desire to make things right. Yes, Lucifer is a jerk to sinners, and he treated her that way because he thought she was a sinner. Nothing justifies him being a jerk, but if he's willing to apologize to her, perhaps he's willing to change.

And of course, as is often the case with the proud, they tend to fall.

Roo cannot accept that doubt, that hesitation, that hope. Etienne must not lose sight of her plans, she must not stray from the path Roo has laid out for her.

I remember that scene in "Tangled" where Gothel patiently waits with the bandits for a chance to show Rapunzel why she should stay with her. The first thing she did was plant seeds of doubt in Rapunzel's mind to make manipulation easier, and then create a scene that confirmed those suspicions.

I also recall the case of Frollo with Quasimodo in "The Hunchback of Notre Dame". Frollo killed Quasimodo's mother at the gates of Notre Dame, and even tried to kill him for being "deformed", but he was stopped by the archdeacon. As penance for killing a mother who only wanted to protect her son, Frollo had to raise Quasimodo as his own, but because of his deformity, he raised him locked in the bell tower of Notre Dame. Frollo told Quasimodo that his mother, a gypsy, abandoned him and that he mercifully decided to raise him, and for 20 years he instilled in Quasimodo a fear of gypsies and the outside world. Just when Quasimodo thinks he'll finally have a single day off, all his fears, all of Frollo's manipulation, are confirmed. The townspeople, who were initially kind, only need one to start humiliating Quasimodo to join in and essentially torture him until the gypsy Esmeralda saves him. He vows never to go out again because Frollo was right: the world is dark and cruel.

Something I think Roo would resort to is emphasizing two things regarding Lucifer:

His pride.

The differences between how he treats Charlie and how he treats Etienne.

Lucifer has shown that he doesn't care about anyone's opinion, except Charlie's. Charlie is his beloved daughter, the one he had with Lilith, the love of his life, his wife, his queen. Charlie's existence was so desired that they resorted to a surrogate to have her, and throughout the second season, Lucifer demonstrates that he only cares about Charlie's opinion. Even when Vox humiliated him, he didn't care, because he is pride incarnate and doesn't care at all what sinners think of him until he thinks about how Charlie will react (not how she will be affected, only how she will react).

In contrast, Roo would emphasize how Etienne was an "accident". She wasn't expected, planned, or desired. She couldn't even be considered the result of a "one-night stand", just the consequence of a drunken night, something easily forgotten the next day. The only one who anticipated her existence was Alastor, and he suffered the consequences of that decision. And Lucifer only began to care about Etienne when he learned she was his daughter. If he hadn't known, he would have continued to dismiss Etienne as insignificant.

Obviously Eti would be hurt, but hope was rekindled and she can't just extinguish it...and that's when Lucifer ruins it (by accident).

I see many ways that could happen. Perhaps, as you mention, Lucifer uses the same song with Charlie, and Etienne thinks that everything he said to her before was only for Charlie's sake, not for her. Perhaps Etienne thinks Lucifer is only doing it out of pride, to feel good about himself, to avoid feeling like he lost, perhaps to avoid feeling like he's a failure as a father. Perhaps Lucifer talks to Charlie about his experience as a father and what she was like as a child and says something that could be interpreted as "Children are easy to deceive" (which wasn't what he meant).

I can imagine a scene where Eti eavesdrops on Lucifer and is once again disappointed by him. If it were an animation, I imagine the melody of "Takedown" playing as Eti walks away (specifically, the melody of that part of the song that says "Oh, you're the master of illusion, you won't fool me this time. Look at all the masses that you're foolin'. But they'll turn on you soon, so how. How can you sleep or live with yourself? A broken soul trapped in the nastiest shell. I will not hesitate, I will fulfill my duty, and watch you die-ie-ie") as Eti gets angry with herself for "letting the master of illusions deceive her".

In your opinion, within the Sins, who should be Etienne’s favourite to least favourite?

In a post, I had it Bel, Mammon, Bee, Levi, Ozzie, Lucifer then Satan.

Yes, surprisingly Lucifer is not last but only because Eti hates Satan more for nearly killing Blitz and IMP.

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it's this one!

I want your thoughts and opinions because I like your brain.

In my head, to keep the Season 2 part mostly Canon-compliant Adam is taken off active duty and into guard duty due to violating the Agreement by nearly killing Charlie, a Hellborn and member of the Royal Family.

Who is he guarding? A newly awakened and uncooperative Alastor.

As Sir Pentious ascended, Sera is going a little crazy over Redemption being possible and is trying to double down. So she assigned the powerful archangel Adam to prevent the former Sinner Alastor from doing anything and to keep him from escaping.

Adam doesn’t know Alastor is a former Sinner and thinks they are just a menace.

I like to think Adam having to think and work to keep Alastor out of trouble is the spark that starts his crush.

If Alastor can turn a psycho with a God complex into a blushy simp, maybe he can do the same to Adam.

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Oh, thank you, that's very sweet 🤗

I like the idea that, if Adam is alive in this AU, then it's necessary to remove him from the scene to keep the events of the second season unchanged, not counting Etienne.

I imagine that Sera, after seeing Alastor's body/"doll" through Eti's surveillance on the Orb during the events of S1E6, panicked because "how is this winner in two places at the same time?" Because perhaps, before that, he was just a winner in a coma, but then she discovers that no, this winner was once a sinner and now she doesn't know what to do about it other than be in denial.

Then the events of S1E8 occur, but Adam doesn't die. However, he deserves a "punishment", so he has to take care of this newly awakened "winner". Perhaps he's told that Alastor arrived in Heaven in a coma and is now very aggressive because he can't adjust, and that's all the information he gets. Also, this punishment is treated as a top-secret mission; no one knows about it except Sera and Adam...and Alastor, who just wants to escape. A part of Adam thinks for a second that he needs backup, only to say, "I'm fucking Adam, I can handle this", which definitely forces him to use his brain a lot. Brute force isn't enough; he has to be faster, more agile, trying to anticipate this winner's every move before he makes it. It becomes practically a dance, like their battle in canon, only Adam isn't actively trying to hurt him, and Alastor just wants to escape, so he'll resort to trying to kill if necessary. And look at that—isn't that the most fun Adam has had in ages? This winner is skillful, witty, and his mind is as sharp as his tongue, not to mention that yes, he is very handsome...too handsome. Beautiful.

Meanwhile, Lute hasn't seen Adam since they said he would be punished. While she didn't witness his death, and therefore isn't experiencing hallucinations (the kind that lead to Gravity), she can't help but become somewhat paranoid because who knows what they might be doing to him as punishment? Lute believes it's an injustice; Adam was fulfilling his "divine mission", and they're punishing him, and now everyone seems to agree with the Princess of Hell. It's all a great injustice, and she won't allow it. In this universe, she isn't seeking revenge; her anger isn't on the level of canon, but she definitely wants to do everything possible to prove that Hell and all those who support it are wrong, and in that way, she will manage to overturn Adam's punishment.

Since Adam is alive in my AU, I was thinking of giving Vox the walking talking hallucination of his lost love.

I thought of giving it to Roo but she’d go for reviving Alastor than hallucinating him. Maybe she did for a while but it stopped?

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I can definitely see Vox going through a meltdown upon discovering that Alastor is dead, that Roo, who has had 7-8 years to process his death.

Roo watched as Alastor slowly withered away. She knew what would happen and did nothing out of spite. Any guilt she might have felt, the guilt that could have caused her hallucinations, she transferred to Etienne and Lucifer, and her resentment and desire for revenge only fueled the plans she had already devised.

Vox, on the other hand, has been waiting for Alastor's return, counting every day of those 7-8 years, and suddenly learns that Alastor had a daughter (he was with someone else) and that he's dead. I'm not saying Roo is the most mentally stable person in the room, but she'd lose the mental instability competition if she faced Vox.

I imagine that if Vox learns of Alastor's death after watching the tapes, he'll take a moment to process it and not collapse in front of Eti, but as soon as he's alone, his head will basically explode. Many memories will swirl: the Alastor he knew, the one who rejected him, the one who confronted him in the years after their "breakup," and now the Alastor from Eti's tapes. All blending together into the image of an idealized Alastor.

I imagine that after a "brief" meltdown, where he basically destroyed his own office, leaving the city in total darkness, no devices working, maybe some sinners who were nearby exploded or were burned by the electricity or electrocuted, Vox is on the ground, surrounded by broken screens, maybe he inadvertently destroyed the Shock.Wav tank and now his shark is circling him like an emotional support dog.

I found a pretty great song called MEAN! by Madeline the Person.

The lyrics reminded me so much of pre-reveal relationship between Lucifer and Etienne.

I can see Etienne as the singer narrating Lucifer’s actions of antagonising her.

How she’s glad she’s nothing like him and never will be, how Lucifer loves the sound of his own voice, and him projecting on her because of his issues.

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Oh...OH!

That's a great song, I'd never heard it before, so thank you.

You know what's best about this song? There's a scene in the series where it would fit perfectly.

In canon, we have the scene from Season 2, Episode 4, where Alastor quit because of Lucifer. In LRB, we have Etienne taking Alastor's place, and I think that moment would be perfect.

Before that, Lucifer had been rude and condescending to Etienne, most of the time without any provocation, perhaps even going so far as to say, "If you like acting like a child so much, I'll treat you like one", repeating the same "jokes" over and over about how she's useless and shouldn't be there taking up space from those who could contribute, even if they are other sinners, interrupting her when she speaks, and "joking" about how he really knows what Charlie needs (unconsciously infantilizing his daughter), ridiculing Eti when she behaves age-appropriately, and minimizing her contributions when she acts more mature [You said I take too much space half an inch from my face and you meant it. You grabbed my hands and you smiled as you kicked me right out my own sentence. I'm glad you got the chance to be honest, I'm happy for you. There goes years of my progress. You said I take too much space. Now I know what you meant when you said it]

Of course, Eti didn't arrive at the Hotel expecting to hate Lucifer. She knew he might not be the loving father she'd hoped for; Roo had warned her, and Charlie had only fueled her suspicions when she saw how nervous she was at the mere thought of calling him. But she still clung to a tiny sliver of hope, which crumbled with each interaction, each disappointment. Then, in the safety of her room, Eti watches her mom's videos and replays her interactions with other sinners, finding it a relief that, aside from a few physical differences, she bears no resemblance to Lucifer [One thing I like about me is that I'm nothing like you and I never will be. Someone who loves how it sounds when they speak. You're not telling the truth, no, you're just being mean]

Then, eventually, the day of the argument arrives. Eti isn't doing much because Charlie won't let her work or attract guests with her story about how she defeated the exorcists and made them leave. She doesn't spend much time at the hotel anymore anyway, not since Lucifer destroyed the previous hotel and her most prized "possession" without a second thought for his actions. But her friends, Angel, Husk, and Niffty, are there, and she enjoys spending time with them. Until Lucifer shows up and can't help but annoy her simply for existing. He pressures her until Eti, before Angel can intervene (because he would, he'd acknowledge that Lucifer is being a jerk), officially announces her "quit" and leaves, while Lucifer maintains a smug look. And Etienne can't help but cry in frustration and think how sad it is for Charlie too, that this is a better version of her father, whose improvement is, apparently, being present in her life [I went outside just to cry. Had this look in your eye like you won. Oh, but I can't be surprised. You care less the more damage you've done. I'm glad you're working through all your issues. Projecting on me will never be the way to fix you. You said I take too much space. And right now I can't shake how it stung]

That Etienne ends up in the arms of Vox is simply a natural process.

Have you ever seen the live action version of Beauty and the Beast? There’s a song Evermore that I think would works well with Olivia.

Ignoring the romantic part of Beast longing for Belle, and it’s Olivia lamenting how far Gwen!Alastor has flown away from her. But despite all that, they are in her heart forever more.

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Oh, the original "Beauty and the Beast" was always my favorite Disney movie, of course I saw the live-action version, and I consider "Evermore" a beautiful addition.

You know, I think it's really fascinating when a romantic love story/song can become a family love story/song. I found it interesting how they twisted the "Sleeping Beauty" story in "Maleficent" by having Aurora's "true love's kiss" come from her mother.

That said, I think this song fits Olivia perfectly. Someone who was essentially a princess ruling over a world where the inhabitants were basically her toys, which she could break whenever she wanted because she could always fix and improve them, but never make them indestructible because breaking is part of learning, suffering is part of living [I was the one who had it all. I was the master of my fate. I never needed anybody in my life. I learned the truth too late]

Until her last moments of life, as an elderly woman connected to machines, Olivia never stopped thinking about Gwen, about wanting her back, about how she could still fix her and do it "better this time" [I'll never shake away the pain. I close my eyes but she's still there. I let her steal into my melancholy heart. It's more than I can bear. Now I know she'll never leave me. Even as she runs away. She will still torment me. Calm me, hurt me. Move me, come what may. Wasting in my lonely tower. Waiting by an open door. I'll fool myself, she'll walk right in. And be with me for evermore]

Of course, now at the Hotel, you could say she has another chance, but she keeps her distance, and that's interesting. Ever since Olivia "took" Gwen, she's made sure to keep her close, torturing and repairing her as she pleases. As a child, she became cold and distant; her emotions basically vanished, and she grew up with this sense of entitlement. Emotions, love, are confusing for someone who shuts down like that at such a young age, but, strangely enough, as dark and toxic as it sounds, perhaps it was those buried emotions that guided her actions toward Gwen. Her need to keep her close, to "repair" her, could be her way of holding onto her mother, while the torture, the "improvements," could be a way of punishing her mother for "abandoning" her (dying) in the first place. And now, at the hotel, she sees how Gwen/Alastor has changed, how they are free, and it bothers her that she can't give them that. It bothers her to see Gwen/Alastor tense up when she's near, so she keeps her distance but longs for closeness [I rage against the trials of love. I curse the fading of the light. Though she's already flown so far beyond my reach. She's never out of sight]