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John Ball discussing how all infants who are baptized, are partakers of the covenant of grace and in his sense Christ died for all that be under the Covenant. This is arminianism!

"Others proper to the members of the visible Church and common to them, as to be called by the word, enjoy the Ordinances of Grace, live under the Covenant, partake of some graces that come from Christ, which through their fault be not saving: and in this sense Christ died for all that be under the Covenant."(90)

Note: 90. John Ball, A Treatise of the Covenant of Grace, p. 206. However, Herman Witsius denied that Christ had given himself for the visible Church in a general way; he writes: "He has engaged and satisfied for those, and those only, who are actually saved from their sins." The Economy of the Covenants, vol. 1, p. 255-6 (cf. Also p. 265, XXII). Witsius understood the danger of extending Christ's mediation to the unsaved of the visible church; unfortunately, he does not explain how they benefited from the grace of the Covenant.

As cited in Pascal Denault's- The Distinctiveness of Baptist Covenant Theology, p. 91.

Steven starts his overview of the old covenant with Abraham and he also includes the Mosaic and Davidic Covenants in this overview: 'Act 7:8 And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs.' The Epistle to the Hebrews affirms that Christ paid for the sins committed under the first covenant Heb. 9:15, namely all the sins committed before the death of Christ since the fall. The first covenant, therefore covered the entire period going from the fall to the establishment of the New Covenant.

Reformed theologians did not see "the covenants of promise" as being several covenants independent of one another, but as cumulative covenants. The Presbyterians and Baptists were in agreement on this point. Herman Witsius(1) writes: "We begin the economy of the Old Testament immediately upon the fall, and the first promise of grace, and end it in Christ." On the Baptist side of things, Nehemiah Coxe(2) writes: "We must further observe that this covenant of circumcision was the foundation on which the church-state of Israel after the flesh was built. I do not say that their church-state was exactly and completely formed by this ordinance alone. But I mean that in the Covenant of circumcision were contained the first rudiments of the one in the wilderness, and the latter was the filling up and completing of the former. It was made with them in pursuance of it and for the full accomplishment of the promises now made to Abraham." Thomas Patient(3) is even more explicit: "But it is clear to me that in substance, the same covenant of ceremonial obedience which was given to Moses when the people came out of Egypt, the same was given to Adam's generation."

As stated and cited in Pascal Denault's 'The Distinctiveness of Baptist Covenant Theology,' 2013, ps. 100-101.

(1) Herman Witsius- 'The Economy of the Covenants, vol. 1, p. 308. See also John Ball, 'A Treatise of the Covenant of Grace, p. 36.

(2) Nehemiah Coxe- 'A Discourse of the Covenants, p. 99.

Brandon Adams writes:

In the previous round we answered the objections of someone who later admitted they had not even read Owen’s argument. Here we answer the objections of someone who later admitted they had not even read our argument.

Over at Reformation 21, Lee Gatiss listened to 10 minutes of a podcast, misunderstood a joke, and judged a book by its cover. He felt it was urgent to inform baptists that John Owen was actually a paedobaptist. Of course, if he’d bothered to read the book, he’d have know that’s not the point.

The point is that Owen rejected his earlier covenantal views and the “judgment of most reformed divines”. Gatiss does not address this (as is typical). In fact, Gatiss doesn’t mention anything from Owen’s commentary on Hebrews 8:6-13. Instead, he provides quotes of Owen affirming infant baptism, which, again, isn’t the point.

He quotes Owen’s commentary on Hebrews 4:9-10, 15 (which I also quote in my analysis of Owen’s infant baptism) as well as 6:1-2; 7:1-3, 12; 11:24-26. Gatiss concludes “Sorry folks, but these are exactly the same applications that Owen makes from his covenant theology in the earlier tract on infant baptism,” which, again, is not the point. We are well aware that Owen makes the same application (infant baptism). Our point is that his covenant theology undergirding that application changed.

Read “Baptists Couldn’t Possibly Know What They’re Talking About: Debating Owen, Round 473 – Lee Gatiss”.

Gatiss cites our podcast as evidence of course, no one ever insists that John Owen was a Baptist.

There was also a brief twitter conversation between Gatiss, and Denault on Twitter (see below):

@LeeGatiss We all know Owen was never a Baptist, we only affirm that his CT fits perfectly ours http://t.co/7cLl3ArQrz u should comment that

— Pascal Denault (@pascaldenault) January 29, 2015

@pascaldenault Not sure that's the impression given by the podcast… And by others who are using your work to say such things.

— Lee Gatiss (@LeeGatiss) January 29, 2015

@LeeGatiss And please, erase this sentence "which cheekily even has Owen on the cover" How could I have not Owen considering the subject?

— Pascal Denault (@pascaldenault) January 29, 2015

 Related:

John Owen Outline By Brandon Adams

John Owen the Baptist? Luke Stamps on Pascal Denault’s Book “The Distinctiveness of Baptist Covenant Theology”

Pascal Denault:

It has been a great joy and a blessing to be among the dear brothers and sisters of First Baptist Church of the Lakes in Las Vegas for their annual Reformation Conference. Below you will find the links to watch [YouTube playlist] or listen to the sermons that were preached on that occasion by Dr. Pretlove, Dr. Gonzales and myself.

Dr. John Pretlove

1. God’s Accounting

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MP3

http://ift.tt/1tgfQkO

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Dr. Robert Gonzales

2. Justification: What does it mean & how can God justify a sinner?

Video:

MP3:

http://ift.tt/13M9KUI

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3. Understanding the Nature of Sin

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MP3:

http://ift.tt/1tgfNWn

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4. How to receive this justification?

Video:

MP3:

http://ift.tt/1tgfQBu

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Rev. Pascal Denault

5. The Righteous One (part 1)

Video:

MP3:

http://ift.tt/13M9NzQ

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6. The Righteous One (part 2)

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MP3:

http://ift.tt/1tgfOcV

 Related:

Pascal Denault’s 11 Min. Interview with Voddie Baucham [AUDIO]

Oct. 27-31, 2014 “Creeds & Confessions” feat. Haykin, Nettles, Denault, Ascol, Gonzales in Las Vegas, NV. [RBS]

This interview is a small preview of the Oct. 25, 2-14 “Quest for Truth” Conference featuring Voddie Baucham in Drummondville, QC.

The interview gets to know Dr. Baucham then touches on cultural apologetics, family, plus more, sprinkled in with some humor here and there.

Here is the 11 minute MP3:

http://ift.tt/1sL24fJ

 Related:

Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of Quebec General Assembly “The Mission” [English/French Audio] feat. Gordon Taylor [L’AERBQ]

Audio for the 2014 Reformation Montana “The Family” Conf. now online. Feat: Voddie Baucham, JD Hall + more

Pascal Denault brings a 15 minute book review of David Murray’s “Jesus on Every Page“, “ESV – Gospel Transformation Bible“, and Neil Cole’s “Church 3.0“: