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mika opposing that wanting to let the dead stay dead while he himself is no longer human sets him up as the perfect foil for guren, i would say, because you're right: ons wouldn't be ons without either of the two characters.

Thank you for the question, anon! Owari no Seraph is not just “your average shonen manga” it’s THE AVERAGE SHONEN MANGA, it is every single average shonen manga ever combined into one and that’s why I love it.  I might as well turn this into a reccomendation post to answer your question.

You Should Read Owari no Seraph

Owari no Seraph is like several different shonen manga sewn together in a horrible frankenstein’s monster, but once again as I often say on this blog tropes are not bad things. They’re all about the execution. Owari no Seraph is like, one of five exorcism/demon fighting manga published by shueisha right now (Chainsawman, Kimetsu no Yaiba, Jujutsu Kaisen, Ao no Exorcist, Owari no Seraph). It stands out by raising the stakes as high as they can possibly go, it has no reservations at all over the fact that it’s a tropey, pulp, nightmare. It knows exactly what it is and just tells it’s story anyway. 

So here are a few things I like about the manga that make me want to reccomend it. 

I’ll address what people have expressed concern over. And forewarning, I’m a positive thinker. I know there are people who express themselves by making posts expressing their discontent, and that is totally fine and a way to cope. It’s just not mine. So some of what I say may seem optimistic, it doesn’t mean I’m not disappointed or worried about the issues, it’s just that I’d rather focus on the possibility of what I’m disappointed about turning into something else more preferable in the long run. So again, it’s not that there’s no problems, it’s just that I like to think they can be fixed. And note that this is all based off of what I can get out of the Japanese raw, not the official translation.

1.I agree that Guren and Yuu’s reunion lacked tension/angst. They are my favorites and I’m not one for unnecessary angst/talking, but that went too smoothly. However, I do have two possible reasons for both of them glossing over anger on Yuu’s side and apologizing on Guren’s. 

1a. It’s possible that Yuu isn’t straight up guilt tripping Guren and lashing out  because he’s the other one who knows what it’s like to lose control and attack others against your will. (I’m not saying it’s an excuse for the actions as previous decisions lead to their possibility for possession and such) However, Yuu felt horrible about it when he was told what he did during his berserk time and he may be under the impression he understands Guren and doesn’t want to hold his actions under possession against him. (He believes Guren didn’t want to do it because he saw Guren crying). 

1b. And Guren not apologizing could stem from how he was raised. He has always been under the impression that as a leader, if he maintains his composure, those around him will as well. If he’s calm, his followers are calm. In the LN, he makes Shigure worried by showing his own concern when his father is (unknowingly to Shigure) taken hostage and given a death sentence. He berates himself for letting his concern show and worrying her. Its possible he believes that others will reflect the state of nature he exudes. So in this case, he’s staying calm and pretending there’s no problems because he wants them to feel calm and assured as well. Yuu does immediately demand explanations, and Guren’s giving them. So it’s not like they’re shooting the breeze  like old pals.

2. Mahiru’s speech at Shinoa about awakening her demon powers by giving into sexual desire and losing herself (with someone heavily implied to be Yuu.) Yikes. I will admit that I ship Yuunoa over Mikayuu, even if it’s only a tad amount at that. However that whole thing doesn’t feel good at all. Shinoa’s so much more than gaining “power” from sleeping with somebody. Having said that, maybe there’s something else going on here. 

2a. This is said by Mahiru, the most unreliable of unreliable narrators imo. She may believe it, but I’m not convinced she’s right. It is how she gained her full demonic powers. However, I think it’s because being with Guren is what she “lusted” after for so long. And once she got what she wanted, the demon got what it wanted because Mahiru had nothing left to aim for. I think that made Mahiru believe that that’s simply what lust is because that’s how she experienced it. Therefore, that’s how everybody must do it. 

2b. I’d like to believe that Kagami will stay true to his word and keep this his story about family. I get the feeling he’s setting this up for Shinoa to reveal that the thing she had “lusted” for was the family that just couldn’t exist within the Hiragi controlled surroundings she grew up in. The reason she slightly blushes looking at Yuu in the chapter (leading Mahiru to think he’s the one she’ll lust after) is because Yuu is the center of this makeshift family. She doesn’t look straight at him, she looks at him being surrounded by others before looking at him specifically. He brought together the squad, Mika, and Guren. (and Crowley I guess) I said in a previous post that I believe Shinoa is really curious about this idea of family Yuu has and that’s why I think that’s what she’ll end up “lusting” for and finding herself/losing herself in getting. Though I don’t foresee it being to a negative extent like Mahiru. And that’s how they’ll differ. (my ideal endgame is zero couples and a massive platonic family vibe when all is said and done)

Do you think kiseki-o was also a third prog?

I’m not sure if Kiseki-ou, Noya, and Ashuramaru being chibis are related to their progenitor ranks. Noya in Guren LN said that a demon’s appearance is related to the moment in their life when they had the most desire. For Noya, that was the explanation for his looking like a young boy. 

Whether the Third Progenitors’ experiment was related to this demon appearance thing is a possible theory (the one from amethystcria). 

There are quite a few “rules/realities of the vampire world” that we know of but we don’t know when or how they were implemented. For example, were there really only 3 Third Progenitors created from the very beginning or were there only 3 left by the time Crowley found out the information and the vampire society had been governed by Urd for hundreds of years? 

Urd’s reign started at the earliest roughly 1000 years ago (after the Disappearance of both First and Rigr). So we know the realities of the vampire world from 1000 years ago and onward but what about the beginning of the vampire world? 

This distinction is important if you think First Progenitor made more than 3 Third Progenitors. I don’t know! First Progenitor made some rules but we don’t know what he made and when. :)

I’m just pointing out the possibilities for people to think up theories because that’s the most fun part of all of this. haha

so all black demons weapons are progenitors?

Black demons were definitely noble vampires aka progenitors. So they were a progenitor rank but we don’t know what the cut-off point is (like what progenitor rank is the minimum requirement for a black demon). There are many ranks of demons too. 

My opinion is that it’s highly likely black demons were former HIGH RANKING Progenitors (up to 6th). We already can surmise that Ashera/Ashuramaru was a high ranking progenitor due to having the First’s blood (he called the First “father”). 

Mahiru though was at most an 8th Progenitor since she was sired by a Third. But she also fused with black demon Noya so I don’t know if she got her black demon designation from the fusing or if 8th Progenitors also become black demons. Both are possible at this point!

Now I’ve always wondered :D how did Hiiragis get all these black demons :D who used to be progenitors? :D :D :D :DDDDDDDDDDDDD [insert my tinfoil theories here about the First Progenitor lol]

Did First Progenitor only take Ashera to Japan or did he take a bunch of progenitors too? lol  OR Did First Progenitor make some new nobles in Japan after he went there?  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ All things I’m eagerly awaiting for confirmation in canon.

That’s what the fanbook has to say on the topic of nobles (x): “The select few who are distinguished from common vampires–Nobles are those who inherits a progenitor’s blood.” With the release of a new novel we know that both Ferid and Crowley were called “Michaela” at some point. Both of them are quite powerful nobles.  If fanbook is anything to go by, then those who were/are called Michaela (destiny and stuff?) may be those who “inherit a progenitors blood”.  Since it seems like vampires existence is heavily intertwined with angel Michaela, that would possibly made him/her/whatever a first progenitor?? Thus, everyone who inherits a name may as well inherit blood too, right? Also, look how is says “inherits”, because technically every vampire should have at least one drop of progenitor’s blood - it’s what made them vampires in the first place. And we also know that vampires don’t do the do to make their population bigger, so it’s not exactly biological “heritage”. [That’s, of course, If we roll with the theory that vampires even have blood and ignore information in the fanbook (about them not having body heat). Everything with it is so inconsistent it hurts. We see how Krul bit her lip and let Mika drink his blood, also we see vampires blushing. {if I’m not mistaken we see blushing only Mika and Chess with Horn and the two of the ladies are nobles}. But could it be that only nobles have blood to give to someone? Maybe others are incapable of turning someone because they simply don’t have it. Who knows.]