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Introduction – The Legacy of the Pines #2 Bender

When you’ve been in the tube bending industry as long as I have, you start to recognize a select group of machines that earn a reputation not just for performance, but for sheer staying power. The Pines #2 rotary draw bender is one of those rare workhorses. First introduced decades ago, the #2 was built in an era when industrial equipment was designed to last — heavy-gauge steel frames, robust mechanical assemblies, and a simplicity of operation that made them a favorite in shops of all sizes.

Over the years, I’ve seen these machines bending everything from thin-wall stainless exhaust tubing to heavy-wall structural components in aerospace, automotive, shipbuilding, and oil & gas industries. They have a way of quietly proving their worth shift after shift, year after year. Even as CNC-controlled benders became the standard, many fabrication shops kept their Pines #2 units in production because of their unmatched durability and ability to handle tough jobs with minimal downtime.

The reason so many of these machines are still in service 30, 40, even 50 years later comes down to three things:

Overbuilt mechanical design – fewer weak points, more operational lifespan.

Ease of maintenance – most wear parts can be replaced or rebuilt without a factory technician.

Tooling versatility – with the right adjustments, the #2 can be adapted for different bend radii, materials, and production requirements.

That said, longevity doesn’t mean standing still. Today’s production demands higher precision, faster changeovers, and better surface quality than ever before. This is where upgrades come into play. Adding modern tooling, like wiper dies, mandrel assemblies, or quick-change clamping systems, can transform a legacy Pines #2 into a machine that competes head-to-head with newer models — but at a fraction of the replacement cost.

In this case study, we’ll look at one such upgrade: designing and manufacturing a custom wiper die mounting plate for an older Pines #2. It’s a perfect example of how strategic retrofits can extend a machine’s service life, enhance bend quality, and maximize return on investment for any shop still relying on these proven machines.

Customer Inquiry – The Real-World Problem

It all started with a straightforward message from Travis, a fabricator running an older Pines #2 rotary draw bender:

“Hello. We have an older Pines #2 bender. I want to install a wiper die but do not have the mounting plate for it. Would you happen to have one that would bolt to our machine? Thanks, Travis.”

This kind of inquiry is more common than many shop owners realize. Over the years, OEM parts for older benders—especially those built before the late 1990s—become harder to source. Pines, like many legacy equipment manufacturers, updated their designs over time, and in doing so, certain components (mounting plates, clamp blocks, special tooling adapters) were either redesigned, discontinued, or superseded by parts incompatible with older frames.

For a shop still relying on an older Pines #2, this can present a real production bottleneck. In Travis’s case, the absence of the wiper die mounting plate meant he couldn’t install the wiper die assembly at all—effectively limiting the machine’s bending capabilities.

And make no mistake: wiper dies are not optional in certain applications.

In thin-wall tubing, they help prevent wrinkles on the inside radius of the bend.

In high-precision or aesthetic jobs (like stainless handrails or automotive exhaust systems), they maintain surface quality and dimensional accuracy.

In tighter bend radii, they reduce material distortion and springback.

Without a wiper die, operators are forced to compromise—either running looser bend radii, accepting more material scrap, or performing costly and time-consuming post-bend rework. For high-volume or high-specification jobs, that’s simply not sustainable.

Travis’s request wasn’t just about getting a missing part—it was about unlocking the full performance potential of his Pines #2 and meeting his customers’ quality expectations. The challenge was clear: engineer and deliver a custom wiper die mounting plate that would bolt directly to his older frame, fit precisely, and stand up to daily production use.

Background – Understanding the Challenge

To understand the problem Travis faced, it’s important to first look at how a wiper die assembly works in the tube bending process.

In a rotary draw bending setup, the tube is clamped against the bend die and drawn around it, while a pressure die supports the tube’s outer diameter. The wiper die sits just behind the tangent point—at the start of the bend—its thin, precisely machined edge in contact with the tube’s inside radius. Its job is to “wipe” or smooth out the tendency of the material to wrinkle or buckle as it compresses on the inside of the bend. This is especially critical when:

Working with thin-wall tubing, where wall stability is lower.

Producing tight radius bends (low D of bend values).

Bending soft or ductile materials like aluminum, copper, or annealed stainless steel.

The wiper die mounting plate is the foundation of that system. It provides the rigid, precision-aligned interface between the bender’s carriage or pressure die assembly and the wiper die itself. Without it, there’s no secure way to hold the wiper die in the correct position and angle relative to the tube and bend die. Even a fraction of a millimeter misalignment can cause premature tool wear, poor bend quality, or increased scrap rates.

This is where compatibility concerns come into play—especially on older Pines #2 benders. Over the decades, Pines produced multiple frame variations, each with subtle differences in:

Bolt pattern layouts and hole spacing.

Carriage dimensions and clearance areas.

Spindle-to-carriage geometry, which affects die positioning.

OEM mounting plates from newer machines often will not bolt directly onto legacy models without modifications. In some cases, original part numbers are discontinued entirely. That means shops with older machines are left with two choices: scour the used parts market (often with uncertain fitment) or commission a custom-engineered solution that is purpose-built for their machine’s specific configuration.

In Travis’s case, the absence of a compatible mounting plate meant his Pines #2 could not utilize a wiper die at all—limiting both the quality and the range of bends he could produce. The challenge wasn’t simply finding “a plate”—it was designing one that would match his exact bender geometry, hold tight tolerances, and withstand the rigors of daily production.

Inspection & Feasibility Study

Before a single chip is cut on a custom part, the first step is to understand the exact geometry and condition of the customer’s bender. With older Pines #2 machines, no two units are guaranteed to be identical—especially when you factor in decades of production wear, field repairs, and model-year changes.

Our initial evaluation process begins with gathering detailed information from the customer:

Machine serial number and approximate year of manufacture.

Photographs of the carriage assembly, particularly the wiper die mounting area.

Measurements of any existing tooling interface points.

Once we have those basics, we move into precise dimensional verification. The three most critical checks are:

Bolt Pattern Layout – We measure the center-to-center spacing, thread size, and depth of each mounting hole. Even a 1/16" difference from later models can cause misalignment that leads to tool chatter or uneven wear.

Spindle Alignment – The relative position of the bend die spindle to the mounting surface is crucial. This dictates how the wiper die edge will contact the tube. A few thousandths of an inch off, and you risk creating pressure points that deform the tube instead of supporting it.

Clearance Measurements – Older #2 frames can have different sidewall thicknesses, gusset placements, or carriage arm shapes. We check for obstructions that might interfere with the wiper die body or mounting bolts during operation.

Through experience, we’ve learned that there are two major production eras for Pines #2 frames:

Early models – Heavier casting, different bolt spacing, and less standardized carriage dimensions.

Later legacy models – Closer to modern geometry, but still with enough variation to require a custom fit in many cases.

In Travis’s case, photos and measurements confirmed his machine was an early-production model. That meant an off-the-shelf OEM plate from a newer #2 wouldn’t fit—both the bolt pattern and the carriage dimensions were different. By identifying these variances early, we avoided the costly mistake of machining a plate that wouldn’t seat correctly, ensuring the retrofit would be a perfect drop-in installation.

Designing a Custom Solution

Once we confirmed that Travis’s Pines #2 required a one-off mounting plate, the next step was to engineer a solution that would not only fit perfectly but also deliver the strength, precision, and longevity needed for daily production use.

1. Material Selection for Strength and Wear Resistance

The mounting plate is not just a passive bracket—it’s a structural component that endures repeated loading and vibration throughout every bend cycle. To handle this, we selected heat-treated 4140 alloy steel. This material offers:

High tensile strength to resist deformation under clamping forces.

Excellent wear resistance, especially in high-contact tooling environments.

Good machinability, allowing us to achieve tight tolerances without sacrificing durability.

In some lighter-duty cases, we might consider tool steel or even pre-hardened stainless, but for a wiper die plate on a production bender, 4140 has the right balance of rigidity and service life.

2. Precision Machining for Alignment and Repeatable Accuracy

A wiper die’s performance depends on precise geometry—if it sits even slightly out of position, it can cause chatter, gouging, or uneven material flow. To prevent this, the plate’s mounting surface and bolt hole locations were machined on a CNC vertical milling center, holding tolerances to ±0.001" on critical dimensions.

Datum referencing was used to ensure perfect alignment between the bolt pattern and spindle centerline.

Surface flatness was verified to prevent any rocking or shifting during operation.

Chamfered edges were added to reduce stress concentrations and make installation smoother.

3. CAD Modeling and Tolerance Verification Before Production

Before a single cut was made, we developed a full CAD model of the plate, incorporating all field measurements from Travis’s machine. This step was critical because:

It allowed us to simulate the plate’s position relative to the bend die and tube centerline, confirming that the wiper die edge would contact the tube at the correct tangent point.

We could check for interference with nearby components like the pressure die slide or clamp die arm.

It ensured that tolerance stack-up—small dimensional deviations from multiple parts—would not cause misalignment.

By combining material science, precision machining, and digital simulation, we ensured that Travis’s new wiper die mounting plate would be a direct bolt-on solution—ready to drop in, align correctly, and handle years of heavy production use without premature wear.

Manufacturing the Mounting Plate

With the engineering design locked in and verified, it was time to turn the CAD model into a precision-built, production-ready component. Every step of the process was executed with the same attention to detail we apply to OEM-grade tooling.

1. CNC Machining Process for the Plate

We began with a solid billet of heat-treated 4140 alloy steel, selected for its proven strength and wear resistance.

The billet was rough-milled to remove excess material, reducing machining time for critical surfaces.

Using a CNC vertical milling center, we machined the mounting face, bolt hole locations, and precision bore features, holding tolerances to ±0.001".

All holes were CNC-drilled and tapped to the specified thread pitch, ensuring consistent engagement with the machine’s existing hardware.

Datum surfaces were re-verified mid-process to prevent tolerance drift, especially important for aligning the wiper die edge correctly in operation.

This level of machining precision ensures that the plate will not only fit perfectly but also maintain alignment bend after bend, even under production stress.

2. Surface Finishing for Corrosion Resistance

Even the best-machined part will degrade prematurely if not protected from shop conditions—coolant overspray, moisture, and material debris. To combat this:

The plate was deburred to remove sharp edges that could cause injury or stress risers.

We applied a black oxide finish for enhanced corrosion resistance without adding thickness that could interfere with fitment.

Critical contact surfaces were left as-machined to preserve the flatness and tolerances needed for consistent die seating.

This combination of finishing steps gives the part both durability and longevity, even in high-use, high-moisture bending environments.

3. Quality Checks to Ensure Perfect Fit

Before shipping, we conducted a multi-point inspection to confirm that the plate was production-ready:

Dimensional Verification – Using a coordinate measuring machine (CMM), we checked every critical dimension against the CAD model.

Bolt Pattern Test – A test fixture matching the customer’s carriage was used to verify alignment and bolt engagement.

Flatness & Parallelism – Measured with precision ground parallels to ensure consistent clamping and die stability.

Only after passing these checks was the plate packaged with protective wrapping and shipped to Travis’s shop, ready for immediate installation.

Installation & Testing

Once the custom wiper die mounting plate arrived at Travis’s facility, we worked with him to ensure a smooth installation and immediate operational readiness. Installing tooling on a legacy bender is not simply a matter of “bolt it on and go”—precise alignment and calibration are key to getting consistent, high-quality bends.

1. Step-by-Step Installation Notes

Preparation – The mounting area on the Pines #2 carriage was cleaned thoroughly, removing built-up debris, old paint, and burrs that could affect surface contact.

Initial Fitment – The plate was positioned against the carriage, and bolt holes were checked for perfect alignment before threading in any fasteners.

Fastener Installation – High-strength grade 8 bolts, pre-lubricated to achieve correct torque values, were installed in a cross-pattern to ensure even clamping pressure.

Torque Verification – Each bolt was tightened to the manufacturer-recommended torque spec, ensuring the plate was fully seated without distortion

2. Calibration for Correct Wiper Die Positioning

Once the plate was securely installed, we moved to calibration:

Wiper Die Mounting – The wiper die body was installed and seated flush against the plate’s machined locating surface.

Alignment to Tangent Point – Using a machinist’s scale and feeler gauges, we adjusted the die so its tip was precisely at the start of the bend die’s tangent.

Back Angle Adjustment – The die’s edge was set at the optimal back angle (typically between 2–7 degrees, depending on material and bend radius) to prevent tube wrinkling without introducing excessive drag.

Test Clamp Verification – With a scrap tube in place, we verified that the wiper die made full, even contact without gaps or high spots.

3. Running Sample Bends to Validate Performance

With calibration complete, it was time to see the retrofit in action:

Material Test – We began with the exact tubing Travis uses in production—a thin-wall stainless steel with a relatively tight bend radius requirement.

First Bend Inspection – The very first trial bend came out clean, with zero wrinkling on the inside radius and no surface scoring.

Multiple Bend Cycles – We ran a short production batch to confirm that the die maintained position and finish quality over repeated cycles.

Operator Feedback – Travis’s bending team reported noticeably smoother operation, reduced drag, and less effort required to maintain consistent output.

The result? Travis’s older Pines #2 was now producing bends that matched—or exceeded—the quality of jobs coming off newer, far more expensive machines. This upgrade not only extended the machine’s working life but also allowed his shop to take on higher-spec, higher-margin jobs without additional equipment investment.

Results & Customer Feedback

The custom wiper die mounting plate was more than just a replacement part—it was a performance upgrade for Travis’s older Pines #2 bender. From the first production run, the improvements were clear and measurable.

1. Performance Improvements After Retrofit

Faster Setup Times – The precision-fit plate meant that wiper dies could be swapped or adjusted without shimming or repeated trial fits.

Consistent Bend Quality – Operators reported that once the die was aligned, it held position bend after bend, eliminating the need for constant fine-tuning.

Increased Job Capability – With the ability to use wiper dies, Travis’s shop could now confidently bid on thin-wall and tight-radius jobs that were previously out of reach.

2. Reduction in Tube Wrinkling and Wall Thinning

Before the retrofit, bends on thin-wall tubing showed minor wrinkling on the inside radius—a cosmetic and sometimes structural issue for certain applications. After installation:

Wrinkling was eliminated, even on 1.5D bends with thin-wall stainless steel.

Wall thinning was reduced, thanks to smoother material flow and reduced compressive strain on the inside radius.

The need for post-bend rework, such as polishing or section replacement, dropped significantly—saving both time and material.

3. Travis’s Feedback on the Upgrade

In his own words, Travis summed up the value of the retrofit:

“This upgrade made our Pines #2 feel like a new machine. The bends are clean, the setup is quick, and we can take on jobs we couldn’t before. I wasn’t sure if it would be worth the investment, but it’s already paying for itself in reduced scrap and higher-quality work. You guys nailed it.”

This case shows that with the right engineering approach, an older Pines bender doesn’t have to be a limitation—it can be a competitive asset. For many shops, investing in custom-fit tooling and retrofits can deliver performance gains comparable to a new machine, but at a fraction of the cost.

Why This Matters for Buyers of Used or Legacy Pines Benders

For many fabrication shops, the idea of buying a used Pines #2 or similar legacy bender can be both exciting and intimidating. On one hand, these machines are proven workhorses—capable of decades of reliable service. On the other, the concern about missing parts, outdated tooling, or compatibility issues can make buyers hesitate.

Here’s the reality: missing or obsolete OEM components are not a dealbreaker. As Travis’s case shows, custom-engineered solutions can bridge the gap between old hardware and modern production needs. Whether it’s a wiper die mounting plate, a custom clamp block, or an entire mandrel assembly, a properly designed retrofit can restore full capability—or even improve upon the original design.

Retrofitting Keeps Older Machines Competitive

The demands on bending shops today are higher than ever—tighter tolerances, cleaner finishes, faster turnaround. Many assume you need a brand-new CNC bender to meet those demands, but that’s not always true.

With precision-machined retrofit components, an older Pines can produce bends that meet modern aerospace, automotive, and architectural standards.

Upgrades like quick-change tooling systems can cut setup times, allowing older machines to keep pace with high-mix production.

Reinforcing key assemblies with stronger, modern materials often results in longer tool life and reduced downtime compared to the original OEM designs.

Parts, Tooling, and Upgrade Packages Are Readily Available

At our facility, we maintain an inventory of replacement parts, reproduction components, and custom-fabricated solutions for a wide range of Pines models, including early-production #2 machines.

Direct replacement parts for wear items and standard tooling.

Custom-fit components engineered from field measurements to match your exact machine.

Complete upgrade kits for wiper die assemblies, mandrel systems, and clamp tooling.

This means that if you find a great deal on a used Pines bender but it’s missing a critical piece, you don’t have to walk away—you can buy with confidence, knowing the part can be recreated or upgraded for your needs.

Bottom line: A well-maintained and properly upgraded legacy Pines #2 can compete head-to-head with newer models in both quality and productivity—often for a fraction of the investment. For many shops, that’s not just cost-effective—it’s the smartest move they can make.

Let’s Get Your Pines Bender Running Like New

Whether you need a single replacement part, a complete retrofit, or a custom tooling solution, we’re here to help. Our team specializes in keeping older and legacy Pines tube benders performing at their best—often better than when they left the factory.

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