yeah yeah Fitz might be able to make Olivia moan and whatever (and so does Jake but let's leave that for another post) but does he know what her favourite meal is? Would he even know what to order her from Gettysburger?
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yeah yeah Fitz might be able to make Olivia moan and whatever (and so does Jake but let's leave that for another post) but does he know what her favourite meal is? Would he even know what to order her from Gettysburger?

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Has anyone else ever wondered if a tiny part of Liv shut down B613 because of her conversation with Jake in 3x16? You know, after the 'I asked you to save me, and you said no' conversation. My God, my heart. Someone include an appropriate wall slide, chest clutching gif for this please.
Well, yes and no. No to 3x16, because she had already decided to shut down B613 in 3x14. But yes, its effect on Jake was her catalyst for this decision. And it wasnāt a tiny one, either, it was pretty much her main motivator. So hereās a chest-clutching gif as per your request:
Livās been horrified and disgusted by B613 ever since she found out it existed. But did she go on a dangerous all-out crusade to shut it down? Um, no. When she saw what her dad and B613 did to Jake between seasons 2 and 3, did she set out to end it then? Still no. In fact, that whole experience scared her into submission even more for a while. Then she found out what Jake did in āNo Sun On The Horizonā (perfect episode title, btw) and all of a sudden itās āBrick by brick, weāll tear that building down until thereās nothing left but a hole in the ground.ā Like whooaa, ok.Ā š¬
We know she was already pissed about Jake being made Command from when she railed on Fitz about it. But then she accepted it, found a way to keep him close (if you like the interpretation that it was a partial, maybe even subconscious, motivation for Jake the fake boyfriend), even used his position to her advantage (ālittle errandsā, keeping tabs on Rowan, watching out for Quinn). Plus, she really believed he would at least take B613 in a different, better, Rowan-less direction. And then, the man who just one episode prior asked her to save him from that place, committed a triple cover-up murder, and one of the victims was her own friend. Now Jake wasnāt just a deployed gun, a toy soldier, but the one who made the call. He was fully converting over to the dogma, ātheĀ B613 in your brain.ā (Speaking of 3x16, after she asked him if, basically, he could hear how crazy something like āI would never kill your friendsā sounds, if he could hear the B613, he admitted that, āYeah, I can hear it.ā And thatās when she starts to move closer to the door. Because, the way he said it, yes, he can hear it, and he wishes he didnāt. He begged her to save him from it, and she didnāt, and it took him. Yikes, this scene! š«) This was what Olivia was afraid of when she devastatingly admonished Fitz, āYou know what that place is like, you know what it does, and you made Jake, Command.ā And one more time for emphasis, because I love this scene:
She was soooooo pissedā¦
Again, she later resigned herself to the comforting belief that Jake as Command would be different. And, technically, he did operate differently, just not in the ways she would have wanted. I donāt know what all she thought Jake could possibly do tho, considering B613ā²s very specific purpose, but I guess knowing that at least Rowan wasnāt in charge was enough. The last thing she ever wouldāve wanted, probably actively dreaded, was for Jake to become her father 2.0, as she pretty much screamed at him in their fight in 3x14. And the whole first part of her tirade just screams of the denial she was in. Seriously, āWho put you up to this?ā? Ummm, heās Command. No one puts him up to anything.Ā But apparently when she found out B613 was behind it, her mind went to, Someone made Jake do this. He would never choose to do this. That wasnāt even in the realm of possibility for her until she confronted him. Then thereās these moments where you can actually see it finally click for her, the realization that it was indeed him, all him. So apparently this is what it looks like when Livās biggest fears come true right in front of her face:
Considering her fear and anger at the thought of Jake becoming like her father, itās kind of interesting and ironic that itās Rowan she goes to after this, and Rowan whoās the first trigger to her ultimately forgiving Jake. And thereās something I noticed while skimming thru some of these scenes before answering this. So Liv reaches out to Rowan after flipping out on Jake and sheās all in her feelings and questions what the hell the point of it all is if everyone she loves (coughcough) āis a monsterā. When he finally asks her āWhat happened?ā that has her spinning out like this, she tells him about Sally Langston murdering her husband, and that āJake killed 3 people to cover it upā¦ā And Rowan goes, āOh, that.ā And I love this, and how he said it. Like, Of course, it always goes back to your precious Jake, doesnāt it? Heās always been pretty insightful about their relationship, even when they themselves werenāt. Sally killing her husband was crazy and awful, but Livās honestly dealt with worse, and Sally obviously wasnāt one of the people in her life she was stressing about. Jamesā death, if it happened any other way, if it actually had been a carjacking, wouldāve made her sad, not wig out on an existential crisis about no one in her life being āworth savingā (ā¦saving. Which just so happens to be her and Jakeās thing.) So anyway, thatās when he goes into his ā183ā defense of Jake monologue. Which starts Olivia on taking a bit of the blame off of Jake, and placing it on B613 in general. As she later says to David, āJake Ballard did what anyone in his position would have done. The problem isnāt Jake, David. Itās B613, and the fact that it even exists.ā
So in conclusion, yes, for Olivia personally, B613 finally went one step too far by corrupting her Jake (Abby literally calls him āYour Jakeā in 3x14, ha), her formerly sun-chasing Jake, so for that it had to go. š Maybe she didnāt think about it in terms of saving him, exactly. But sheād be damned if that place continued its homicidal underground reign with her Jake, of all people, at the helm. And her dad did say that the point of her was
And drag Jake away from B613 and back towards their sun she surely did, whether it happened the way she planned or not (it didnāt), whether he liked how she did it or not (he didnāt).Ā ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Scandal 5X13: Desperate Times Call for Desperate Measures!
Regarding Jakeās... fingering scene:
āI want to be with you, do you want to be with me?ā
This is essentially what Jake is indirectly asking, or WANTS, in this scene. Jake has wanted to be with Olivia forever, so it wasnāt surprising to hear him say that, after all Vanessa brought to the table, she still wasnāt Olivia. Yet, he feels a bit foreign to the Jake we've come to know over the seasons. He feels different to Olivia as well, which is why she asks with a confused look on her face, āWhat are you up to, Jake?ā This unfamiliar quality we are picking up from Jake is the act of manipulation he was employing in trying to push Olivia to finally break through her internal barrier. The very same barrier he refused to knock down in the season 4 finale, no matter how wide open she was for the taking (emphasized by her literallyĀ pushing her living room door wide open).
Was just rewatching some S4 Olake scenes and I came across the episode where Jake's in custody and Liv is missing her boo so she's leaving him messages.
I'm left with these unanswered questions - Did Jake listen to them? Did they talk about it??? Like surely that was something that could've been revisited?
But alas Olake were never meant to be in Shondaland....
...So has anyone written a fanfic on this?
I have been rewatching scandal and i never noticed but i just noticed that there's a sound that plays when olake have some special moments themselves. do you know that sound? song? and i think it just only started playing on s4?
Yes, they have a love theme, and it started in season 4. I think it was first played in 4x06, when Olivia went to see Jake when he was locked up.Ā

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Scandal Fantasies...
Is the island just as much a fantasy as Vermont?
Olivia experienced both Vermont and the island, and she wanted both of them, which she has explicitly stated.Ā
However, just as Olivia can't escape her internal problems and truth by escaping to an uber fantasy life in Vermont, she certainly can't escape by running away to some far off, remote,Ā romantic island to live out the rest of her days with Jake. The only thing all of this serves is Olivia avoiding the acknowledgment of and full on dealing with internal dysfunctions that absolutely will not go away until she addresses it! This is not to say that she can't enjoy Jake or the experience of an island when well, but they won't fix her internal problems. Until she faces them head on, a broken person breeds broken relationships, no matter how much you love the person you are with.
This avoidance brings to mind Solange Knowles's song, "Cranes In The Sky"
"I tried to drink it away. I tried to put one in the air. I tried to dance it away. I tried to change it with my hair. I ran up my credit cared bill, thought a new dress would make it better. I tried to work it away, but that just made me even sadder. I tried to keep myself busy. I ran around in circles, think I made myself dizzy. I slept it away, I sexed it away, I read it away. Away, away, away...."
Olivia Pope can't island it away, Vermont it away, can't drink it away, sex it away, can't formidable it away, can't Pope it away.
She can't Fitz it away, nor Jake it away....
Of course, as stated in a prior post, the door has finally opened. In comes the light.
Olivia Pope: Primary Journey
@roundabout02: Iāve been thinking about your thought as to what Olivia was so afraid of in embracing the truth of her relationship with Jake. Iāve had my theory on this and would like to share it here. Excuse any grammatical errors, too tired to edit right now....
We as Olaker appreciators primarily see ā or talk about ā Olivia through the facet of the Olake relationship. Collectively, weāve thoroughly discussed and have presented an outstanding, fleshed out perspective of Olivia Pope prior to the island and after the island, which isĀ the facet of her life primarily focused on. However, this point of view reflects Olakeās journey, and as we know; Olivia does not amount to Olake. There exists a far bigger perspective of Olivia Pope - Iād say the grand perspective or the whole encompassing all other facets of Olivia; THE journey - that can address the great question as to why Olivia Pope has, or had, so much trouble embracing Jake. I see many angry or frustrated and short with her because of this, since she comes off as both dense and stubborn in recognition of this man, even selfish and inconsiderate. I certainly canāt say that she hasnāt been all of these things during the Olake Journey, but for me, it all logically fits into my theory for why this happens; her primary journey.
1/2 I was reading some Olake fan analysis. It talked about how the real marriage in 5x18 was Olivia and Jake. That it was consummated and agreed to when Jake asked her does she want to be with him and she nodded yes. Simple, honest and oddly innocent. Very OP relationship wise. Very Olake as well bc their biggest moments have almost always been quiet. And death or the threat of death parted them like you were saying as well. They were making a commitment to disappear for who knows how long.
2/2 Also in 5x18 Jake came off real to ppl who hadnāt liked him bc he was really vulnerable I think. He never let onto Liv before how much it hurt to not be chosen. Unless he was angry or reading her. Usually heās so solid and confident that Liv can lean on him. Even during 5a w the Fitz drama. Liv probably still doesnāt know how hurt he is over her ānot choosing himā. And him letting her and us in that night made us all melt. Iām curious how they will fix the broken trust between them in S6.
Geeeeez, you just said All The Things⦠Anyway, I think I know what post youāre talking about (this one by @roundabout02), and yes, I love that interpretation of what transpired between them in 5x18. I mean, like you said, it feeds right into my realization that the title āTil Death Do Us Partā is probably partially referring to Olake in that episode.Ā
About their big moments being āsimple, honest, innocentā, very Olivia, and very them ābc their biggest moments have almost always been quietā - yes, yes, and YES! SO true! On the last point, I think thatās why so many people took so long to see them as the real deal love story that they are. O/itz was written to be a loud, distractingly intense focus- puller, while gradually and subtly being torn down (until season 5, when Shonda & Co didnāt even bother with the subtlety anymore); Olake, at first and on the surface, may have seemed like Livās ā2nd choice/consolation/settle-for/take-it-or-leave-itā relationship, but was gradually and subtly being strengthened and built up. Until we get to 5x18 and some of the last skeptics were like, āOoooohhhā¦ā šÆ Meanwhile, Olakeās development wasnāt really subtle at all to the people who werenāt easily distracted by O/itzās theatrics. But even an Olake supporter on here once told me that they didnāt really have āromanticā moments. And sure, their most emotional and meaningful scenes are usually quiet, simple, and tend to be played out on Livās side as understated and mostly in her face and eyes. But Iāll be damned if moments likeā¦
āMaybe I can help you not be so sad.āLivās āClose your eyesā callbackāYour face saved me.āāIām not going anywhere.āāā¦I loved you. I loved you. I love you.āāIt feels like a first step.āāI want us to stand in the sun together.āāDonāt ever talk about me, and the sun, and another man again. Donāt ever do that. OK?ā āOK.āāMan, do I love you.āāYouāve saved my life multiple times, and all I can do is sit here, hold your hand, and hope that you donāt die.ā āWe never should have left that island.ā (Livās concern for him in that whole episode, tbh)4x22 goodbye scene 5x02 motel sceneTHISĀ š
ā¦are not ROMANTIC AS ALL HELL.
intensity/torturous angst/volume/melodrama =/= romance; quiet/simple/honest/understated =/= devoid of romanceĀ
The 5x18 scene where Liv agrees to be with him obviously fits right in with these, and since Iām currently re-watching s5, you mentioning it brought to mind a parallel with O/itz (and a bit of a tangent) - Fitzās doomed proposal. Shonda gave them a typical cliche textbook āromanticā marriage proposal, that Fitz didnāt even set up himself (strike 1)ā¦and it was totally beside the point of what Olivia wanted from him, so it immediately went down the trash shoot as she soundly rejected it (O/itz in a nutshell). Then she glumly and reluctantly agreed to marry him out of obligation (romance!), then hightailed it outta that impending wedding the first opening she got (thanx daddy and Mells!). The whole thing made O/itz look even more lame and laughable, and the audience agreed. Even YahooTV shaded them on Twitter.
Then thereās 5x18. Olake has half an episode of angst, emotion, breaking down of all pretense and, like you mentioned, exposing of vulnerabilities. And in Livās childhood home and bedroom, of all places. Jake straight-up asks if she truly wants to be with him, she runs to and embraces him like theyāre reenacting the tarmac scene from The Bodyguard. And the audience was In. Their. Feelins. Especially after Rowan went and ruined everything. Because only one of those āproposalā scenes was actually romantic. And heartfelt and real and included a man who Olivia wanted to commit to.
Aaaand Ok, Iām done. Again, wonderful ask! I enjoyed answering it.