Okay kids, it's time to have a little chat about Carol and her chronically low expectations in romantic relationships. And no, this post is not going to be all about her marriage to Ezekiel, tho that mediocre motherf*cker is definitely part of the pattern I'm looking at here. Instead, I want to concentrate on her s10 relationship with Daryl and the line above. Because as the Bard once said: there's a double-meaning in that. Personally, my response to this line is less *fistpunch* you go girl and more *facepalm* good god girl. While on the surface, yes, it can be read as positioning these two as a dynamic duo boldly taking on Alpha's hoard despite their superior numbers, it also has the undertone of Carol being uncomfortable with and resistant to Daryl's attempts to acknowledge and deepen their decade-plus-long relationship.
Let's unpack.
S10 presents us with a fully-grown man in Daryl, capable of supporting Carol through her many losses, communicating clearly and kindly with her during times of huge difficulty, and openly committed to progressing their relationship towards a deeper, maturer place. Carol, conversely, doesn't seem to understand this shift in her long-time buddy, why he's seeking more from her, speaking more to her, asking more of her, expecting more from her. Carol's unclear on why what they've always been is no longer "enough". She is totally content with what they have. Friendship. Comfort. Support. Understanding. Community. Back-up. Banter. Motor-bike rides. Acorn-tossing contests. And some fun sexual tension on the side. Her marriages had way less going for them, and I do mean both marriages. As far as she's concerned, they are rock solid. Her relationship with Daryl is one of the most healthy and long-lasting relationships she's ever had, especially with a man. So why risk it? Why ruin it? Why question it or push it beyond its limits? Whenever anything has gone to shit in the past, which it inevitably does, they've always been able to fall back on each other. Run back into each other's arms. Sometimes literally.
So why isn't that, why aren't they, enough anymore?
To be fair to Carol, Henry and Ezekiel were the male tentpoles holding up her life at the Kingdom. That sounds terrible but I'm still gonna extend that metaphor to say that Rick and Daryl were the other male tentpoles in her life, supporting her life before/outside the Kingdom. She's lost 3 of those major, male tentpoles. Daryl is the only important man left in her life. Her tent is ragged and sagging, all but collapsed on the ground. She is barely holding onto her sanity so wanting to fall back on supportive, comforting, familiar dynamics is fair. While Daryl has been secretly waiting out her marriage to Ezekiel, probably clocking each red flag as it waves, Carol is still emerging from a somewhat controlling dynamic with what turned out to be a pretty underwhelming partner in a pretty unequal partnership. She is not ready for anything deep and meaningful, which is why she keeps it light with Daryl. They play, they laugh, they talk, they flirt. She enjoys being around him, free from Ezekiel's control. She probably hasn't been able to fully and open-endedly enjoy time with Daryl for years. She's got the wind in her hair as they ride through the wilderness on his motorcycle, and considering all she's lost, you gotta love that for her.
The line above comes after a scene in which they discuss Connie, Daryl assuring Carol that it's not "like that" and Carol asking "why not?". Twice. She encourages him into relationship he does want, but not with Connie or anyone else, adding:
Daryl grimaces, smarting inwardly because he didn't think he was alone. He thought he was with her. He's sitting right there with her, has been there all along, but to her, that doesn't count. Not for much. It's difficult for him (and the audience) to gauge just how much Carol knows here. Because how he looks at her when she asks why not? is pretty fucking clear. Why not? Why not??? Because he's in love with you, you insane woman!! Her obliviousness to his openly expressed love is hurtful but the source of it is unclear. Is it that she thinks Daryl would be better off with someone like Connie, someone kind and pretty and brave? Does Carol think that she is just too much of a mess for someone as pure and inexperienced as Daryl? She's some old crone with too many ghosts surrounding her and two unwise marriages behind her? Maybe Carol clocks the special affection Daryl has for her but is doing her best to redirect him to someone more suitable, less likely to hurt his precious soul. Because sure, Daryl may think he loves her, but that's more to do with his big heart and romantic naiveté than with her being worthy of his love or them being a good match. Right?
I think it's all of this. I think it's the timing. Her focus is elsewhere. But I also think Carol just has very low expectations when it comes to love. When it comes to men and sex and relationships. Her last experience of love was defined by Ezekiel's flowery speeches and subtle control. He loved her shallowly, never knew her deeply. He needed her for his kingdom and she embraced the part that was required. But he was not super tuned into her wants or needs. And this last marriage was an improvement. Like, a massive step up from her first. To Carol, her marriage to Ezekiel was a GOOD relationship. To her, a handsome man offering stability, safety and co-parenthood was "enough". She was safe. She had a son. Eh. Good enough. "Good" and "enough" is not only all Carol expects. It's all she knows. All she knows how to do. And to her, her relationship with Daryl is also good and enough. It isn't that the idea of being known and loved in a more profound way is terrifying to her. It's completely foreign, totally outside of her lived experience of love. Carol literally has no concept of what Daryl is offering. He's saying: Let's take this further, let's go deeper. And she's like: Further doesn't exist, bud, there is no such thing as deeper. This is as good as it gets, soz. Hence:
I doubt she relishes dashing his idealistic hopes and romanticism with her bleak af reality check. And at another time in her life, she may have believed in the sort of profound romantic relationship and lasting soul-deep connection that he desires with her. She's not necessarily rejecting what he's offering. She just doesn't think it exists. Or if it does, it doesn't happen to her. He might be able to find love like that. But at this point, she feels incapable, her heart drained and exhausted by unremarkable, undeserving men. Daryl deserves more than the measly dregs she has left to give.
This scene in "Bonds" is one of many one-on-ones in which Carol and Daryl basically sit in a log and talk about their relationship. (And bless every soul who brought us such content after 10 years. Or in my case, a couple of months). These scenes punctuate and essentially bookend the season, with "Lines We Cross", "Bonds" and "Find Me". Their position and regularity tell us that they aren't just fun, incidental fan/shipper service, they mean to tell us something about this pairing, these characters and their dynamic. These scenes explore wants, desires and possibilities. Before their first date in the season opener (in TWDU, this is fucking date okay), Daryl asks his newly arrived seadog bff: "So what do you wanna do?". Now, I'm gonna guess that it was Daryl who planned every aspect of this date. He's been waiting for Carol's return and thinking about a good place to take her (Carol says she's never been on the path they take so she didn't pick their course). He's thought of somewhere with a few walkers to kill but not too many. He parks by a log, provides snacks. This is a man with a plan. But it's still important that he actually asks her what she wants to do. In part because Ezekiel, did not. Ezekiel had a habit of folding Carol's needs into his own, even before Henry's death.
In fact, what Carol wants is a recurring theme in ALL of these scenes, in each of these episodes and in others throughout the season. There is frequently an exchange that goes something like:
DARYL: So you want to do this? CAROL: (shrugging, mumbling, rephrasing to something similar that sounds vaguely minimising, cloaking her desire in humour) Yeah, I mean, I wanna do that, I guess...but you don't have to come with me or anything....
For instance, in "Find Me", when Carol finds him on the road, follows him to his bike, Daryl asks: "But you wanna come, right?". Carol can't just say: "Yeah, I wanna come with you. Is that okay?". She has to deny following him, say she wants to hunt whatever's left, help feed hungry Alexandrians. She has to shrug off the desire to spend time with him, hide her desire to repair and reconnect behind cute banter and funny stories about feet. And don't get me wrong, I LOVE the cute banter. I LOVE Carol pushing her way onto his bike and smiling over his shoulder. It's shippy af. And aside from the entertainment value, you could say that these sort of interactions are just more interesting and human and realistic because in real life people rarely just come out with what they want. We all talk around it, hide our vulnerability because what if we state our wants and needs and the other person says no? We get hurt, right? You could also say that the reason all of these scenes have similar dialogue around what Carol wants is that she is the season's protagonist, what she wants drives the action, the antagonism with Alpha. Except that the motif of deeply and persistently questioning what Carol wants outlasts her successfully enacted revenge on Henry's killer. Which implies that there is something Carol wants beyond -- perhaps even more than -- Alpha's suffering, regret and death (as expressed in that cave to Daryl). This persistent questioning of Carol's deepest desires also appears in the form of Alpha's apparition in Carol's mind, taunting her to say what she wants. Say it. Think it. Admit it. Face it. Feel it.
Carol doesn't -- can't -- face her innermost desire in this episode or any other. Which is why she can't really express it to Daryl or anyone else. Whenever she tries to communicate his importance to her or what she wants from him, she phrases it in the negative. She can't say what she does want, so she says what she doesn't want. There are two major moments where she does this. The first happens in "Morning Star", in which Carol approaches Daryl and begs:
The second comes later in the season but earlier, chronologically speaking, because it occurs in one of the flashbacks from "Find Me":
She can't ask for his love or forgiveness or understanding or patience, despite the fact that he would 100% give it. She can't say I want your love, she can only say I don't want your hatred. She can't say I want you in my life, just I don't want to lose you. And while we're on the topic of Carol's negative or inverse expressions of love/desire, it's worth pointing out that the opposite of lose is find. (See this post for why THAT is relevant). Now, obviously this last line refers back to that pivotal moment in the stable in s2 when Carol told Daryl after Sophia's death that she couldn't lose him too. Back then, the idea that he meant something to her caused a minor bomb go off in his boyish head. His whole world shifted on its axis and he looked at her differently from that moment on. He scowls at her a second as if he doesn't know what the fuck she's on about. (I always think of this as their Ross and Rachel moment but instead of "You're over me? When were you...under me?", it's more like "You don't wanna lose me? When did you...have me?"). By s10 tho, this veiled declaration of value and attachment is no longer the mind-blowing revelation it was to baby Daryl. In fact, considering all they been through, how staunchly he's stood by her and how long the two of them have lasted (longer than every single person on that farm), it's actually low-key insulting. I think I have a slightly different interpretation to these scenes than some shippers because I think Daryl is somewhat hurt by the implication that he could hate her. Or that she could lose him. He's disappointed that he even has to spell it out for her. It denotes a lack of trust, a denial of what she knows of him, how well she really should know him by now. He does it in each case, tells her what she needs to hear. Because that is just how much he loves her and how far he will always go for her.
In the first instance, he's calm despite being inwardly crushed by her lack of faith in the man-of-honor loyalty he's been silently enacting for years. In the second, he's just received an ultimatum from Leah (and there's some implication that Carol has received a similar one from her jelly hubby) so his response is less measured, his impatience with her leaking out:
Here, Carol's insecurity around their bond doesn't flatter. Or assure. It insults. It smarts. Because he doesn't know what else he can possibly do to demonstrate his commitment, his loyalty and love. What does a lonely hunter have to do to once and for all prove to the longtime love of his life that it simply is not possible for her to lose him? He's hers. For life. She's married to someone else. He's wanted by another woman. And even then, he's hers, heart and soul. She's a warrior queen and he's a river-dwelling vagabond. But every time she shows up on the river bank, she gives him a spark of hope that part of him hates. He'd like to be a little less in love with her so he can conveniently and contentedly shack up with Leah but that just isn't who he is.
As hard and hurtful as this pattern is for Daryl, I think the reason he weathers it is that he knows exactly where it comes from. Such low expectations are the result of abuse and neglect. When people who are meant to love and protect you turn on you, you stop expecting love and start hoping to just not be hurt. You don't seek care or support. You just avoid violence and humiliation. You don't expect happiness or fulfillment. You just hope for survival. You stop having needs because then you won't be disappointed when they're left unmet. Carol's chronically low expectations in relationship were put in place during her first marriage (and potentially before). Her second marriage, in which she was caged, contained, controlled, used, objectified and invisibilised, hardly helped. Daryl wants neither to harm nor contain her. He doesn't want to make her smaller. He doesn't want to make her into a symbol. He doesn't want her to serve him domestically or his vision politically. He wants to set her free. He wants her to be as big and bold and fierce as she can be. He wants her to have expectations of him, high expectations. To unequivocally expect his love and loyalty and support.
Most importantly, Daryl wants to know what she wants. He spends all season asking her, waiting for her to decide, hoping that what she wants is him. Because he wants to give her whatever she wants, or help her get it. He'll chase it all his days if she lets him. One of the few times that Carol does express a want is right back at the beginning of the season in the first of these scenes in which they sit and talk. She doesn't say "I want this" but, perhaps high on the moment, she does straight-up ask him to come out on the boat with her. At first, Daryl says no -- boat, no, but bike yes (although the pirate book we see later suggests that he might have taken up the pirate life if it meant being with his beloved). This idea of them running away to New Mexico on his bike recurs throughout s10. He returns to it at the end of "A Certain Doom", deliberately reminding her that, despite everything they've been through, they have a future in which she can want and he will listen. Whatever it is she wants, he will try to make happen. Whatever she expresses, he'll remember. Whatever she expects, he will do his absolute damnedest not just to meet her expectations, but exceed them.
Because Carol having high expectations of him would be an indicator of healing. And not just for her. No one ever expected much of Daryl. But for years he's striven to prove his value as a community member, trusted friend and principled leader. Carol holding consistently high expectations of him would mean that the person that matters to him most sees this effort, acknowledges his worth and progress from redneck adolescent into deserving man of honor. It would mean he can finally relax into being who he is instead of endlessly proving who he is. It would mean that they could relax into being, living and thriving, instead of being locked in a pattern of just surviving. In this first scene, Carol initiates a conversation indicating that just surviving somehow might not be enough for her anymore:
From here onwards, the words "New Mexico", writ large in the chyron of the first ep, come to encompass Caryl's mutual vision of freedom. Liberation, but liberation with intimacy -- a combination that's always defined this relationship. Neither wants to be caged by another (as Carol is with Ezekiel, as Daryl felt by Leah). Each has always freed the other to run off on whatever side quest they felt necessary. Just as long as they came back again. Previously, I wrote of Daryl and Carol as being realists in service to idealists. The future they envision here is one of the only times we see them envision something for themselves. It's significant that their moment of idealism, their moveable utopia, includes the other. It's also significant that they have both become capable of imagining something better than "good", more than "enough". Daryl believes in that vision with his whole heart, wants to make their ideal real. It's Carol who struggles to believe that they can actually have this dream of intimate liberation and interdependent healing. Considering all she's lost, all the hers burnt away, all the hopes dashed, the healing forestalled, it's understandable that she can't bring herself to expect, to believe, to hope. But this moment proves that some secret part of her that only Daryl hears from desperately wants to.












