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If Alexander were furious, would he really kill Hephaestion? and, what would happen after killing him
I honestly don't think he'd be able to, unless he were literally blind with rage or hallucinating. He killed Kleitos, although close to him, because Kleitos pushed him over the edge and both were drunk. It seems there had already been words between them and I imagine Kleitos had been quarreling with him for a while.
Many murders are committed by family members or someone else very close to the victim. I honestly don't think the murder of Kleitos was calculated (although a few have suggested as much). I think it truly was a crime of passion, and Alexander felt genuine remorse.
Yet he doesn't seem to have quarreled with Hephaistion the same way. I just don't see him killing Hephaistion with his own hand, ever. There was that threat in India, but as will become evident when my article on it comes out (probably next year?), I don't think that event happened, or not as Plutarch relates it. And even if it did and there was such a threat, when it came down to following through? No. Especially not in cold blood. As noted, the only way I think it could have happened would be a complete accident as a result of hallucinating or something.
And if he had killed him by his own hand, he'd have immediately tried to kill himself, just as he did when he killed Kleitos. He was stopped, and no doubt he would be in the case of Hephaistion, but then he'd just do it passively by drinking himself to death or something.
I did a Picture with Timax again, after a long while! And I included Reniei 's Character Kleitos too! The Picture was inspired of this very old Picture I drew like 3 years ago: www.deviantart.com/midnight197⦠A lot changed during that time x'D But I love seeing my Baby happy again :3 Hope you guys like it!
Dana! Such pandora box you opened with that Thriasus post!š«
Like i always wondered how your maids and suitors would look like in a modern au!
I would LOVE to see more!š«
Hehehe oh I know! Itās just that I donāt have much, I have a Eurydamas picā¦
Or Thriasus and Laomedes friendship
Thanks to wasa and Sinner we made a lot of hunger games /office games so I developed more Thriasus and gave him his glow upā¦
For the āoffice gamesā pic we decided to do funny photos.. well
Inside joke (oh plus in the first the lil guy is Pseras, Iāll see if someday Iāll make him public!)
Our bumble of joy Kleitos!šš
As regularly now Iāll spread some info!
Well as you can see my overly protective and diligent boy, regardless of trust or not itās protective over everyone! (Except the guards cause he trust them and feel like they donāt need protection on regular basis, only when in danger/hurt) he is a good puppy after all
I know I know
āBut what about Pyrros!?ā Heās therešāāļø I just need to work more on him, and actually give him more personality than just āIām grateful and overly protective over my older sisterā
But in anycase I might do a bonus chart with Pyrros as well! And use the double arrows!
Weāll seeā¦
Anyway!
I do find cute the detail that I most definitely headcanon him with Hercules (from the Disney movie)ās voice, while Melia has Megara as her voice claim so itās a cute detail I wanted to add!
Even if in reality, Melia sees him more like a younger brother, cause heās very much alike to her brothers!
The handsome fella standing next to Kleitos is Tychon, my beloved ladybug guard oc made by @genrihgayne š
(Go follow theyāre so cool and amazing, plus the art and animation? Peak, absolutely peak.)

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Kleitos of Ithaca
(ĪλειĻĻĻ ā ārenowned, called forthā)
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Spirit Animal:
Molossian Hound
Not merely a war dog, but a guardian of hearth and flock.
Symbolism:
⢠Protective without cruelty
⢠Strong yet warm-hearted
⢠Loud laughter, strong presence ā but disciplined in duty
⢠Loyal to the household above all
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Status in the Palace:
Kleitos entered palace service after Odysseus had already departed for Troy.
With the king absent, Ithaca required reliable men to maintain order beyond the palace walls. Kleitos was not born noble, but he was born free ā and in the Mycenaean world, freedom and reputation could open doors.
His family formally presented him to the palace as a man willing to enter royal service. Such arrangements were common: a free household could bind one of its sons to the wanaxās estate in exchange for honor, stability, and protection.
He was accepted not for bloodline, but for proven character.
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Backstory:
Kleitos was born to livestock keepers in the inland hills of Ithaca. His family raised large Molossian-type hounds trained to defend sheep from wolves and raiders.
From childhood, he learned:
⢠Strength is responsibility.
⢠Protection is service.
⢠The strong stand between danger and the vulnerable.
When Odysseus left for Troy, the balance of Ithaca shifted. Without a ruling king present:
⢠Local disputes grew more frequent.
⢠Minor feuds escalated.
⢠Authority became uncertain in rural districts.
Kleitos began stepping in during conflicts ā not as an official, but as a respected young man known for fairness and restraint. He broke up fights without bloodshed. He listened before acting.
Word of him reached the palace.
During a time when loyal manpower was needed, Kleitos was brought into service as a palace guard ā formally sworn to the royal household.
He became known quietly as āthe one who stands between.ā
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Kleitos is:
⢠A free man
⢠Bound by oath to the royal household
⢠Likely granted food, equipment, and status in return for service.
He is part of the kingās warrior-retinue ā though still young within it.
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Conflict with the Other Guards:
With Odysseus absent:
⢠The authority to punish noble guests is politically delicate.
⢠Penelope maintains the household, but cannot openly wage war on visiting aristocrats.
⢠Guards must tread carefully to avoid civil conflict.
Many older guards understand this. (Like Alkaimos or Pistos)
Kleitos struggles with it.
To him:
⢠Protection should not depend on politics.
⢠Disorder within the hall is still disorder.
⢠A house should not decay while its defenders stand idle.
When told:
āWe cannot act without the king.ā
He feels the frustration deeply.
But he does not disobey.
His restraint shows maturity beyond his years.
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Personality
⢠Open smile
⢠Quick laughter
⢠Tireless worker
⢠Direct and honest
⢠Deep moral clarity
⢠Protective of servants and common folk
⢠Genuinely believes in justice
He does not serve out of ambition.
He serves because he believes a household must be defended ā even in waiting.
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Strengths:
⢠Strong defensive fighter
⢠Excellent shield discipline
⢠Skilled at de-escalating conflict
⢠High endurance
⢠Inspires confidence among rural communities
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Flaws
⢠Impatient with excessive caution
⢠Struggles to understand political compromise
⢠Sometimes visibly frustrated
⢠Still learning the weight of hierarchy
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Relationship to Telemachus:
Kleitos respects Telemachus not because he is prince ā but because he sees him trying to grow into the role.
He may:
⢠Offer small words of encouragement
⢠Stand slightly closer when tension rises
⢠Be the first guard whose posture shifts when a suitor oversteps
He does not treat Telemachus as a boy.
He treats him as a future king.
And that quiet recognition matters.
Could the quarrel between Cleitus and Alexander have ended differentlyāwithout Cleitusās deathāgiven that both were intoxicated and the argument took place during a symposium? At that stage of the Asian campaign, and under those specific circumstances, why did Alexander feel entitled to punish Cleitus with death? This incident appears all the more striking considering that Alexander had always sought to project an image of self-control and magnanimityārefusing, for instance, to harm Dariusās family and often conducting himself with measured restraint in politically delicate situations. One might ask: was the killing truly necessary, or was it a tragic failure of temper? Above all, we know that the sources have exaggerated the conflict between Philip and Alexanderāso itās difficult to fully understand Alexanderās reaction.
Could it have ended differently? Almost certainly. Thatās the tragedy of the whole thing. I will say, I donāt think he āpunishedā Kleitos with death intentionally. His immediate reaction to the murder tells us it wasnāt anything so calculated as a deliberate execution. Like much in ATGās career, we may know what happened, more or less, but not WHY it happened. Thatās where the interpretation of our later authors (or the missing contemporary authors) gets in the way.
Some modern historians have even called into question whether it happened at a symposion, seeing the event as part of a later Roman trope of Drunk Alexander. Lord knows, Seneca and others use it as an example of an inability to control oneās passions. Nonetheless, Macedonian drinking partiesāalbeit exaggerated beginning with the writings of Theopompos onāwere a feature of Macedonian royal life. I could see one that ended in such a terrible tragedy.
So, Alexander killed Kleitos, but the circumstances are confused.
The reported argument between Alexander and Kleitos contained in any of our extant sources must, I think, be regarded has highly suspect. Even our so-called ābestā historical source, Arrian, places the event out of order in his history to create a narrative about Alexanderās increasing descent into Asian ātyrannicalā rule, a part of which includes the proskynesis event which my colleague Hugh Bowden has taken the air out of quite effectively. I no longer believe proskynesis happened.
So, if we reject the Roman-influenced narrative of good olā boy Macedonian upset at Alexanderās New Persian Airs, WHAT THE F. HAPPENED??! Why did Alexander and Kleitos fight?
Iām not sure thereās a certain answer. But I do recall that (I think?) Waldemar Heckel pointed out the Kleitos event occurred in the wake of the Marakanda massacre, and the symposion at which ATG speared Kleitos also featured an informal āplayā wherein the commanders of the lost troops were spoofed as at fault for their own deaths. It was the worst loss the Macedonians had experienced in Asia. Alexander wasnāt there, and so the loss didnāt technically fall on his tally sheet.
Except it did, because he failed to clarify the chain of command. This apparently resulted in contravening orders from the commanders, and that ended in catastrophic loss. At the symposion, Alexander did not call down as inappropriate those presenting the play.
That infuriated Kleitos, who challenged Alexander, and Alexander replied in a rage.
To me, that actually makes some real sense. The whole Baktria-Sogdiana campaign wasnāt going well and the Marakanda massacre became a very bloody cherry on top. Kleitos dared to call out Alexander for it. Things got really uglyā¦and just as bloody.
If there was any silver lining, itās that Alexander had some sense knocked into him. He looked more closely at the conflict. After this event, when he captured the Sogdian Rock and (maybe?) Roxana, he married his way out of the war in Baktria-Sogdiana. I say maybe captured Roxana as itās unclear if he acquired her there or earlier. Either way, he married her now and was able to leave the region (in peace) about three months later. The Marakanda massacre and murder of Kleitos appear to have been turning points in how ATG assessed his regional strategy.
I am not so cynical about Alexander that I doubt his sincere upset over what he did. Thatās part of why I think he (and Kleitos) may really have been drunk. But he appears to have learned something from it.
Hello, Dr. Reames! I have the same question about both real Hephaistion and Hephaistion from DWTL. Do you think he feared Alexander? Actually feared that Alexander could execute him or at least that it wasn't impossible? Especially after Cleitus' death.
Short answer: Yes. At least the historical man. After Kleitos's murder, he would have to have questioned.
My Hephaistion doesnāt fear Alexander would execute him while sober, but after Kleitos, he does wonder if Alexander in a rage could kill him. And, seeing Alexanderās reaction to Kleitosās murder, fears what Alexander might do to himself in his grief, as a result.
Yet the historical man may have enjoyed less certainty of his place than mine. We just don't know. After Kleitos died, I suspect fear was widespreadābut perhaps also a sense that āit couldnāt happen to me.ā If we can trust the accounts of the incident Kleitos was spoiling for a fight and deliberately provoked Alexander in a way I donāt really see Hephaistion doing. It may have acted as cautionary tale of how far one could--and couldn't--tweak the bear.