Jun 23, 2023
JAMES FRAIN as THOMAS CROMWELL throughout the seasons
Part. I | Requested by @ladauphines
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JAMES FRAIN as THOMAS CROMWELL throughout the seasons
Part. I | Requested by @ladauphines
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Different takes on how Elizabeth is shown dealing with her father’s death/dying. THE TUDORS // BECOMING ELIZABETH As a parent, Henry had one thing going for him (besides being there, alive) - his royalty. It was his name (not her mother’s unless you count her pride in her ‘most English” descent) that the adult Elizabeth would invoke frequently...[But] for the first half of the period - hardly more than a decade in all - that passed between Anne’s death and that of Henry himself, Elizabeth’s father was effectively an absentee from her life. (Sarah Gristwood, Elizabeth & Leicester)
In The Tudors, Elizabeth walks away from her last meeting with her father first without a second glance and as the audience we can sympathize, not only with her, but with Mary (who remains and cries moments after Henry exits), because of all the emotional trauma their father and his government have put them through. However, Becoming Elizabeth depicts Elizabeth as angry that the wheels of government do not stop to mourn her father, which is a choice the writers could make without turning heads, because the audience does not see her early upbringing and her mother’s fall so we don’t have the same emotional buildup as The Tudors. However, I think that both of these depictions together make up how Elizabeth felt and acted. Elizabeth was always aware that she walked a thin line being so close to the throne (even as a legally declared illegitimate child of the king). Her private feelings, unlike those of her sister Mary’s, were frequently masked as habit of pure survival. Therefore, putting on a sincere face of grief no matter how mixed her feelings were towards her father might not have been natural, but expected by the new regime and watched by those around her.
J*e strikes me as someone who opts for an open marriage but then sees it as being only open for him.
given all the cheating rumours that have followed him for years, you're probably right. look at how he's reacting to her working instead of staying at home with the kids
I loved how Andrew wasn’t the bitter ex band member and put their friendship first and fully understood what George Michael was going to be, probably not the full extent of it but the fact George needed to evolve.
It made sense once he said Wham! Was for the youth and there was never going to be Middle Ages Wham! It clicked for me.
My parents were teens of the 80s and my mum had their greatest hits, I have a vivid memory of dancing around to Bad Boys and the woop woops are ingrained in my head!. I have to say almost all my music taste somehow goes back to their album and George but it is only a recent realisation. I hope you are enjoying them!!! Freedom and I’m Your Man are my favs. Though Careless Whisper is making a comeback after what was revealed in the doco 17 and that???? What talent.
Exactly, which I always thought was super-classy and honestly, very mature of him (I honestly think if I was a teen in the 80s I would have had a little bit of a crush on him for it, tbh).
We had the big hits in Canada in the 80s (My Dad was a teen in the 80s and informed me of this), and it's just interesting to think about what was big in different countries. Obviously "Careless Whisper" and "Wake Me Up (Before You Go Go)" were massive everywhere, but I love how the documentary exposed me to songs they never play, even on our more retro/classic rock stations.
My Dad said "Freedom" was a big hit, but I'd never heard it, and I love it. Same with "I'm Your Man." And then even some of their more "naff" stuff, like "Wham Rap" and "Young Guns" just has that super-youthful energy, and shows a surprising amount of maturity in terms of its themes for something written when you're sixteen to seventeen.
Like, even if I had written a song about being unemployed when I was a teen, I don't think I would have had enough sense of character or myself at sixteen to think, "Wham, Bam, I am a man- job or no job, you can't tell me that I'm not." As an overachiever, it definitely took me until my twenties to be comfortable with not being defined by a job or gaining ALL my sense of confidence from what I do. And then Young Guns talking about premature marriage and children, and being locked into marriages you're not necessarily interested in? Like, there's clearly some great stuff there.
Also, their backing vocals are honestly also just clever and make me chuckle. Like, the thought of chanting "D.H.S.S." as your backing vocals ("Department of Housing and Social Services") when talking about being on the dole, and almost as something to toss back in people's faces with such youthful exuberance and a playful destigmatization of being on state support, is funny and clever and all I've been doing since I saw the documentary is just randomly singing out "D.H.S.S." everywhere I go. Same with "Everything She Wants"- the deep bass "GIVE YOU MONEY- WORK, TO GIVE YOU MONEY" has had me dropping my voice for the past week.
In short, they're so much more than the sum of their parts, despite being a self-described "schoolboy" band. I think they're a lot more clever than they give themselves credit for.
(Plus I just realized that in George Michael's solo career, the organ playing the chord progression at the beginning of "Faith" is the exact same melodic chord progression used in "Freedom," and it's just so clever. George really was far more talented than I ever recognized before. Brilliant. <3).
Ooooh happy to hear it’s David Oakes’ birthday!! A nice thing today. (We have an election and my party is loosing hard).
oh noooo :((( well, at least we hope the posts for david's birthday cheer you up and mayyyyybe bring some luck for your election party to win lol
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Emma Corrin as Jane Seymour vs Charlotte Spencer as Catherine Parr ?
Ooh, Charlotte as Catherine, definitely! I like to think I originated the idea of Emma as Jane (all the rumours are true) but Charlotte as Catherine is just ... brilliant. Showstopping. She fits Catherine's appearance to a T ('[Catherine] was said to have pale skin and the quintessential auburn hair of the Tudor age, and is thought to have been of a tall, graceful build, with leaden-grey eyes') and from what I've seen from her in Sandition, I think she could blend Catherine's charisma with her wit, cunning, courage, and outspokenness so well. Plus, she'd be the perfect age to play her (as long as this happens in the next couple of years – can we bankroll it now?)
Furthermore, while Charlotte is basically the only actress I envision as Catherine, I could see either Jodie Comer or Clemence Poesy as Jane (the latter I blame @machiavellianjane for).
But as captain of the KP Defense squad, what do you think?
How do you think BE is gonna handle Elizabeth and Philip? (That’s if they get a season two)
Thank you so much for your question!! To be honest - i'm really not sure how they're going to handle Elizabeth and Philip. With Philip and Mary i feel like they're going to go down the stereotypical infatuated Mary and an uninterested Philip which is what we normally see in most Tudor adaptations (or at least the ones i've seen lolol) However, with Elizabeth and Philip, i really don't know. I feel like it could go down a few ways, it could go down the Legacy by Susan Kay route where it has Philip infatuated with Elizabeth, and only being happy/in a good mood around Elizabeth in comparison to how he is around Mary, and him only wanting her safe because of said infatuation. The second route i think they could show is him not being infatuated with Elizabeth, but still having some sort of fondness, and likeness towards her, a bit more of a level headed Philip. But he also knows she could be the next Queen of England if he and Mary do not have a child, so he needs her as an ally and that is another reason he wants her safe and is kind to her, this route could also portray him as trying to be the peacekeeper between the sisters and the court. And this is why Philip wants Elizabeth safe. The final route i think could be them giving him a total villain arc where he is not only uninterested in Mary, but he has a strong dislike and distrust of Elizabeth as well, when we now he did not. Kind of like his portrayal in Elizabeth: Golden Age. They could show him as being responsible for the bad things that happens in Mary's reign, him trying to force a marriage on Elizabeth and him only seeing Elizabeth as a pawn. I feel like if they did this route they could even show him proposing a potential marriage before Mary is even dead to kind of cement the 'bad guy Philip' arc. I hope i've wrote everything okay! To be honest, i do not know a lot about Philip - the only time i've read parts about him is if it's in biographies of Elizabeth or Mary. I'm also basing my answers on portrayals of Philip that i have seen as well and not from actual history. I definitely think i should start reading a bit more about him lol.
Catherine Parr <3
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katherine parr is perhaps the wife of henry viii i'm least familiar with buuut
honestly the fact that she was able to talk herself out of an arrest??
like she was obviously a well read and intelligent woman and i love to see that
she was a writer!!