Confusion over how Karpati presents itself.
On shorthair it presents quite dark over the back. Here is it on Transylvanian cat.
But then in some other versions it has white spots on its back???? This is shown well on this red karpati laperm variant outcross. Reminds me slightly of salmiak but with pale face instead of blaze.
It was listed as red karpati on @felinefractious
On longhair it seems to be paler over the back? Or is it the curls messing with it on these laperm longhairs?
Also where did the white points go?
The spots remind me of salmiak. Which is think is related to karpati. But I swear it's not in any breeds yet, only randombred, also has that "blaze" on the dark face..
So I think it gets paler on longhair????
Where is the laperms karpati white points. They seem to be darker in the face???
But why do some have spots and others not? Why do none of the laperms ever show spots on longhair or curly coats?
Is it the same mutations or is it secretly salmiak or something. But I thought salmiak wasn't in any breeds yet.
Karpati just confuses me.
All photos except salmiak are from @felinefractious
The problem with karpati is that we do not understand how it works yet. The expression varies greatly from "we know this black cat is actually karpati because we saw it when it was younger" to "silver-white" and we don't know what's the difference between them.
It has been suggested some of this might be a heterozyote-homozygote difference, and i'm willing to believe that, but clearly there is more to this that a simple intermediate inheritence. I think the strength of the white on the muzzle is one these aspects.
The spotted phenotype in particular is thought to be homozygous karpati, but nothing is for sure yet. The curly hair probably breaks the spots up totally, also i think rexes has differently structured hairs (no guard hairs?), that's why they look lighter.
The lighter cat from above, and her family tree showing the spotted red cat you mentioned. Note that this is from 2023, and since then it turned out the "finnish pattern" is a different phenomenon. And uh, this is just my thought, but i think it's possible that one particular cat, the famous finnish mutation, is both karpati and salmiak, because salmiaks usually aren't that clearly spotted either, more evenly roaned. Although the ears aren't white, so maybe not.
So all in all: don't worry, karpati confuses everyone. It probably has a bunch of modifiers, that's why some have bold white patterns and some has hardly any, and also why the expression on the face varies so much.