of course, not all of us can come out the holes we sunk into... (in case you dont want, the banner below is a ep 109 themed banner)

Okay okay. I'm gonna focus on Vyncent for a sec. I'm a south asian poc, so Vyncent being canonically asian is p important to me! I don't get to see a lot of people like me represented in media, so despite how shittily it's been handled by the crew he's like. My guy!! I love him! I love that he reflects some of the alienation (literal lmao) that a lot of us experience and the way that different social norms can cause us to be socially awkward at times.

I'm going to hold off on yapping about how important Vyncent is to me for a minute to just say like. He's such a complex character. There's so much to talk about with him. Even if you want to look at romance, I think you could spend hours talking about how him being a person of color intersects with him being queer. Idk maybe it's just because I'm a poc that I know about how that can be complicated in a way that a lot of white people don't entirely grasp. But I just get so sad when I see people talk about Vyncent just as an extension of Will. Like don't get me wrong, Will is a neat character, but it sucks so bad to see people ignore all the complexity that Vyncent houses. People like that don't even explore what that relationship would look like from Vyncent's side. I'm sure he has!! Emotions?? Do you guys remember that we also have emotions?? About the people around us???

Anywho enough of me being an inarticulate weirdo thank you for your post I'm so happy to see people talking about this shit. I love this fandom sometimes but god the racism and misogyny is so hard to ignore. Oh and the fatphobia. Fuck that so hard. Lots of love /p thank you bye bye bye bye bye.

IT TRULY IS WHITE GUY CENTRAL THATS THE WORDS ANON!!

i am always happy to acknowledge that bad rep is still rep, and characters of bad rep can still be related to by others, not to mention vyncent is genuinely such an interesting character with a complex relationship to morality, heroism, humanity, and even forming relationships (like the alienation you mentioned) so to see him be so watered down is... bothersome, to say the least.

it isnt even that hes an extension of will at some points, sometimes hes just a meaningless plot device to let the white boy shine above (i mean, we always seem to view the pining from wills end, only seeing vyncent as the obvious pretty boy, as if hes just a cardboard cutout to look at, which i already ranted about lol)! its so annoying because even if it diminishes wills character, it kills vyncents character and its to a point where i dont like looking into jrwi main tags. will is interesting, but hes as interesting as a pc as any of the other pd characters! and vyncent! has! emotions! about! will! (even if i aim to make people think about the characters beyond contexts of romance and such, since people tend to use those as ways to put characters in boxes, thus my comments of "afamilial and aplatonic beam")

jrwi is also no stranger to ableism, and ill take every opportunity and more to complain about the "short and stupid juice". making jokes about disability isnt inherently ableist (as in like, joking about having a disability, my best example is how whenever im super fixated on something i like going "thank god im autistic" or something to that extent, or someone with bpd calling it beautiful princess disorder), what IS ableist is turning disability to a joke. i dont think the amputations in riptide have been ableist (again, disability can be a joke, theres ways to not be a dick about it), but i do think calling a source of malnutrition which caused a developmental disability "short and stupid juice" is an act of ableism. i think its weird how little physical disability rep we seem to have (of course i could forget a lot of them and be wrong on this front) and that a lot of it Is used for jokes- not ableist in nature, but it is weird in my book.

i cannot speak much on the fandom (since scrolling fandom tags isnt something i often do) but if anybody wants to provide criticism of my points or throw in their own examples feel free to do so!!

inspired in part by the confessions blog and also this like witch hot takes blog i saw which was really cool

heres the original ask if youre wondering where youve seen this before

(oh and the ao3 link!)

bizly: alright as your all sitting there, what are you doing?

condi: probably like talking-

charlie: talking, yeah, planning,

will: okay guys, this is gonna be a bit different. the trickster killed a lot of people using ashe-

yakko (in ashes voice), rolling his eyes and smiling a bit: wouldnt be the first time

will: imagine what it could do with mals- pause.

(the vc has some chuckles happening)

will: ashe, what- what does that-

vyncent: what about the trickster?

ashe: look guys, the trickster is a dangerous demon and the last time he got control...bad things happened and now theres airport security

(bizly is the first to erupt into laughter, condi and grizzly following after, charlie is just jaw dropped shock)

charlie: HELLO??

condi: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

bizly: oh i think you know what it means

grizzly: YOU- PUT DOWN THAT SMIRK BIZLY-

will: ashe what the fuck does that mean. ashe what the fuck does that mean. ashe. ashe answer me.

(yakko is laughing too hard to provide a response)

dakota: ASHE DID YOU KNOCK DOWN THE TOWERS

vyncent: whats a tower

(call is bursting into laughter again)

charlie: NO, WE CANNOT- THIS CAN NOT BE REAL

condi: bizly, bizly please

grizzly: this is worse then sewer ravioli.

charlie: THIS IS- no, sewer ravioli is beautiful, but bizly what the actual fuck

bizly, calming down from laughter: so...so...you know how-

condi: bizly please say this is a joke.

bizly: you know how, you know- (he starts laughing again)

bizly: you know how you guys had to go through TSA?

charlie: OH FUCK OFF DUDE

grizzly: we're actually getting cancelled for this one-

charlie: episodes over! no more prime defenders! (bizly and yakko start laughing in the background) uh, i hope you guys enjoyed bizly's superhero campaign, unfortunately its now official done and destroyed, we'll see you never again!

condi: no, no no no, i cannot get over this, bizly did you make 9/11 canon?

grizzly: NOT JUST CANON, BUT FUCKING ASHE??? THE FUCKING TRICKSTER???

ashe: guys listen-

will: NO. WE ARE NOT DOING THIS

vyncent: i still dont know what a tower is

will: VYNCENT SHUT THE FUCK UP

dakota: vyncent how do you not know what a tower is

vyncent: cause they got destroyed by dragons