Should I make a video on it? I have a lot of reasons :3
1) Jeff and CW are friends canon on CWâs old character sheet
2) both strong and brutal and are good at fighting
3) Toby and CW break up / Toby dies and CW goes to Jeff for comfort and feelings developed.
4) in my story FM clockwork is forced to kill Toby and become Slendermans proxy to bring him back. And CW just couldnât love Toby the same after that, causing them to break up and CW goes to Jeff, her friend to vent about it.
5) when Sebastia came to the manor and Seb and him started being affectionate, this made CW feel kinda shitty so Jeff tries to defend her (in a stupid way)
6) another reason Jeff doesnât like Seb is bc he feels she âstoleâ Toby away and is rubbing it in CWâs face.
7) Jeff loves CW but doesnât know how to properly express that so he just hates Sebastia and Toby bc heâs so protective of CW
8) I could go on about this, but Iâll stop here lol
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âYou guys just make Jeff and emo that you drool over!1!2â And? Who gives a fuck? Emo culture has always been part of Creepypasta too. Theyâre very connected. We all know Jeff isnât âcanonicallyâ like that but itâs fun and goofy and of itâs time. Who fucking cares? Also heâs not a 13 year old. Itâs weird because Jeffâs age was never a problem till the modern fandom now??? Like his story left it so open to interpretation. Back in the day everyone seemed to understand that. The story literally says âcurrent age and whereabouts unknownâ be he ages and he can be any age depending on the context and time period of your story. He can literally be 13-45. Crazy. Yeah I sound like a bitch in these posts kinda. I just hate the âbetter than youâ mindset
okay, so i've been thinking about jeff's backstory, and i came up with my own headcanon. there's this idea that the only kills he truly regrets are his parents and liu, at least before he found out liu survived. it's not like jeff would ever admit this to anyone or even be fully aware of it himself at first. but i can see him carrying that guilt for years, even though he's way too far gone to ever turn back or change his ways.
it's important to remember, though, that this doesn't make jeff some kind of anti hero or secretly a good person deep down. he's still very much a villain. we might be able to understand where he's coming from or why he sees the world the way he does, but that doesn't make his actions justifiable by any means. at the end of the day, he's still a murderous edgelord who enjoys killing people for the plot. idk, i just like the idea of complex villains who are still evil for the sake of it, plus the angst. like, just imagine jeffâs face when he realizes liuâs alive and is actively hunting him down alongside jeffâs other opps.
I love complex angsty Jeff sm!!! I just think he covers all his guilt and feelings with the front of him not caring or having no feelings and being super mean. All of itâs a shield although he is really mean with a god complex still. Idk Jeffâs a mess. I love and hate him :3
âToby/ other characters would be an abuser!1!â A talk on why that pisses me off
Hi. My name is Seirei. I donât want to share super personal shit on the internet, but due to certain factors in my life I have BPD. (this is NOT self diagnosis. I have been to a professional and for now they think I have this due to certain trauma/ symptoms Iâve shown) This is part of the cluster B personality type. That being said Toby and many other creepypasta characters either canonically have ASPD/ BPD or itâs a generally accepted headcanon that they do. Now this in itself doesnât bother me if itâs done well and with research. But the problem is most ppl just slap these labels onto them without doing the proper research. Iâve gotten multiple comments on my TikTok like âwell I think Toby is an abuser bc he has ASPD/ BPDâ I hate that. I hate that so much. You guys say itâs for ârealismâ but youâre just demonizing mental disorders. Youâre demonizing people like me. In you having your ârealismâ youre hurting me and ppl in the cluster B personality type. ASPD/ BPD doesnât instantly make you an abuser. These are personality disorders brought on trauma. Especially trauma with parents/ family. People with ASPD/ BPD know that weâre not well all the time. Weâre suffering from disorders that affect our lives. From trauma/ experiences that we didnât ask for. These are DISORDERS. These arenât fake edgy illnesses that you can slap onto a character with no thought when you want them to be angsty. For example when ppl say âToby would be an abuser/ not be capable of love because of his ASPD and he went through abuse in his pastâ not only are you taking away the depth of his character, youâre just straight up demonizing mental disorders. If you read his story, he loves his mom and sister so much. People with ASPD can love. But it does cause him to be obnoxious and rude. But this isnât coming from a place of malice. Heâs a traumatized man w a disorder! This isnât me saying Toby can do no wrong and heâs 100% healthy. Toby definitely has issues and Iâd never erase that. But to call him an abuser because he has ASPD is so gross and youâre just demonizing ASPD to be edgy without doing research on it or the cluster B personality type in general. As I said before, people with cluster B personality type KNOW we have disorders. We live with them every day. They affect our lives, our relationships, ourselves. We know that we fuck up and what we do isnât healthy all the time. We KNOW. Weâre not doing it because weâre âabusersâ weâre suffering and hurting. Again this isnât me saying that everyone with BPD/ ASPD is a good person whoâs willing to do the work and grow. There are bad people with these disorders. But that doesnât mean everyone who has them are instantly abusive. Iâm not an abuser at all. Never have been and never will be. But BPD does affect me and the way I act that can come off as hurtful/ unhealthy and I KNOW THAT. Im always actively putting in the work to be better, like a lot of people with ASPD/ BPD. Just because we have these disorders doesnât instantly mean we canât change/ be better. Doesnât mean weâre not humans with emotions/ trauma of our own. Toby obviously had to do some kind of inner work to be able to be with Clockwork the way kastoway portrayed them. (If itâs canon or not is irrelevant here)When you say shit like âToby is abusive bc of ASPD/ BPDâ thatâs what youâre telling us you think of us. You see us and treat us like monsters but then talk about how much you love Toby/ other characters for having our very real disorder. ASPD/ BPD can be seen as two sides of the same coin. They have so many similarities but are shown in different ways. Do proper research before you talk about mental health because youâre stigmatizing/ demonizing disorders that are already looked down upon. Toby does canonically have ASPD and possibly BPD but itâs written into his character pretty well(as well as a 13 year old in the 2010s can do) and now that ppl are older we can actually analyze his character/story correctly. But Jeff and many other characters still arenât getting this same treatment and they need it.Do better.
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Grlll imma need some moreJeff content. Idk what exactly but I need it, maybe some romantic/ normal headcannons. Whateva u do I will rlly appreciate it and love it
Omg my first boyfriend ever, Jeff!!!! Iâm starting to love him all over again heâs so nostalgic! Anyway in no specific order here are more hcs for him! I used Nina as an example of how he views/ thinks of being in relationships (once again I hc Nina as black)
Jeff is 30 years old
Him and Toby were born the same year but Jeff is a little older
Despite what everybody thinks Jeff is capable of love
But his love isnât normal or kind
His love is intense obsession and admiration in a way
For example in his own way he really did love Nina
But heâs just such a bad person that he couldnât or rather refused to properly show it
He admired the was she threw her life away for him he admired the way she was willing to let him run her life for so many years
He was obsessed with her in his own way, the way she worshiped him making him feel like he was above everyone
Nina left him after coming to her senses though, and he constantly plots on how to break her down and get her back, despite being with Toby now
He is very protective over the people he cares about though
Willing to kill anyone who even makes them feel slightly bad
His obsession will make him very possessive
Why would you need anyone but him anyway? Heâs literally Gods gift to Earth
You should be happy he loves you this much
Heâs very smart with his words and actions
Heâs very calculating and cunning
Part of this manipulation to make people stay is because he actually does crave genuine connection in his own way
He just doesnât know how to do that
Heâs always been rude, antisocial, blunt and self serving
All that being worse now that heâs a murderer
He canât ever change. Not that he wants to
So instead of trying to change heâll just use his smarts and tactics
He loves the way he is why should he have to change for anyone?
He still thinks of Nina even though he wonât ever admit it
He remembers the nights heâd hold her close and heâd feel her warmth
He remembers how heâd get her small things for her birthday and how her face would light up, shocked that he even remembered
âHey, got you somethingâ
He throws it towards her
âJeff! Brass knuckle necklaces?! I love them! Howâd you get these!â
âKilled their original owner. Youâre welcome. You donât know how hard it is to find people with shitty taste like yours.â
Nina doesnât even care about the insult as she excitedly tries on her new jewelry
He remembered how theyâd encourage each other toxic and self destructive self serving behaviors
âWanna rob that Hot Topic?â
âYes!!!â
âOkay letâs go stab someone so the rest run and we can raid the place.â
âYay! I love you!â
âI love me tooâ
He remembers how they were partners in crime together
He misses her smile and bubbly personality
He remembers how Nina would do what he said because they loved each other the same way
Deep obsessive admiration and impulsivity
He remembered when they kissed for the first time
It was rare that he showed affection to her or touched her at all but when they did it solidified in his mind that she was given to him by God himself. He deserved her. She was made for him.
Heâd never felt so right. He never thought anyone would make him feel the way she did. Sheâs perfect to him. Even though heâd never say that. Canât have her thinking that theyâre on the same level
Some nights heâd just stare at her while she slept, touching her skin that felt just like his. Even leaving soft, bloody kisses on it.
Heâd only do this when she slept, not wanting her to see him vulnerable or affectionate at all.
âSo beautiful. Just like me. Just the way I made you.â Heâd say as he traced the permanent smile on her cheeks and her burned dark golden brown skin
God he hates Toby for taking that away from him
Nina and Jeff were perfect together in his eyes
He hates Toby for telling her different and showing her stupid healthy love
Toby took away Nina, Jeffâs God given right.
He shouldâve killed Toby when he had the chance
Nina started becoming more âboringâ the moment they started talking with each other
Then one day she fought Jeff and left him completely
He shouldâve killed Nina too
How could she do that to him? She was his in every sense of the word
He made her
Made her to be just like him
But Toby told her that was âmanipulationâ and took her from him
He hates them both and is plotting revenge every day
He was actually really close with Toby
So he feels betrayed by 2 people he cared about
His face is severely infected because every time his scars start to heal or close, he opens them right back up
They only get more beautiful each time in his eyes
His hair is long and goes to his mid back
Itâs tangled and messy and unkept
Listens to metal music a lot
Actually gets some ideas about how to kill from metal musicâs lyrics
Knows Liu is alive
Has mixed feelings about it
On one hand, he loves and misses him
On the other he sees Liu as a failed job of his and finds it insulting that heâs still alive
So he just avoids him until he canât anymore
âHey brother, remember me?â
âHow could I forget the only person who I failed to kill?â
âYouâre a piece of shit, Jeffâ
âYouâre making me blush, Liuâ
They still banter and talk to each other like brothers
They both missed it
Theyâre the only family they have left
So both hesitate to kill each other
That doesnât stop them from beating each other up though
Jeff is scared of fire, even though he will never admit it
His skin has healed pretty well over the years
But itâs still not super smooth
Is good friends with Clockwork
They talk shit about Toby and Nina
Who wouldâve thought their exes would be together?
Wants her help getting revenge, but Clockwork doesnât want to hurt Toby
Jeff calls her weak for it
Jeff likes her company a lot, despite that
Part of him wouldnât mind being with her
Sheâs brutal, strong, street smart, and pretty
He sees a lot of himself in her and thatâs probably why he likes her so much
Thereâs no one Jeff loves more than himself
Once you get used to him Jeff can actually be a pretty cool friend
He loves to smoke and drink
Used to smoke with Toby before everything happened
Offensive and dark humor
Which is why him and LJ get along sometimes
Jeff is actually extremely loyal
If Nina stayed he wouldâve been by her side forever
He feels stupid for caring about her and being so obsessed with her and admiring her
Jeff is 6â2
He smells like blood and beer
Heâs pretty skinny
His eyes are dark blue like an ocean which would be pretty in a normal context but on him itâs pretty unsettling
His hips are always swollen but also thinned out because of the permanent smile stretching them outwards so itâs uncomfortable to look at
Jeffâs wardrobe is very simple
Plain black or white shirts, black pants and a random hoodie
Big hands perfect for delivering hard hits to victims and the other pastas he fights
If you were ever gonna be with him you have to accept that what you want and your feelings come second to his
Jeff isnât a good person by any means
But but he doesnât care
He knew he was a bad person for years and heâs done hiding it or trying to change
Can u tell us more about the Jeff x Nina dynamic? Or any Jeff hcs if you haven't done it already?
Actually Iâve talked about this before! Both in my Jeff hcs and Nina hcs! Just search for it on my tumblr if you wanna read them! But Iâll try and summarize them here lol
Nina and Jeff dynamic hcs (summarized)
Jeff veiws himself as perfect and is extremely self centered
Almost like a god
So when Nina became obsessed with him he decided to âgrant herâ the wish of being just like him and belonging to him
He veiws himself as Ninaâs creator
Nina would do whatever he said when he said it
When they slept next to each other, he would trace her smile that matched his
âSo beautiful, just like I made youâ
Literally veiws Nina as his god given gift and right
He actually does âlove herâ in his own way
Although heâd never admit that
Heâs obsessed with her
The way she admired and worshiped him
The way she wanted to be like him
The way sheâs so anything for him
He âlovedâ her
Nina sees Jeff as the man who âsaved herâ
It was because she wanted to be like him that she was able to fight her bullies off and escape her home life
Jeff is the one that gives her âloveâ and praise
Especially when she does what he says
Itâs like a drug to her
His âloveâ and praise
They feed each others addictions and behaviors
Nina not knowing better, doesnât know that itâs bad for her
Jeff is her first ârelationshipâ
She didnât have a healthy one to ever look to
She just wanted someone to love her and keep her safe
Jeff loved her right?
He would give her small gifts and praise so he loved her right?
He only called her beautiful when he traced them smile he gave her
He only touched her when he needed something from her or when she was sleeping
He doesnât want to be vulnerable with her
In his own way heâs scared of being abandoned or unloved
But his personality is horrible and wonât change so heâll manipulate people, especially Nina to stay with him
Why change when youâre perfect?
Toby eventually brings Nina to her senses and shows her what a healthy relationship is
Toby had experience being in a healthy one
And Nina leaves
Jeff hates her for it and is trying to manipulate her to come back to him because at the same time heâs obsessed with her and loves her
Jeffâs trying to kill Toby
Not only because he took Nina, but Toby and Jeff were close friends prior to this
So he got betrayed by 2 people
Jeff sees Nina as his creation and right so Toby taking her away is the ultimate form of disrespect to him
