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One For Sorrow is an epic Thorki journey by TheBookhunter aka @incredifishface

Please read it here

https://archiveofourown.org/works/11271369/chapters/25205754

She saw my Timothee Chalamet art and dubbed it “Sorrow Loki” so with some minor tweaking, I created her very own Sorrow/Loki image. Who can resist his beauty?

Please reblog. I’m tagging a few to get this train rolling. Be safe everyone ❤️

Oh man. Oh, odin, odin. One-eye, old grimnir, the gallows god with the mead of poetry, spear-master and glad of war, friend of wolves and ravens… i gotta admit, my first thought reading this was “what arc” because, in mcu though not quite as much as in the comics, odin is basically always written in terms of what the story needs for thor and for loki, so any inconsistency in their characterization is magnified in odin. And if you manage to piece together a coherent narrative arc for him in thor 1 and tdw, then ragnarok comes along and fucks that right up.

And, i mean, there was a coherent narrative to be pieced together in thor 1 and tdw, mostly. They were both very much the story of the sons’ relationship with odin, and the trajectories of those two stories for thor and for loki are very different, and the fact that they reflect two very different versions of odin is a cool thing about it. Because marvel odin is not mythology odin, but there are a few fine threads of similarity. A few notes that make it through the noise. Odin shouldn’t be completely straightforward. He’s supposed to be a little uncomfortable to think about because you’re never quite sure if his methods for achieving good ends are actually kinda terrible or if you’re just not seeing the whole picture the way he does. And at the same time he’s supposed to be flawed and fallible and doing his best in an unwinnable battle but making completely undeniable mistakes because he thinks he knows better. I feel like, though there is inconsistency in the details, the totality of thor 1 and tdw get that general gist pretty well, particularly in how we see him through the lens of different characters along the way.

(it’s actually… i mean, what a fruitful decision to have a character of that sort and have him as the father of two very different sons. What a way to be able to tell stories about some completely different conflicts in that paternal relationship!)

I think where ragnarok really fucked up with odin is that it didn’t actually engage with that tension or even acknowledge it, so he doesn’t have an arc at all. He’s either a symbol of asgard’s evil imperialist past or a force ghost guiding thor to greatness, and it does nothing with the fact that those were the same person; these ideas don’t ever interact. Either way, he doesn’t get to be a real character with a real arc. And all of the family stuff that had been stirred up in his arc over the previous movies gets unceremoniously dumped over the side as well and never gets dealt with. So it flattens all their stories and is just really disappointing all around.

One for sorrow by @incredifishface

i agree with the above. “Serious” does not equal necessarily “emotional depth”, and comedy doesn’t entail lack thereof...

I’m literally not referring to any of your criticisms of Ragnarok that you have written, and I put a note in my post for a reason because while I do not agree with many of the criticisms of Ragnarok around, I respect that people have them.

I do not agree with them because 1) I have seen Loki portrayed similarly in comics, 2) I think people misinterpret and over react to Taika’s personality all the time, and 3) I don’t think being funny = treating everything like a joke.

That’s my opinion. I stand by that. Yet, I haven’t been able to discuss my opinion on anything Ragnarok related without people projecting anti-Ragnarok opinions onto me when I really enjoyed the movie.

No one tags my criticisms of other movies with #anti [insert movie] or #anti [insert creator] or #[insert movie] criticism. No one on my dash openly hates the Russo’s or Whedon or whoever else has been involved in Marvel.

This, despite the issues I have with them.

I am really referring to comments I have seen floating around that put previous and current creators on a pedestal for being more “mature” and “serious” in their projects when they have a lot of the same problems if not more.

To some degree, you are doing that now in reference to the Russo’s previous movies. It’s fine that you have those opinions about them, but there are valid criticisms people have about those films and about them.

Yet, no one is treating the Russo’s as if they have no idea what they are doing because their approach is viewed as more mature, more serious, and more intelligent no matter what they choose to do. 

As much as I have issues with certain elements of Ragnarok, I saw elements that demonstrate Taika’s competency as a creator as much as anyone else involved in Marvel which people refuse to see.

He’s not more or less invested or more or less competent because of how he approaches things. I’m not asking for you to like him or his movie, but rather for people to see that his personality =/= less competent, less invested.

And.

I don’t think it’s fair, from my perspective, that I can’t even discuss this issue without people again laying into Taika Waititi and Ragnarok as a whole as that wasn’t the point of this post at all. 

The icy prince loves flowers crowns, loves Asgard’s tradition of wearing them to festivities. 

Thor loves seeing him smile while he puts them on his head. And nothing else. 

A for Asshole by @incredifishface

Hiii @incredifishface and thank you! That’s lovely of you to say. I’m glad it brought a smile to your face.