Roman polytheist struggles: Having to buy Parentalia flowers at obscene Valentineâs Day Markups

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Roman polytheist struggles: Having to buy Parentalia flowers at obscene Valentineâs Day Markups

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A question for everyone: Would posts on some of the historical academic biases, misconceptions, and trends in Roman religious studies be helpful and/or interesting?
Iâve found myself doing a lot of reading in that area, and tracing the history of the scholarship can be even more dense and elitist than the usual, so Iâd love to break down some stuff. Roman religious studies are very isolated and the developments filter into broader studies very slowly, so a lot of academia and media still hold a lot of fossils of bad discourse, as it were.
...But on the other hand, I donât want to sound like Iâm telling people the scholarship they based their practice on is outdated! This kind of thing is fascinating to me, but I donât want to imply any value judgments on people whose practice contradicts new evidence or developments. So if anyone has opinions, or areas theyâd be especially interested in me exploring, Iâd love to hear your thoughts.
Would anyone be interested if I started posting article summaries from my research, ala @hyacinth-halcyonâs brilliant Butler efforts? Less as a breakdown of dense text, and more as opportunities for discussion and for brief glimpses at a lot of different arguments/developments for those without the time to pour through so much research...
My partner just told me âLady Diana is proud tooâ and I did the weirdest double take.
Babe. I know you loved Wonder Woman but THE LOOK ON MY FACE JUST THEN.
Question time. I am reading Marcus Aurelius's Meditations and in the first book he condemns "homosexuality." The Meditations were originally written in Greek, I know, but I'm not sure if ancient Roman concepts of male-male relationships translates easily into modern English. Unfortunately the translator/editor does not make any useful notes on this passage. Can you shed some light on male-male relationships in Roman antiquity?
SO. Despite being queer, this is something I read less about than I should, because it is kind of a minefield of exhaustion. To begin, you need to be constantly aware of the huge gaping discourse pits that plague ancient sexuality studies, especially when it comes to male-male relationships:
1. Labeling issues.Modern sexualities do not map to ancient ones. This should be kind of obvious as they are separated by 2000+ years of history, but you would be surprised how badly this works out in practice. The problem here is that after being violently written out of history for basically forever, anything that vaguely sounds like âgay people didnât exist back thenâ is obviously inflammatory. (And some gross academics have indeed argued just that.) The basic idea is that there is no neat 1-to-1 translation system of our current sexuality spectrum to the ancient spectrum, and our modern day realities canât be imported backwards. However, this leads us toâŚ
2. Language issues.We donât really have specific terms for much of the ancient spectrum, so we have to use modern words, which results in people applying their current conceptions. But wait, thereâs more! Weâve got textual/linguistic issues where there is no differentiation between words for homosexuality (interest-only-in-men), homosexual behavior (acts-with-men), and pederasty. Â Then you have hundreds of years of bigoted translators conflating homosexuality and pederasty. And then youâve got today, where pederasty itself doesnât neatly map to modern CSA but is understandably not something victims want distant academics philosophizing about!! Everyone is trapped navigating between Abuse Apologism and the Predatory Gays stereotype, which are both a helluva lot more harmful than Scylla and Charybdis ever were.
3. Reception issues.With modern lgbtqia+ movements and queer theory rising in academia, weâve seen a lot more perceptions and interpretations of classical works. Thereâs a tendency for any academic questioning of these minority narratives to be taken as an attack (and sometimes it IS, like with the hyper-focus on Sappho). A lot of âWesternâ sexuality movements also owe a huge debt and inspiration to their own imaginings of the classics, and while they arenât invalidated by those imaginings being disproved, it can sure feel like thatâs the goal sometimes. Murky waters.
4. Agency issues.A lot of lgbtqia+ people have really bad experiences with being labeled rather than choosing labels. Since we canât talk to ancient Romans and have them self-define, weâre either stuck discussing trends rather than people (which is impersonal), or deciding that because they do X, they must be Z. This results in sweeping generalizations: âwell technically theyâre all biâ or âif they ever had male/male sex they must be gayâ and so on. But that kind of black/white labeling doesnât manage to describe reality today either.0
5. (Bonus issue: Academia canât keep up with our terminology which results in anything older than about 5-7 years being cringe-worthy and if I read one more article talking about a two-sexed image being bisexual Iâm gonna friggin lose it)
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Meanwhile, there are the ancient biases that one has to take into account:
1. We mostly know about ELITE male/male customs, as systemized in unbalanced arrangements and/or pederasty. There is considerably less data on the other 99% of Romans.
2. Active/Submissive. Labels were based on role during intercourse, not interest/attraction as our spectrum generally works today. The stereotypes surrounding men taking an active role (dick go in thing) were completely different than those about men taking a submissive role (thing dick go in). This also aligned âsubmissiveâ roles with women, who performed the same function, and so doubled the implication of unmanliness.
3. Propaganda. If you hate an emperor/politician, make him seen unmanly. If you want to make him seem unmanly, say heâs submissive to other men and does other âwomanlyâ things. It was a pretty simple equation. This does not mean everything is hands down a lie, but this is a bias that has to be accounted for when we delve into questions about the Galli, Elgabalus, and basically any secondhand report.
Itâs kind of like if you had to write a history of modern sexual identities, but all you had were some 00s top/bottom stereotypes, homophobic diatribes, some philosophical meta on RPF, vague mentions of rainbow parades, and a handful of closeted love letters. In another language. Missing 90% of its context.
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All of that said, there is constant work being done in the area, though more (and more varied) work is always needed. Here is a small chronological sampling across a few disciplines, with a caveat that I have not read most of these yet myself â apologies if they willingly hurl themselves into a discourse hellscape.
Richlin, Amy. âNot before Homosexuality: The Materiality of the Cinaedus and the Roman Law against Love between Men.â Journal of the History of Sexuality 3-4, 1993. Cited by just about everything that comes after.
Parker, Holt. âThe Teratogenic Grid.â In Roman Sexualities, ed. by Judith P. Hallett and Marilyn B. Skinner, 1997. A breakdown of the active-passive binary used by later work.
Taylor, Rabun. âTwo Pathic Subcultures in Ancient Rome.â Journal of the History of Sexuality, Vol. 7-3, 1997.
Gregg, Christopher A. Homoerotic Objectification in Roman Art: The Legacy of Ganymede. Dissertation for the University of North Carolina, 2000. Art theory.
Karras, Ruth Mazo. âActive/Passive, Acts/Passions: Greek and Roman Sexualities.â The American Historical Review, Vol. 105-4, 2000. Review of recent scholarship.
Bartman, Elizabeth. âErosâs Flame: Images of Sexy Boys in Roman Ideal Sculpture.â Memoirs of the American Academy in Rome. Supplementary Volume 1, 2002. Art theory.
Eger, A. âAge and Male Sexuality: âQueer Spaceâ in the Roman Bathhouse?â JRA Supplementary Series 65, 2007
Williams, Craig. Roman Homosexuality. 2nd edition, 2010. (See Bryn Mawr Classical Review here.)
Latham, Jacob. âFabulous Clap-Trapâ: Roman Masculinity, the Cult of Magna Mater, and Literary Constructions of the Galli at Rome from the Late Republic to Late Antiquity.â The Journal of Religion, Vol. 92-1, 2012
Larson, Jennifer. Greek and Roman Sexualities: A Sourcebook. 2012. Collection of primary sources.
Ingleheart, Jennifer. Ancient Rome and the Construction of Modern Homosexual Identities. 2015. Reception studies.
And to circle all the way back to Marcus Aurelius, I give you:
Richlin, Amy. Marcus Aurelius in Love. 2007
Laes, Christian. âWhat Could Marcus Aurelius Feel for Fronto?â Studia Humaniora Tartuensia 10.A.3, 2009

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I cannot be your Orpheus. My words were cut from my tongue when I was a small thing, Wildness pruned out. But I know the way to the riverbank, I have gone there all my life to sing For love, To beg of the gods: cut this heart from me What good is it on its own But the ferry would not pass my way And the river too was silent.
I cannot be your Orpheus. I have no lyre, no voice, But I will find the dark path to cold Dis, Wrapped warm in your love, And I will follow the trail of flowers Proserpina leaves in her wake. The nymphs of darkness and deep have always been kind to me, Their key-bearer will let me pass, Running on tiptoe though my feet not be winged.
I cannot be your Orpheus. But I will stand on the banks and sing anyway. I will sing to the thankless ferryman, I will sing to the silent river, I will sing so loud the lost come in droves, Finally found. I will step to the shore, compelled, My ankles wet with the waters that never dry.
I cannot be your Orpheus. I will sing and sing but I will not cross. I am no hero, no human half-divine. I cannot lead you back. The ferryman would not take my hand Even if I asked, And I am not asking, I shake and I sing but I am not asking.
I cannot be your Orpheus. But you are my Eurydice. And with all of me, I am singing.
Parentalia Reading List
Ovid's Fasti (2.533-570)
The dead desire little. They want piety, Not rich gifts: deep Styx has no greedy gods.
Di Manes in The Encyclopedia of Ancient History
Although there were contexts when Romans invoked collective groups of manes in rituals, as in the opening of the Mundus or the military devotio, much of Roman funerary cult focused on dead individuals who would be worshiped as manes at their specific tombs (during the Parentalia) or at home altars.
Dolansky, Fanny. "Honoring the Family Dead on the Parentalia: Ceremony, Spectacle, and Memory." Phoenix 65-1, 2011
The best available discussion of all aspects of the Parentalia, covering the week's rites and offerings as well as showing the broad range of who worshipped whom.
It is clear that the Parentalia concerned a spectrum of kin, and honored both vertical and horizontal bonds. The rites commemorated relatives who had departed long ago -- grandparents and great-grandparents, who could legitimately be called ancestors (maiores) -- but also those who had died more recently, such as siblings, spouses, and frequently children and youths.
King, Charles W. The Living and the Dead: Ancient Roman Conceptions of the Afterlife. Dissertation for the University of Chicago, 1998.
King's massive, sprawling dissertation on the Di Manes covers nearly every aspect of their worship, including the Parentalia on pages 420-428.
For Ausonius, the main element of the ceremony was to repeat the names of the deceased aloud at their graves, a reminder to the dead that they had not been forgotten. This same idea was present even in Ovid's account. âŚAssuring the dead that their identities had not been forgotten was an important aspect of worshipping them. (427-428)
Rebillard, Suzanne Abrams. "The Dead With Me: Ausonius's Parentalia as Memorial to the Poet." Arethusa 48-2, 2015
Discussion of Ausonius's work, relations between the living/dead, and the Gallo-Roman context of Parentalia rites in the 4th century.
The poetâs project does not merely stand as part of the rite, it can step into the breach where rites have failed. (232)
Toynbee, J.M.C. Death and Burial in the Roman World. 1971
Discussion of afterlife beliefs, funerary customs, cult of the Di Manes, and especially the cemetery complexes and the gardens, orchards, sleeping and eating quarters cultivated there.
Those who could afford it left in their wills capital sums of money, the interest from which was to be expended on the offering at the tomb of food, bread, wine and grapes, cakes, sausages, ceremonial meals thought of as shared by the living with the dead, incense, fruits, and flowers of all kinds, particularly violets and roses. (62)
My altar on the final night of the Parentalia. It has now been over a full year since I started making my own devotional candles, and for all the frustration, there is no dearer flame I could offer. Food, drink, light, and flowers.
May you never hunger. May you never thirst.