I wanna talk about the natal/transit that I see more often than others when it comes to forensic astrology and death charts. It's interesting bc it just makes so much sense, even tho I wouldn't have looked to that aspect to suggest anything death-related before knowing what I know now. So stick around if you wanna find out which aspect/transit and explaining imo, it's relationship to death.
Now, the personal transit I see happening often in death charts is.....
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To clarify,
it is not specifically a square, it's any aspect between the natives moon vs the transiting moon. More specifically I'm talking mostly about harsh moon-moon transits, oppositions, semi-square, sesquiquadrate, inconjunct, squares.
How to interpret personal moon transits,
Natal moon:
Your instincts, your private life, habits, childhood/family experiences that shaped you, inherited traits, your trauma.
Transit moon:
Your environment/place/location, it's history, inherited traits, traditions, unspoken rules/hidden flaws or quirks.
It's kind of like an onion that has many layers describing how it was formed and what made it who/what it is.
**Note: What is aspecting the moon when trying to interpret a death chart will give you the entire picture, so ofc not every moon-moon personal transit will be the same. To narrow down the details, on both the native and transit check the houses the moons are in, the sign and what it aspects.**
For example a moon transit square natal moon, would describe a frustrating death. The day of death, this person would more likely be dealing with heavy personal struggles and baggage. The square is an energetic aspect, which is more likely to be an angry one rather than something easier like a sextile/trine or even an opposition.
So the moon square moon tells me this person, on the day of their death was dealing with maybe personal issues bubbling up, it's basically two very deep vulnerabilities, history, past, roots, family, clashing with the other. The transit moon here would represent the people/environment as a whole, so it's almost like the native was comparing themselves to where other people are in their lives.
A good example I've seen is moon-moon aspect in 2 suicide charts, which showed me that the moon transit kind of shows the moon native how others were raised and their roots, habits, backgrounds, and depending on if the native is having a easy or harsh aspect, it shows whether they are open or closed off to accepting the type of reality check that comes with that.
Why I think moon-moon transits show up so much in death charts
At our core, we were all raised in a specific way where we developed habits that we've carried with us into adulthood. The moon represents who we have emotionally matured into as adults and even in ways we have never changed. We will always come from our past, no matter how much we change/grow, it's part of our story. For some people, they were raised very well, and can be accepted by society, while others have trauma/unique issues that determine if they are accepted or not.
For example someone with a badly aspected moon, reveals their tempers, their habits, their family history, what they adopted/inherited from their family. If someone was raised into adulthood where they still have a lot of unhealed, low vibrational qualities, victim or not, all of their individual quirks stem from learned behavior they've collected over the years.
Why that's important:
Sometimes these unhealed qualities can put them at risk of being problematic or vulnerable to other outside forces.
Which is when the death charts come into play, for whatever reason I feel like maybe it's bc most of the death charts I come across are victims of either their mental health, being unsupervised children, and unfortunate accidents, I guess this kinda gives you an idea of why the moon is a big factor.
According to Meta AI,
The leading causes of death within the past 5 years are:
(This is excluding COVID-19 and health-related deaths such as disease, since those are the most obvious dominant causes)
● Accidents/unintentional injuries
● Mental health/naivety
All of those categories, including health-related deaths stem from our moon and what the moon represents, every single one of those have to do with what we're exposed to, our habits, trauma, lack of protection/guidance.
The moon is a very deep, personal placement, and it doesn't get enough credit for how much of a role it plays in our lives
That's what I found so interesting about seeing moon-moon personal transits in so many death charts. It's like a huge turning point in our lives where we are faced with reality, societal expectations/norms vs the deepest, rawest parts of ourselves. It reminds me of like a closing point in a way. Your moon is instinctual, untamed, and often hidden or private, sometimes what we experience does stick with us for a lifetime. Which does make the moon's qualities somewhat permanent, hence a closing point.
This also made me think that not all the blame should be on victims and their mistakes, naivety, or mental health, but also society's downfalls/norms that still exist and wreak havoc...yes even societal norms are dangerous and sometimes the main driver of all these deaths in the 1st place. I guess it does expose a deeper issue in life, people aren't just dying bc they aren't thinking critically and posing danger to themselves, it's also normalized behaviors, traditions, habits that we have been forced to follow bc of societal standards.. it could be such as the way food is made, the way society functions as a whole and in what ways it influences us and our parents and their future children, which than is passed down to the next generations. It makes you think a little deeper about how toxic society and our living standards can be.. and those things being somewhat hidden or unrealized.
To sum it up, humans can be flawed leading to vulnerabilities and society can be flawed in a way that it fails to protect people.
And that's my explanation on why I think moon-moon personal transits are the most common aspect I see in death charts, I hope that makes sense to someone out there and I hope you enjoyed reading this as much as I enjoyed learning and putting pieces together to come to this conclusion. If you wanna learn more about this topic when it comes to the moon transits in death charts, def look into every single thing you can find out about the moon in astrology (even the 4th house which is known as the end of the matter) and find other sources about how it ties into us as humans and our society. This def won't be my last post about the moon so be on the look out for future moon related astrology posts and check out what I've already posted! I'm sure you'll find something useful there. Thanks for reading <3
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Out of all the life matters we can examine in a natal chart my expertise is that of death and the circumstances surrounding it. This honestly came about in my quest to understand planetary energy-I wanted to test it’s theories so I chose the planet Pluto or did it choose me?
Pluto is the planet that rules over the occult, sex, transformation (death/rebirth) and the healing process of one’s physical body or psyche. Armed with my father’s death certificate I began the dissect Pluto in his chart using simple techniques my teacher introduced to me and I was blown away. Still in disbelief and assuming that it was a lucky shot I decided to try the same technique to my grandfather’s chart and that of a old coworker and again I was blow away by it’s accuracy. What have I stumbled upon? Can you really “see” death using astrology? I just had so many questions...
You see, as a 28 degree Pisces sun (Scorpio Decan/Aquarius dwad-more on that later) I’ve always had a connection via dreams with the deceased and now having this “insight” I’m closer to understanding a potential role I play. A medium perhaps? One who meet souls at the crossroads? Can I bring closure to grieving families?
Take a listen as I explain the techniques I use in detail on my Blogtalkradio show “Voices From Beyond the Veil” as I breakdown the deaths of Emmett Till, Marilyn Monroe & Anna Nicole Smith, the rapper Prodigy and more. Feel free to contact me if you have questions or in need of my services. Peace be upon you...
For some reason Tumblr has deleted my original blog post and all I'm left with is an audio file that might be confusing for some :( hopefully we can make it work tho. Everytime I try to add links to case discussions or articles, my blog deletes itself so I'll let you know key words instead.
Elijah Vue is still missing as of Feb 29th, 2024.
Fb support group/searchers for Elijah:
Look up "Find Elijah Vue Discussion", you can find most information and updates there.
Last seen chart 8AM
**Correction, Sun in the 12th semisquare moon in the 4th**
911 call 11AM:
Chart mapping of possible locations using 911 call important points:
Location on Google maps is 3900 mischicot Rd, two rivers Wisconsin.
The most recent update on this case is that the mother and caretaker for Elijah will have a preliminary hearing march 7th, so all we can do now is keep searching and wait until then.
I posted part 2 forensic reading for Elijah which you can find on my page. This is all I can do for now
***Also not in the audio but I noticed some similarities between Elijah's 911 chart and Prince Mcrees 911 chart
They both had moon in the 2nd house aspecting Neptune. For prince mcree moon-neptune were conjunct. And for Elijah moon-neptune were trining transit wise + his natal moon opposing transit neptune in the transit synastry reading. What I'm thinking since both moons were in the 2nd aspecting Neptune is maybe Elijah was discarded somewhere in a very nasty, filthy, hidden dump site where things are unseen, trashed, not taken care of. Basically something similar to what happened with Prince..bc I'm realizing that Neptune can have many meanings. It can be garbage, drugs, gases, bodies of water.. and 2nd house which is related to Taurus, is what we take, posses, own, buy, get paid, our values, most importantly imo is the taking/giving aspect, it's transactional. Like in Prince Mcrees chart for example, he was found in a dumpster near some businesses.. that shows me the 2nd house can be related to things like the dynamics of trash companies, NOT the trash specifically. More so the act of taking something.. So we pay taxes to have our trash cans picked up every week right? so that could be somewhat related to the 2nd house. The transactional part. Bc I remember I mentioned in Elijahs synastry read, that he could have been sold to someone but it could actually be either or. Neptune is in the 11th house tho so that is more tied to community, unlike princes Neptune which was in the 2nd. So that changes things a bit.. and since Elijahs 911 call moon was in cancer that also makes it different.
Idk I'm just trying to throw things out there bc honestly this case is very complicated/complex. Maybe it could mean that he was thrown in a bio hazard area, maybe the person responsible was freaking out about where to discard Elijah and put him in the 1st place that comes to mind when they think about children.. near a hospital or related to child birth, child care, nearby a home or something with obvious attachment to Elijah. It's like the person couldn't think clearly so they kinda made a bad decision to place Elijah in place where those who really knew him would easily find him.
OR if a stranger took him, we would have to think like a guilty stranger who has no kids whatsoever, what's the 1st thought you would have at hiding a body? Could be anywhere where children are or anything associated with children, bc their mind couldn't come up with something better.. it's like their fucked up conscious got the best of them. Hope that makes sense.
Most recent updates!
The remains of a child has been found located near a girl scout camp, they may or may not be elijahs remains. We will have to wait until testing is done. Wow. Just insane if that is poor little elijah.. ill be updating more here with any new details
New update as of 9/13/24:
Unfortunately, the remains have been confirmed to be elijah vues... may you rest in peace our sweet boy <3
Newest and final update as of 10/22/24:
Katrina baur charged with child neglect leading to death and jesse vang charged with repeated abuse causing death and hiding a body... how vile and evil!!! And to know that jesse vang had a tiktok trying so hard to portray himself as a funny, light hearted person, he even wrote a book about his life and struggles as if it's something he learned and overcame. He was a wolf in sheeps clothing. May they get the karma they deserve
Court documents state history provided by caregivers and law enforcement about Elijah Vue are 'consistent with torture.'
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Analyzing jeffrey dahmer & dennis nilsen natal charts
So I came across a serial killer named Dennis nilsen who reminds me a lot of jeffrey dahmer. I found some interesting information about them,
Dennis is a sagittarius pictured below
Jeffrey is a gemini pictured below
If you haven't heard of them, if you're into true crime I highly suggest watching some documentaries on them like I did.
I'll drop some links here of the ones I've seen:
Jeff dahmer
(have to pay to view this 1st one but it was one of the best docs)
Dennis nilsen
Both are gay serial killers who started killing in 1978, even though I believe they are 20 years apart (dennis being older then jeff) it's weird that they commited these acts in the same year, which got me curious about what the heck was going on in that time that could of caused this.
A few details I learned about them:
Jeff is from the US & Dennis from England. What caught my attention is that they look so similar & they also have similar backgrounds. What's different about each one is that dennis seemed more emotionally available then jeff did, I guess bc his motive wasn't just to kill.
Not only are they alike but apparently both of their 1st murder victims were named steven. Idk what that means in numerology or spiritually but the fact that they have so much in common freaks me out, like universally these 2 killers must of had a connection 🤔
Now to the juicy stuff..
(The aspects in their natals are right after this section)
I looked up that years birth chart from the time span of each of their 1st kills & the only thing that obviously stood out to me is that there was Uranus in Scorpio from june during Jeff's 1st murder continuing through December on dennis's 1st murder.
The birth chart on the day of jeffrey dahmers 1st kill below:
June 18th 1978
The birth chart on the day of dennis's 1st kill:
December 30th 1978
My thoughts..
It's so interesting that the moon and uranus was transiting into Scorpio for jeffrey dahmer on his day, with the sun conjuncting his natal sun.
& with dennis nilsen uranus was in scorpio still and venus was transiting into scorpio too which is also his natal placement, along with mercury conjuncting his natal sun & natal mercury on his night.
Now let's pull up their natal charts.
Jeffrey Dahmers natal below:
May 21, 1960, 4:34pm.
Dennis Nilsens natal below:
November 23, 1945, 4am.
My interpretation of all this..
What's crazy as I'm looking at both of their charts is that they apparently have libra risings almost at the same exact 19 degrees 🤯 + the same thing with their suns at 0°
Also the fact that they have sister venus signs is another thing that stands out to me + sister sign suns, like that should tell you how much sister signs are so alike imo.
For jeffrey dahmer he didn't have much scorpio besides his neptune but if his birth chart on astrotheme is correct then he had a 8H stellium. That's so spooky to me.
Neptune in scorpio: describes someone who isn't afraid to explore the dark side of things, they like uncovering the secrets that no one should know about. They are comfortable knowing what others don't know and hiding in the shadows, no one really knows who they are bc they keep so much to themselves.
Uranus in scorpio transit: Scorpio a sign that associates with occult, sex, deep topics, breaking the rules, risky things + adding that into planet uranus which is shocking, eccentric, different. Put them together & you get sex or interests that are shocking, insane, unique. Both of these serial killers were necrophiles.
Jeffrey's house placements/natal aspects:
Venus trine saturn: Jeff knew how to conceal his true motives and interests, tastes, attraction.. he knew how to be perceived as a normal, regular, average looking person.. he strategically did not share much of his love life or any of that with anyone, it seemed like he was a nice, easy going, neutral person. He probably learned this behavior from his dad/past experiences, on how to not look like a crazy, unstable person. He did go the army and there they pretty much teach you how to survive in the world, how to defend yourself, how to take care of yourself, how to follow orders, practicing cleanliness and working hard. He gave off a pleasing and calm venusian/saturn vibe but little did anyone know who he was deep down
Mars square jupiter: Prone to extreme excess, he may have been the type of person who covers up his awkwardness and uncertainty by overdoing things. They did say he was a class clown and would do weird/crazy things for attention in school and I think this aspects explains that. Instead of expressing his anger, passion, desire, energy in a healthy way, he ends up doing too much. This also describes his impulsive ways and taking reckless risks that could be embarrassing later on. Not a good aspect to have on top of aries moon/mars both in aries. He has strong compulsions that he could not tone down. He was probably very rude too like if someone didn't agree with him he would say the meanest things in the moment. Mars square jupiter to me would describe someone who doesn't care about the consequences of their actions, they're too impulsive to realize them. Can be extremely aggressive, rude, confrontational, somewhat disobeying the law/society's structures.
Having such different POV from everyone around him that he felt kinda isolated with his belief system, religion and passions. To me this also says he didn't respect other people's beliefs only his own, selfish.
Moon square saturn: This definitely explains his abandonment issues, maybe he felt abandoned by his dad or care giver in general. He didn't have care, love, support from his parents. He could be emotionally immature, which only further isolated him. Socially awkward, cold, unemotional, distant, depressed/depressing to be around is how someone would see this person. To me jeffrey dahmer had abandonment issues and trauma from being lonely and left behind, this not only happened with family but with his "friends" too. So mostly likely to avoid feeling abandoned again instead of facing his issues and healing them, he resorted to killing people and keeping them with him forever. That was his form of revenge and getting control over his emotions, instead of them controlling him or making him feel abandoned/unloved ever again. Tbh I understand not feeling cared for... he must of been hurt so much to go to this kindof extreme just to avoid feeling pain. His parents could have also belittled him a lot and either blamed him for things or damaged his sense of security.
One of the victims who escaped him did say that as soon as they mentioned to dahmer that they had to leave, dahmer had started to panick all of a sudden and tried to make them stay by force but they got away anyway.
A squared aspect to me shows excessive and unbalanced actions, does provide energy to whatever it's aspecting. So it's an active aspect.
This explains his love for exploring the unknown side of life, for forcing his way past what's considered acceptable. This aspect could also explain someone who stalks others, invades personal space in the most offensive/disgusting way, extremely controlling up to the way people think around them. Wasn't afraid to face the most darkest/occult-like things. He was private with his own personal life but when it came to his victims for example they didn't have any privacy or respect at all, dahmer basically took away all their rights.
To describe this aspect, imagine a private investigator who's supposed to be finding information about a specific event, this person would do more then they are even allowed to do. They will break rules, moral codes, disrespect the law, even do illegal things to get to the bottom of whatever it is they have to do. Like working off the clock and doing your own personal investigation. So socially acceptable behavior/ideas is something a person with this aspect would not have. It pretty much explains the fact that jeffrey dahmer enjoyed killing animals and dissecting their insides, no normal person would go to that length to fill their curiosities. And he continued with this behavior when he started harming humans as well, he was dissecting human hands from his victims and their organs etc. It's like he wanted to see how things worked, what action triggered a reaction. So like injecting acid into a human brain to see if they could be his "zombie sex slave" alive/obedient and unable to defend themselves was his goal. He did lots of experiments I'm sure. Not only that but I noticed that he was not afraid to face death or things a person should not ever see, he was completely comfortable having heads in his refrigerator, the smell of death in his apartment 24/7, even as a kid seeing roadkill didn't even phase him or replulse him like it would anyone else.. so that to me says his comfort level was extreme, he probably wasn't shocked by much tbh.
Moon square Mc: He probably felt unsupported by the people around him, like his comfort style was not relatable to the public. Maybe his emotions, his sense of security was not something everyone could relate to. It was visible to everyone that jeffrey dahmer was a unique, odd, strange person. He could of used people and bodies as a form of security, having them fully to himself, owning them, controlling them made him feel like he had a support system/safe place.
He did try to show off some of the bodies he had, apparently he had a kept a human head in a chest that his grandma gave him and he took that to work, keeping it in his locker. To me that is someone who is proud of what they've done and is showing it off like some trophy/reminder of the power they have. No one knew what was inside the chest but him and that made him feel powerful that he had FULL control of this poor person he mutilated.
His attachments were very different from everyone else's, like to an extreme extent. Most people have attachments to caffeine like me or other things like drug, food, codependency addictions.. but Jeff's was clearly much different..
Venus square uranus: Odd sexual/romantic interests, taste/type, he was probably attracted to odd people or just had unique interests that you would look at him and say "there's no way he's interested in that, he looks like such a normal guy"
This aspect doesn't have to be sadistic like Jeffrey's interests, in general it could explain someone who ends up with partners that are much different from themselves. Like a normal quiet, attractive, man with a crazy, weird, unconventionally attractive woman. So basically is shows an attraction to uniqueness, to a unhealthy extent. In Jeff's case and since this is a squared aspect he had odd even shocking romantic/sexual attraction to death/people. Unusual interests, very specific type and open minded enough to try things sexually that no one's done before, testing the limits of your sexuality. Jeffrey dahmer was so sexually advanced and charged that he probably needed to do crazier and crazier things overtime to keep him satisfied and interested. He probably never had a stable love life if one at all.
Jupiter trine pluto: To me this aspect explains that he enjoyed being in the company of people who were much different from him, with different backgrounds, probably sexual attraction to foreign people. Many of his victims were poc, I think he felt powerful around poc for some reason. Like he knew the power and influence of his "whiteness" that's just my opinion idk how true that is tho, if he used his position to get away with everything. He said in an interview that it wasn't about race and just about how people looked but who knows. Back in the 1970s and 1980s I'm not sure how much racism was a thing back then. If you know anything about that I would love to hear your thoughts.
Moon trine uranus: This could be someone who is comfortable with being different and unique, maybe their emotions were erratic and highly changeable, very smart/intuitive tho. This could be another reason he got away with so much bc he was able to think on his feet and come up with lies on the spot but that could also be enhanced by his mercury/sun conjunction in gemini. They are such good smooth talkers. This aspect also explains that he was not your average monogamous driven person, he liked to have a variety of different interests and probably unique relationships. Like dating their friends, being polygamous, just overall having an unusual love style. His emotions were prone to being quickly triggered and then just as quickly disappearing as if nothing happened. People would have a hard time trying to understand or pin point his emotions. If he was nervous or anxious he could display a straight emotionless face, which makes sense bc even after the police was inside his apartment he was able to manipulate them well enough to believe his lies and not be suspicious.
Taurus in the 8th house: This is an interesting placement, it could explain his intense interest for physical features and sex. He would admire people's bodies after they deceased, he would pose them and take multiple pictures of them in different stages/positions. Arching their back to show off their figure, showing off their l private parts, their abs, skin, faces etc. In the tiktok links I posted the woman describes something like this, def check that out. This could also describe why he liked to eat his victims, like arousal from eating them. Both taurus and 8th house/scorpio are extremely sexual. This could be another reason he preferred to have full control of his victims, so they were not allowed to talk back, fight back, ask for anything in return, he just wanted to have full authority and rulership. He also had a very specific type in people, he paid close attention to every small detail of their bodies and features, he had favorites. His favorite people would stay with him and the ones he didn't want he discarded like trash or just let them free all together.
Taurus possession/greed, Scorpio obsession/control. He has his 2nd house in scorpio and 8th in taurus, to me that's so on point for jeff.. it's hard to explain but if you know anything about astrology you would know why those placements stick out.
Pisces in the 6th house: I think jeff was very spiritual and ritualistic, even delusional when it comes to his daily routine. Like he really believed that if he ate a certain victims body part, it would mean that the person would stay with them forever. For him it wasn't enough to just take their life, r*pe, control them.. he needed to consume them as well to feel even closer to them (8h taurus things) he was also into astrology to, or atleast his own zodiac sign. Bc his favorite movie to watch that apparently put him in the mood to find victims was exorcist 3. The main character was called the gemini killer and I looked into the movie to see what it was about and some sick things were said in it that I bet jeffrey dahmer practiced on his actual victims... he was very impressionable and probably worshipped evil entities/figures. 6h Pisces could also be someone with boundaryless, unorganized, health routines?? Like if this person was unhealed they would do lots of drugs, drinking, not brushing their teeth/showering etc stuff like that. If anything they would pay least attention to details and be kinda unaware of their bad habits. Or it could be the other way around like they cover up all their bad habits to seem perfect when they are far from it. He also did try to connect with the dead, I read somewhere he would have seances with an ouija board when he was younger.
Dennis nilsens house placements/natal aspects:
In the process of adding new info and stuff like that so come back soon so you don't miss any updates!😊
Mars conjunct pluto: My 1st thought on this aspect is annihilator, this person was aggressive, deep, intense, bold, if they're mad at you I would stay far far away. I feel like someone with this aspect would not be afraid of confrontation, if anything they are the ones everyone's afraid of. His expression/passion is straight forward and he wants to explore the dark depths of everything that peaks their interests. My personal opinion is that mars conjunction pluto would automatically make someone a killer/prone to be. If that's not it then they have the potential to be that if you're a threat or give them a reason to become aggressive.
Travis the chimp has this aspect...if you haven't heard of him I suggest looking him up. Travis the chimp I think knew that his owner was giving him medications (xanax) to calm down and go to sleep and he didn't like it so he blew up and lashed out on his owners best friend who came to help her get Travis under control. He should have never been domesticated but the reason I bring him up was bc he severely mutilated his owners best friend.. ripping her face off, biting her fingers off and he would not stop for anything. Even after being stabbed in attempt to stop him.. that should explain to you the intensity of mars conjunct pluto.
Their anger is quick, fast reactions, suspicions, high energy, physically or energetically strong, assertive. He was possibly passive at some point in his life and would do so much for others but eventually things were not reciprocated end up building resentment and resorting to forcing their way, having this obsessive need to get your needs met. He was possesive, jealous, controlling. In the documentaries they mentioned it was less about sex for dennis and more about the company but with this aspect I feel like his sexuality must have been very strong...
Moon conjunct mc: I think this aspect would describe someone who is so sensitive to the feelings of strangers and the public, they might be easily affected by their surroundings esp during childhood. He did have some traumatic experiences as a kid like his mom asking him if he wanted to see his grandpa (who was his fav person), only to realize his grandpa was dead in a box... idk about you guys but I wonder if she did that on purpose to hurt his feelings. But that situation definitely has affected the way he viewed relationships in his adult life.. he started to associate love, peace, trust, safety with death.
Moon conjunct saturn: His emotions were very repressed, not to say that he wasn't an emotional person but it sure seemed like it on the outside. He was probably constantly reminded of his past and all the mean nasty things he's done and what was done to him. His mother must have been very cold and not nurturing, which left him very Insecure and unloved. He has always felt like the responsible one when it comes to nurturing himself and parenting himself since no one was around to do that.
In the documentary of dennis nilsen his mother said she felt uncomfortable around him and was "repulsed" so unlike all the other kids he didn't receive the same affection as the others. She tried to explain this as if it's his fault for her not being a good mom tho..I personally as a mom idc if me and my child have differences I will always be there to make them feel loved and secure. I think his mom was very stern with him and treated him like a worker bee.
Mars conjunct saturn: With this aspect maybe his sexual desires were held back a bit, he could have either had strong discipline or just felt like he wasn't able to preform bc of overthinking, constant self judgement. For some reason he felt it was his duty to be there for others and be the responsible person. Maybe he did too much to help others or become likeable, which pushed everyone away.
Mars conjunct mc: He had the strong desire to make his public life something he put a lot of effort into, he wanted to be recognized, respected, seen for all his good qualities. Strong, passionate, bold, adventurous, independent. Sometimes he may have been seen as selfish and overbearing. They did say on his documentay that he had a good job and on the outside looking in, he just looked normal. It was probably bc he had a lot to hide, so this mars conj mc was a cover up for his real life/interests.
Venus square pluto: A person with this aspect might have an unhealthy obsession with whoever they find attractive, they fall in love easily/deeply, become infatuated with people to the point of stalking. This person has deep control issues that stem from jealousy and insecurities. I feel like dennis nilsen may have been intimidated by alive people, bc humans in general have free will and are able to do whatever they please. But a passive unalived person would not be able to pose a threat to him or hurt his ego, so it's like he wanted to kill all competition and any uncomfortable feelings that may make him feel inferior like he has in the past.. there may have been some trauma related to that, feeling helpless and inferior. So that's why he overpowers others instead of expressing himself in a healthy way.
might be a very complex person in general and no one really wants to take the time to get to know all their layers so they end up feeling isolated and weird.
Mars semisquare uranus: his actions/energy may have been unpredictable and messy, one sec he was fine next minute he was not. This may have been what turned people away from him, he may have acted strangely at the worst moments. Making inappropriate comments or doing inappropriate things. He could of been highly intuitive with his actions/assumptions, but other people were sometimes not as ahead of time as he was so everyone seen him as a crazy unstable person. He was probably impatient and not always reliable
2nd house in scorpio/8th house in taurus: He basically craved loyalty, security, love, intimacy. So he got that by finding the perfect person and making that his main goal. What was valuable to him (same thing for dahmer) was having a loyal, subservient, solid, predictable person in their lives. All they wanted was the assurance that whoever they loved wouldn't leave them, not question them, completely trust them.. trust is something that was hard to find for these two people. I bet they were so intense and strange that people felt unsafe around them. But overall with the 2h Scorpio + 8h in taurus, to them possessing a person was the end goal. They were obsessed with having a physical, tangible, person/thing there with them, it gave them so much security to know they had full control over someone.. even if it was by force.
Here's some videos from tiktok I came across👇
This woman apparently was in a criminal justice class taught by the detective who interrogated jeffrey dahmer. Soo freaking interesting. I've never heard of any of these details she's describing bc there's so much law enforcement didn't share with the public about jeffrey dahmer.
I did some digging and found some of the polaroids😲, please only click the link below if you're ready for what you're about to see..
*NOT for sensitive viewers*
On July 22, 1991, police made a gruesome discovery of nearly 80 Polaroids of naked, posed, and dismembered victims of Jeffrey Dahmer.
Knowing this now just brings it all into perspective about how evil and insane jeffrey really was..
For now this is what I've got so far while looking into these people, i'll be doing more research and adding new info when I find out more. So I hope you enjoyed it😊 If you did lmk I might do more. Serial killers are something I find interesting to dissect bc it's crazy that someone could end up being so evil/immoral + adding my love for astrology to that is another plus bc it validates how accurate astrology really is.
End note:
I checked astrotheme for jeff and dennis's birthdays and I guess they are all verified and the most accurate. Wow, thankful to whoever found that information
UPDATE REMAINS FOUND!! 03/31/24 (Details at bottom)
07/21/23 forensic astrology reading
Emile from France was on a vacation with his grandparents earlier this month, July 8th. What we know is that he was playing in the garden when he suddenly vanished. His grandparents had taken their eyes off of him while preparing for a car ride, so emile went outside during that time. There is still no sign, proof, or clue as to where he is so here is my attempt at seeing what astrology can tell us.
Thankfully, I found the right times and everything needed for this even though it is a case that's not in my native language. Now let's see what we can find out about that day..
Above is the charts from July 8th, 5:15pm le vernet, france.
Unfortunately I don't have his birthday info which would make this so much more specific but for now. Let's do with what we have.
Moon represents emile here, which can give us actually an incredible amount of detail of what was happening at that moment.
Moon pisces in the 4th house:
That's interesting.. this would be a lot like neptune in the 4th house. Which to me would mean maybe messy home, unclear, idealistic, delusional thinking, too comfortable, no boundaries.
In relation to this case, this could be emiles mindset at the time, he felt that he has all the freedom in the world at this moment. No one to tell him no, no one to worry about or be afraid of, just unaware of the dangers around him.
Moon conjunct neptune in the 4th:
I feel like this tells me that emile may have not been thinking logically but intuitively, so if they searched that area through the lens/curiosity of emile, they could possibly be closer to finding him. This could mean too that he may have fell into a body of water nearby the home. A well, pool, pond, gutter, sewage pipe around the home.
Mercury cancer conjunct sun in the 8th:
I think while walking around or being curious of his surroundings, he may have hurt himself somewhere where his actually visible, where the sun shines.
Moon trine mercury:
He could of gotten scooped up by a car, that's possible with moon-mercury. Or maybe he's just a short distance away from home.
Mecury trine neptune:
Whatever happened must or been seamless bc of the trines happening to the moon, so it was smooth and easy whatever happened. He could be near by the home but hidden somewhere he could of feel deep into some kind of hole or something nearby.
Moon inconjunct mars:
Whatever happened was quick and very awkward, at the moment he wasn't able to grasp what was happening as well as law enforcement. He would of been confused, one minute things were clear but then lost the next. It's like something malfunctioning is the way we can describe an inconjunction.
Sharp turns, rushed accidents/thinking, impulsive situation/events. I wonder if he possibly wandered into a building/church or something bc of the mars in the 9th house.
What really just sent me chills is that after interpreting that aspect, I looked up his last location on the map, his grandparents home/neighborhood and there is in fact a church near by.
Link below so you can see for yourself , zoom into Englise saint-Matin location.
Catholic church
Idk what this could mean, bc don't you think that those inside of the church would be good natured enough to do the right thing and turn emile in to the police or anything like that? Or is something more sinister going on? There are 2 churches nearby one within a 2 minute walk and the other is 6 minutes. Isn't that crazy how astrology can tell us this much? Like I'm shook rn.
Venus in the 9th, inconjunct the moon:
Maybe someone saw him as being abandoned at the church.. you know most churches are quiet, secluded areas so I feel like it would be easy to get away with something there. There would be no one around and little to no interference.
This could also show that he may just be near these areas too bc I remember a case of this child named Jose lara who disappeared under similar circumstances. There was a church very nearby his backyard where he was playing, he was later found in the septic tank in the backyard. It was hidden underneath bushes and things so that's why it wasn't the most obvious case. And in his chart there was also 9th house energy, representing the church nearby. I don't see any water around here so idk if Lake or pond is even a possibility.
Video below, with more info about Jose laras case for anyone who is curious about that.
Not only that but there's also a wine/bar/restaurant right next door to the 1st church called 'Ches les Ringuous'. Someone drunk could of def scooped by and taken him. But I don't want to assume, just throwing out possibilities.
Astrology mapping:
Looks like venus/mars cross where he was last seen walking down the street by witnesses so that's very interesting..
My intuition is telling me he could be near the mars/venus/mercury line. If anyone sees anything I don't, I'd appreciate any insight you have.
This is what I've got for now and will be adding more info as I finish my research of this case, so pls check back for updates. I hope emile will be found soon..
Most recent update!
I'm late to this news bc everytime i looked up emile to see if theres any update it was like dead silence, no new reports or anything. We finally have an update tho and unfortunately, his remains have been found... I'm glad we have closure now tho, link below for details.
POLICE have announced a tragic update on the case of a missing two-year-old boy in France. Emile Soleil went missing last year but cops anno
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As we know, pieces of the titanic tour submarine have been found. Authorities believe it imploded, meaning it crushed from the inside from too much pressure on the outside. They've confirmed there are no survivors.
I'm curious what exactly happened, someone who knew the person operating the submarine said that the time connection was lost with the sub would most likely be the time when this all happened, so let's see what that tells us.
This is only an astrology reading based on the last time victims were seen, date and location. I'm not trying to assume anything about this situation, this is just my personal opinion from what I can see below.
Their descent started at 8am, so let's take a look at that chart to see what was going on. Chart above
Cancer ascendant:
This represents the victim in a crime chart so, the ruler of cancer is the moon so we look there to get more information.
Since we have a cancer moon in the 12th at the time, maybe the focus was a lot on the son at this time. Out of all the people in the submarine he was the youngest and the only one who prob hasn't done anything like that before, so ofc everyone is kinda watching him soak it in and who wouldn't want to see him have a good time. Those 4 men (not sure about dawood) knew the excited feelings he must of been feeling bc they were once that giddy young kid too.
Sun-moon in the 12th:
So in this chart the sun and moon are seen in the 12th house, so maybe it was visible and going according to plan. Everyone saw that they were entering the water, everything seemed fine. Nothing out of the ordinary, they felt safe.
Mercury in the 11th:
Maybe there were social media posts, something to do with groups of people, social type things, being online with friends/networks. This could also explain that they were in communication with the crew above water who are making sure everything is going smoothly and accordingly. Multiple people were involved joined together
Venus/mars in the 2nd house:
Maybe things got quiet from this point, they could smell their surroundings as they were inside the submarine, they were descending slowly.. you can hear every little thing. The bubbles, under water sounds, you can feel the quality of the submarine.. it felt like a supreme simplistic experience. At this moment, there was not a lot of talking. Mostly just taking everything in.
Jupiter in the 10th:
Maybe with this aspect they thought this would be an adventure to remember and be able to brag/show off/add to their list of accomplishments. 10th house is basically the MC so this was an important moment. Maybe at this time whoever knew of the titanic best was explaining the details and history of it to the passengers.
Feel free to stalk Hammish Harding's instagram where this placement is described perfectly. He would often boast about his risky adventures that had even landed him on Guinness world records. He's done many risky, monumental things. His ig is posted above
Saturn in the 9th/pisces in the 9H:
They were very interested in what was going on in the water, the fish and what exact species they are, that kinda thing. They planned on going very deep this time it seems, with saturn in the 9th. I feel like they were determined to keep going and push through steadily. Stockton rush, I'm sure knew his submersible almost like how we know the ins and outs of our phones, fav places, songs, etc.. for him he felt like he was very familiar with his submarine so in a way he was also experimenting with how deep it can go and what reactions come from the vehicle when he does certain things. He was very technical about it.
He should of probably not taken passengers while in the process of experimenting still but what do I know. But they were determined to get it to work out well, he had no fear or thought in his mind that something as bad as what happened could go wrong.
So this is the chart of the exact time connection was lost, June 18th at 9:45 AM. I'm going to treat this like a missing persons case, we start with the ascendant representing the victim.
Leo ascendant conjunct venus and mars which are in the 12th house.. scary stuff.
This reminds me of the kylie rodney case, her chart had mars in the 12th house too connecting to the ascendant.
What I think happened here was a very sudden explosive accident-
When reading a crime chart, the ascendant and what it aspects gives you a picture of the situation.
So now with this new chart, it's now almost 2 hours later since they entered the water, it looks like the sun and moon moved into the 11th house.
Sun-moon 11H:
The crew was now aware of something, not sure exactly what. Maybe they were trying to locate the vehicle, idk if they have sonars on their side but I wonder if they were looking for them on the map.
Mercury/uranus both in the 10th:
Maybe since mercury is in gemini it was common for communication to go in and out so, there was nothing too alarming.
Jupiter/chiron/NN in the 9th:
Coming back to this one and finishing up the rest.
Ascendant conjunct venus:
I feel like venus is representing the submarine here, it seems like they created it to look pleasing, fun, to be a big eye catcher with the remote control and all but it wasn't built to take so much pressure or atleast the focus was more on the aesthetics/money. It was just supposed to be like for leisure type of use.
Uranus square venus:
Something unexpected happened, there was friction happening where things didn't function smoothly, prob technical difficulties, it was not pleasant or predictable, things were very rocky. With venus being in the 12th house it was something unknown to them, they couldn't figure out what the problem was. If it was an implosion like everyone is saying, their deaths would of been so quick and instantaneous, that the victims wouldn't have even had time to register what happened to them before passing away. I think the placements in the 12th house def support that, they would have probably felt drugged or some weird pressure 1st if any pain at all.
Uranus in the 10th house-
So maybe it wasn't uncommon that the submarine had it's problems, it would be unpredictable. It also was probably exciting for whose ever idea this trip was or whoever chose this particular vehicle bc it's not like typical submarines. That's why it was interesting for them, it was almost like something you normally wouldn't try but your curiosity, the novelty, the unknown was alluring.
Apparently one of the warnings said "this is not for tourists, this is for adventurers." So that means it's for people who are feeling risky.
This next video clip literally just blew my mind. The founder of the oceangate company/submarine operator and some comments from titanic film maker.
Uranus-innovation, rule breaking, defying standards. This was pretty much an experimental craft.
Ascendant square uranus:
There was always the potential for danger/unpredictability with this submarine, as the founder above was saying, this isn't something you were supposed to do but he did it anyways bc he thought that he could make something better than anything else that's been done before.
Mars square uranus:
Prob this just wasn't thought through, wrong timing, rushed thinking, rushed actions, prob someone was being too bold/confident, they wanted to have fun and test limits (mars) unfortunately that didn't end well (uranus)
It could be that all the men here were too adventurous for their own good, like they've been on wild adventures often enough that you start to feel invincible as if nothing could happen to you bc it is rare for these types of accidents. If even the oceangate founder was on board obviously he didn't know or expect this would happen, so it could of been that they knew it was a risk but they weren't concerned enough. Sometimes you can get carried away by wishful thinking or just plain ego.
Mars is in the 12th-
So they weren't paying attention to detail, they were missing the signs, maybe even the lights went out or something like that. Bc the 12th house would be completely hidden, unknown, unseen, invisible, unconscious.
Neptune in the 8th house:
Anytime I see neptune in a crime chart I always think of water, but it could also represent, gasses, drugs, confusion. A pressure malfunction could def be something when in relation to neptune, the 8th house would describe being too deep.
If there was an implosion for a fact, what would of happened was similar to an explosion, but inverted, they would have been vaporized and crushed.
Google says 👇 and link for more info about it below
They did mention on the video above that there's only 3 other submarines like this one in the world that can go deep enough to see the titanic. So it's rare
Jupiter conjunct MC:
Since stockton rush was the owner and operator of this craft and knowing what we know now, I get the impression that the father and son + 2 other business men were the ones "visiting" if that's the right word.
They really didn't know what they were getting into, they don't operate submarines, they don't know what the company was all about/legal requirements etc, they were just there for a new experience. Jupiter would be the father and son, possibly Hamish and paul henri as well since they are like foreigners here and MC would be the person in charge of the craft, the "authorities" that represent it.
For some reason I thought all 5 of them were friends of eachother but I don't think that's the case, it was like a business relationship.
Quote above from a recent article... would you have gotten into this craft if you knew it was experimental? Most likely not if you want your life. What a shame tbh.
Other links/newest updates I find related to this case👇
06/28/23 NEW UPDATE! Human remains found(1st vid) along with photos of the submarine debris.
The Titan’s wreckage was seen for the first time in pictures taken on Wednesday, more than a week after it imploded in the depths of the Atl
Youtuber Dallmyd, vlogged their titanic tour experience on the SAME titan submarine that went missing just days before👇
He never got the chance to complete the dive bc there was complications with the submarine the whole time he was there. Wild
Below stockton talks about he wanted to add more technology to the sub, I think he had great ideas tbh but this was def a disaster..
Part 2 OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush explaining the inside of the titan sub and explaining what he wants his legacy to be. Very sad to watch e
Someone from a different dive with stockton rush describes their difficult experience with the submarine
Shazada dazwoods sister speaks about who him and his son were...
RIP to everyone who was on board...what a horrible way to go
For now this is all I got, hope that helped someone to understand the reality of what happened. There's still some aspects I didn't go through yet but if you're curious to know more, leave a like and I'll go more in depth. I have stockton rushes birthday info so I def want to look at that too
What we know so far is that yohanes took an uber from San Jose to San Francisco to "meet a friend". His uber ride was successful and everything was fine with that, he had apparently arrived at his destination. His sister said she checked his location at around 8 pm and found he was at the San Francisco Bridge which she thought nothing of. The next day/morning she noticed his location showed that he was still at the same exact location. Later on in the day, his location was seen moving to which his family tried to contact him from that point. A stranger had picked up the phone and said they found his belongings and were just returning them to the welcome center. He was officially reported missing at 2:45pm, August 15th. As of today he has still not been found and they say there is no evidence of suspicious activity.
What I want to do is see what the charts can tell us about his possible location and what happened that night. We have 3 different times and charts to look at so it should be good, we have a lot of information to dissect. Let's hope we can find yohanes 💜
August 14, 7:15pm chart.
So by looking at this last seen chart alone, let's see what we can find out.
The ascendant (victim) is opposite the 7H moon:
This is interesting. I don't think this was just a friend, I believe he could of been on a date possibly with the 7th house here.
5th house gemini:
If he was with a friend, then their intention would of been to have fun and explore the golden gate bridge since it is an iconic historical place. The 5th house, which is pleasure, joy, recreation, entertainment is in gemini. So our curiosity, intellectual pursuits, knowledge/truth, experiences. It could of also been somewhat of a childlike curiosity to a dangerous extent bc he was definitely young and not from California. He had just very recently moved there from New York, so this could of been his 1st time visit. I'm not sure how busy it is at the Golden gate bridge welcome center at 8pm, on the website it says they're closed at 6pm. So not sure if he was there after hours or what, I just know during active hours they can be pretty busy/chaotic. There's a bunch of cars/traffic, variety of people/vistors/tourists/families etc, lots of things to do, so it's easy to be overwhelmed by everything going on there.
Jupiter square the asc:
He could have done something in excess possibly, maybe he is located far from where he's expected to be. Maybe something foreign and unexpected/untypical happened to him.
Mars sesquiquadrate the asc:
Idk why but I get the feeling he could of been under the influence, maybe smoking/drinking. Mars in hard aspect to the ascendant would be brash decisions, being to heavy on their feet, clumsy, impulsive, abrasive, excessively confident.
Even tho I don't think this is something he would do based on what we know about him and his past. If that's not the case maybe whatever happened to him was quick, harsh, forceful/painful, basically anything but soft or gentle.
Pluto conjunct ascendant:
It would of been very visible to others that he was a influential individual, maybe he was intimidating, powerful looking, deep, he could of also been eerily quiet at some points. Like his presence was felt strongly to those surrounding him.
He could of also seemed very naive tho at the same time since I just noticed that pluto is in the 12th house. Maybe this power and influence was hidden/dimmed in some way.
7H Moon opposite 12H pluto:
Maybe he was feeling very unstable at this time, like one second he was feeling safe, good, comfortable, in a familiar environment but then all of sudden he would be paranoid, hyper aware, afraid, suspicious etc. He could of felt like he was having some kind of psychosis, derealization.
I have my natal pluto in the 12h also conjunct my ascendant so I understand that feeling very much.
Something interesting is that with pluto on the ascendant and with moon opp pluto it seems like this could have a lot to do with assets, power, extracting resources from something/someone but all of his belongings were found. A backpack with his personal paperwork, 2 laptops, wallet. So if all of his belongings were found, it would be only him who went missing..
Let's not get too ahead ourselves bc this was at the point when he was seen leaving in the uber. Let's check out the 8pm chart.
Wow...looks like a lot has changed since he left in the uber at 7:15pm.
Moon in the 6th house:
So the moon was in the 7th house at 7:15, meaning that he was definitely with someone at this time where it was mutual/give-take type of relationship. Could explain basically the whole uber situation "ride sharing" to now at 8pm at the Golden gate bridge. It's possible that he needed help at this time, the 6th house to me is our health, so I wonder if he was hurt already at this moment. Either he needed help or someone was asking him for help. He could of been at aid of someone else or looking for some himself.
The moon can actually tell us a lot about the current situation, in a crazy deep way. To me this one is very important.
So leo moon in the 6th house could explain that maybe he was trying to have fun and medicate himself? Maybe he wanted to be seen in a good light, could stem from anxiety, perfectionism, wanting validation. Medicating was his way of getting his nerves under control and to get him to feel how he wanted to feel in that moment. He was seeking some attention/affection/admiration, maybe even just needed someone to acknowledge everything he's done. It's like sometimes all you need is to hear is that you're doing well, or some words of encouragement. Some people don't get enough reassurance, so it makes them feel somewhat insecure and unstable. He could of also wanted some kind of feedback, advice, someone who can solve a problem he had.
Sun opposite asc:
Maybe he could of been somewhat egotistical, swinging between wanting to be self-assured, bold, presentable, to needing others to ground him, validate him, soothe him. Maybe at some points he wanted to be alone but then he suddenly wanted company and to socialize. This may be a very important point in the chart bc the sun is exactly opposing the asc both at 22° so that confirms that this is a significant aspect. He could have been having trouble being perceived, he felt at odds/disconnected with his appearance vs. center core self. He could of felt somewhat chaotic or unorganized.
I'm curious who this friend was that he went to go see and if they can confirm that they were possibly doing dr*gs bc that's what this chart seems like to me. From what we know about this case, there is no information about the friend and who he went to meet that night. No follow up about that person or anything. The police must know something we don't, they don't wanna reveal all the information yet or maybe in the process of getting it.
Venus opposite asc:
Maybe he was unaware or not in control of how he was being perceived. Bc venus is the ruler of libra which is our partnerships and relationships, aspecting the ascendant would be the way we show up for ourselves and others in a presentable, respectful, thoughtful, pleasing way. With venus opp asc maybe he was getting somewhat sloppy and losing his "grace" if that's the right word. Basically he was just becoming someone who was unpleasant to be around or he would swing between self interested, selfish to trying to please others. Since venus is in the 6th house maybe he wanted to seem normal and not intoxicated.
Jupiter in the 3rd conjunct uranus:
It's possible he's a short distance away/nearby. Something very unexpected happened.
UPDATE:
This whole post was unfinished bc at the time (before we knew what happened to yohanes) my mind wasn't super clear and I was unable to read these charts, but we now have an update so I'll finish up the rest of the details later.
They say his death was consistent with murder/suicide.
Authorities said 22-year-old Yohanes Kidane was positively identified by the Marin County coroner's office more than two weeks after he was
I remember telling someone in the forensic astrology group on fb (link to that below) that it couldn't have been a suicide bc he had so much going for him with his new job at netflix and his accomplishments, but at the end of the day those things aren't as important as who we are with out those things. It doesn't matter how "good" someone has it, there's more to life than what the public sees or what we do to stay afloat/survival.
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Cases openly discussed.
So for me, it's still not clear what happened on that submarine. I'm curious what was going on with stockton rush, since he was the pilot at the time.
Let's take a look at his natal chart and the day of death. If you wanna see my interpretation of what happened in general that day, check out my most recent posts.
Stockton rush is the outter wheel and day of, is the inner wheel.
His natal chart above, no time of birth.
What's crazy is the ascendant was on his north node, this would of made him basically "more visible, famous, relevant" in the people's eyes, which it did but he would of loved that tbh. He was super passionate about what he does and he did mention in a oceangate introduction video about wanting to get people more engaged and the media was a way to do that.
Day of chart above, time starting from lost connection of the submarine.
I think with his north node conjunct venus, asc, mars, it put his marsian/venusian traits out in the open for everyone to see. His mission/goals for oceangate was something now everyone is suddenly interested in and tbh he prob created the new wave of interest that will be what's to come in new and improved submersibles for the future. Unfortunately people are gonna piggy back from his ideas and you know the rest.. but if it's for the good of us all I guess he did do something positive and helped other learn from his mistake.
Venus=Money, material things, high quality things/experiences.
He wanted the submarine to feel nice, look nice, be aesthetically pleasing in every way, so his focus was a lot on what it would feel like as a random passanger to sit inside and have that titanic tour experience. Venus is about, smell, feel, quality, looks, prob even efficient function too. Since venus is also a ruler of libra there was a level of wanting to make things accessible and in a way it's balanced to everyone.
Natal moon/saturn transitting into the 7th house:
Possibly that his comfort zone was not what he wanted. Maybe he could of been very attached to a certain way of doing things but unfortunately he realizes that he had to compromise some things. He had the right intentions, he wasn't trying to just break the rules and disregard the life/safety of others. Atleast he didn't do that knowingly. He was learning how to be more thoughtful of others and their concerns. He could of also been attached to his own ways, and being weighed down by demands of others.
Healing is a process
Natal jupiter transiting into the 8th house:
Wow... I got the goosebumps with this transit right here
It's basically describing the nature in which he passed away. Traveling/exploring to a far, unfamiliar distance. Jupiter is a teacher in a way, it provides us with new experiences, curiosity, chances to learn from our past, to become wiser people. It also describes far away/foreign place/distances, unlike it's sister sign gemini which represents short distances. It could describe a prolonged death, feeling/being aware of everything deeply. I don't trust anyone who says "oh they had a 100% painless death." We are living breathing humans who hurt even by a tiny cough or scratch, so you're telling me someone didn't even have time to panick about what was about to happen? Of course they felt something. I feel like they had enough time to know their fate, if they ended up making it alive I bet they would of had a crazy ass story to tell..
Jupiter in the 8th house is said to give individuals a long life, so that's what makes me think it wasn't as quick as everyone said.
You would think that the 8th house is overused in astrology as the "scary house of death" I heard some astrologers say things like that and they call it "doom astrology" where people focus on the most negative or dramatic sides of astrology but, tbh the 8th house is plain and simple. It is what is is and it def represents death in all the charts that I've seen so far, whether saturn is in the 8th, on the sun, etc, it gives us a picture of what way the 8th house played out. And no it doesn't always mean death. But in this case it does. You have to look at everything involved.
His natal sun/mc transiting in the 9th house:
He was definitely trying to perfect his craft at this time, sun and mc are the most "visible" planets to the public along with North node. So maybe this could explain what we all are finding out about him now and his own exploration of life itself. He had the intention to learn for the time being, he was focused on being well informed, even if that means he's the 1st one to risk his life doing so. Bc the 9th house is sometimes a lonely house imo. They don't ask for help, they don't often look to others for guidance, they don't, not feel pain in the process of figuring these things out, they find out everything by their own experiences. I'm sure he didn't expect to pass away so maybe he thought something else was going on with the titan sub and not that it was in the verge of imploding.
Natal chart 👈 👉 day of chart, transit synastry.
Natal mercury conjunct transit neptune:
He was extremely sensitive, he could feel, hear every single thing that happened, good or bad.. and he felt it deeply. I feel like neptune mercury transits could also make you more idealistic than usual, not focusing on the the little practical details. He was feeling creative at this time.
Natal jupiter conjunct transit saturn:
I wish I knew what house he had jupiter in bc that would make this so much more accurate but,
Day of chart planet houses, above.
Saturn is in the 7th house, maybe he felt somewhat trapped in his relationships with people and not only that but in his creative endeavers and interests, with saturn there restricting him. Jupiter wants to expand is arms, legs, mind to as much as it possibly can bc it's all about freedom, expansion, knowledge. You can't obtain knowledge being in the same small square box with no new information/feedback, space to experience. Jupiter on saturn could feel very limiting for someone who values those things.
Maybe he felt like people were telling him what he could and couldn't do but he wanted to find that out and verify it for himself, that's how you truly learn something deeply.
Mercury square sun:
He was kind of out of it mentally imo, he was stretching himself out too thin. Maybe a lot of things needed his attention but things just didn't come out clearly enough. He was making lots of little mistakes that possibly triggered his ego, I had the same transit since I'm a pisces mercury, at the beginning of gemini season. Like my mind, brain, hands were clumsy and not doing what I wanted them to do, dropping/tripping on things and it was obvious the little mistakes I made if I was in anyone's visibility. My thoughts were everywhere pretty much
Natal pluto opposition transit saturn:
So his pluto was transiting into the 2nd house.
I feel like stockton wanted to find security in a way, he wanted to understand something in depth but also it could of been a lot about money. I think in his mind his motivation was to create something so helpful/useful that he just knew it would ultimately be making him a lot of money and he would be the 1st person who lead/created this opportunity for everyone. He wanted to be stable, reliable, financially well off.
I heard from people who knew him that he wanted to be as successful and as influential as elon musk or Jeff bezos but for underwater expeditions.. unfortunately, he will never get to do that. This placement describes this exactly
He prob also felt pressure from restrictions of what you can and can't do with the "submarine community" (if that's what it's called idk), such as their standards and requirements to be certified to dive with tourists. It's like he felt he couldn't do what he wanted to do, he couldn't fulfill his dream. That would lead to frustration and powerlessness.
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I just realized I have this transit too, my natal pluto is transitting in the 2nd house and it's been there for months now.. it's a time your finances probably aren't doing so well, it messes with your security, confidence and everything you thought you knew before. For ex I was secure in my ability to predict things but ever since this transit, it's like slowly everything I learned started deteriorating along with my confidence. Once you lose confidence in yourself/abilities, it's as if everything else gets lost with it.
His natal Saturn opposite transit venus:
Venus was in the 12th house.
Things weren't going according to plan, it's like you think you do everything right, going back fixing things and only for it to continue malfunctioning.
Venus would be the submarine in my eyes bc it was pretty much a luxury experience, and it had to do with money, the money he spent on it to look/function the way it does and the 12th house is obviously a water vehicle. If it was in the 3rd house then that would be a car.
I feel like his intention to create a easy, simple, comforting submarine experience wasn't working out like he thought. He planned everything, he worked hard on it, he even did his best to limit his own far fetched ideas so that this could actually work out well but that didn't work either. So he tried everything, from being more responsible, being miserly, being less idealistic and trying to be more practical/functional.
I remember him saying that most submarines now have lots of controls and bulk, he wanted his sub to be simple and easy to control. All the titan submarine had was one single button, 3 sonar/monitor screens and a control. This was not the most high quality of all the submarines nor was it any where near the best, it was just a real prototype of what he hoped to make of one. He was literally trying to test things out 1st hand, something that's probably never been done before. Unfortunately others didn't know that tho.
Another thing that came in mind here since venus is about material things/money, with it opposing saturn I wonder if he was trying to save money but if must of came out in a reckless way bc opposition is something that's out of our control. So you do one thing but then do the complete opposite too if there's some trigger. What's interesting is I feel like everyone was right about how he was trying to cut the costs of the materials by a lot... in a way yes, it's more affordable but also cheaper in quality, prone to breakage. He knew what he was sacrificing, I don't get why he was so willing to risk his life in that way..
This one is a stretch but maybe he was trying to make it seem as if everything was fine when it wasn't. He knew how serious this was but when you're in the company of people who paid you well and are expecting a professional, competent pilot/safe experience overall. You don't wanna alarm anyone.. but who knows
Natal saturn opposite mars in the 12th house:
So I wonder if this was the 1st time in a while that the submarine went as deep as it did bc it seems like there must of been sudden complications. Things would work out according to plan but then your efforts would be blocked/restricted out of no where.
I had this transit once, mars was opposing my natal saturn and oof. It was bad, I came up with the flu all of sudden just a week before an important event.. I thought I wouldn't make it. If anyone's ever had the flu it literally feels like death and people do die from it. You can barely move, you feel sickly, it makes you (or just me) insecure bc you can't take action or do anything, not even medicine helps. I like to constantly do things to keep myself busy but during this transit I wasn't able to do any of that.. I literally could only lay in bed, couldn't eat, could barely get up.. especially during a time where I was preparing to do something a week ahead, I felt the pressure + excited about it at 1st but then this came from no where and knocked me off my feet.. it was very frustrating
yeah so imagine how this transit showed up for stockton..you're in the middle of the ocean and you suddenly get trapped or you have some issue. The way it played out for him was, once you're that deep in the water, nothing can save you, you're really stuck, stuck. Idk if the controls gave out or the whole vessel itself stopped working, but it looks like they felt as if they were in a prison, small confined, suffocating space. Couldn't move. It makes me feel like this wasn't meant to happen, it was just the wrong place/time. And everyone says they felt no pain but idk about that👀
No where near finished with this but I'll be taking a break and adding more info to this as I go.. hope you enjoyed what's up so far and please leave a like if you wanna see more forensic astrology posts like this.