Do you think Jake killing those 17000 unhosted yeerks was a war crime? Was it necessary? What do you think would have happened if he hadn't given that order?
Was it a war crime? Yes, absolutely â they're noncombatants. Was it necessary? Depends on how you define necessary, and whether you're talking to Eva or to Erek at the time.
What would have happened if they hadn't?
It's hard to say, because that final plan is so convoluted. But my read is that Jake flushes the Pool ship, as much as anything, in a last-ditch effort to save Rachel's life. He knows their timing is super-delicate, that Visser Three firing on the Blade ship is a bad-but-acceptable outcome because it'll wipe out the morph-controllers and Rachel, but that Tom's yeerk firing on the Pool ship is a catastrophic outcome because it'll wipe out five Animorphs and the leadership that humanity needs surrender from if they're going to prevent the andalites from wiping out planet Earth. He has to stop either ship from taking out the other by creating a diversion, and finds a diversion that also becomes a show of power.
What does happen as a result of killing those 17,000 yeerks:
Visser formerly-Three gets the abundantly clear message that he has lost control of his empire, and surrenders as a result
On board the Blade ship, the morph-controllers are distracted long enough for Rachel to get in position and kill Tom
Nonetheless, Rachel dies and the Blade ship gets away with at least a few living morph-controllers still on board
The andalite Dome ship also gets the abundantly clear message that Jake, not Visser Three, is in control of Earth â that's part of why they're willing to negotiate with him
So if the Pool ship isn't flushed, how much of that changes? Hard to say. Maybe Visser Three annihilates the Blade ship, which is sad but a better outcome than we get in canon. Maybe humanity loses Earth to the yeerks, or the andalites, or both. But there are so many moving pieces to that final battle â Jake, James et al., Arbron et al., Marco and Ax, Tom's yeerk, Visser Three, the other morph-controllers, Toby et al., General Doubledday et al., Rachel, Cassie and Tobias, the Dome ship Elfangor, the Andalite Electorate, Visser Three's troops, Eva et al., freakin Alloran out of left field â that it's really hard to say what the final result would be. Humanity does successfully fight off the yeerks and form an alliance with the andalites in the version we get, but at a steep cost.
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so, hypothetically speaking what if you were to do away with a species only for not all of the individuals to have died and only later find out?
The Coordinator: You mean the Titans? We are aware we missed one. Why do you think we didn't finish our job there? Though now that that ultra mega fauna has fertilized the ground for as long as it has, I'm interested to see what has sprung from their corpses. Deprived lands given excellent fertilizer produce such stunning landscapes. But we aren't due to pay Titania a visit until we are signaled by something else, and that something else has not returned to us.
The Coordinator: Well, there is a second, agreed upon, time for our return. But it is still...quite a ways away. Speaking of, the sample is still in good condition, correct, Charmer?
The Charmer: Of course. I check on it every 50 orbits like we said we should.
The Cartographer: Can't wait for the..."signal" to be back. This is certainly a normal thing to refer to him as.
The Charmer: I don't want to hear another word from you.
So you see, preserver is an ugly b-tch who is Genocidal, thank you guys for watching and see you guys next time
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It was my birthday yesterday, and I was wondering if you would be willing to part with a snippet from early in Anabasis? No pressure at all if not. (Thank you either way)
Hey anon, sorry for the delay in replying. And happy belated birthday!
Early Anabasis, huh. Okay. I can definitely do that, though I warn you: this story is so long and Iâve been writing it over such a period of time that I already know Iâm going to probably end up making a lot of changes (and possibly significant changes) to the early chapters especially. But what Iâm posting here hasnât seen those edits yet. So, some Early Installment Weirdness is probably to be expected.
âI donât want to argue about this, Obi-Wan,â she saidfirmly. âIâm not a Jedi, and I donât fully understand the Jedi concept of theworld, but I do understand grief. And Iâm not advocating for amnesty for him,you know that. I only â â
âBut you might,â said Obi-Wan, and there was no disguisingthe emotion in his voice now. âThe Council knows the line of investigationyouâve been pursuing, but Iâm afraid youâre only deceiving yourself, Senator. DarthVader may be young, but heâs far from innocent, and a Sith regardless of hisage. Indeed, the Sith Master now, as well you know.â
Naked surprise shone in Obi-Wanâs eyes, and his face wastroubled now as he stepped away from her. âForgive me, Senator,â he said. âItwas not my intent to impose anything on the Senate. I only meant to offeradvice to a friend.â
âYes,â she admitted. âI do. But how can you not be curious?How can you not want to know? There are no records in Imperial files, no birthcertificate, no medical history, not even record of a speeder sale or a credithistory. Darth Vader is a ghost, and as far as any record is concerned, AnakinSkywalker never existed at all. How can that not raise questions for the Jedi?â
âIâm sorry,â she said. âI really am. I appreciate all youâredoing for the Republic, and for me. But Anakin isnât a Jedi, and the Republichas no laws concerning Sith Lords. Therefore he must be regarded as any othercitizen of the Republic under the law, and we need to know as much about hiscase as possible.â
âNo,â she said slowly. âI donât think they did. I canâtimagine they would have let it go, if they had noticed. But mostly, I thinktheir suspicions of him kept them from paying much attention to either of us.We werenât the danger in that room, for them.â
Golly, what is a cleaning? Surely it won't be horrifying or otherwise discomforting ^_^ (<- clueless)
The Coordinator: When mortals are being too troublesome we have a procedure we begin. We leave the planet to focus on information cataloguing, and when is is completed we send out large, star-shaped constructs to sweep the planet and collect as many of the mortals as possible.
The Cartographer: I hate Cleanings, and I always object, but my vote isn't counted because I almost never participate in Collection missions. The Curator hates Cleaning as well, partially because the massive influx requires her to quickly design and construct huge wings of the Archive to store them, and then she has to start organizing them continuously, with no break, until the sweep is concluded.
The Coordinator: Yes, and once the sweep has finished we determine if we have Collected sufficiently from every species. If additional sweeps are deemed necessary we initiate them. If we have Collected sufficiently we commence the final step where we use our magic to begin to heat up the planet until it can no longer support life. This ensures that life will not re-evolve on that planet. We could move the whole planet out of the habitable zone to achieve a similar effect, but that's not allowed because it would unnecessarily disrupt the rest of the solar system. And cooling it is a bandaid at best, since it will re-warm in a few hundred, maybe a thousand years.
The Charmer: Wow, what a detailed description that I don't think you should have said, Coordinator.
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The Coordinator: It is in the guidebook. We cannot not Collect from a planet that has life, but if the mortals are hostile to our presence, fighting us at every step, attempting to harm us, even. It is simply easiest to commence a Cleaning instead of attempting to make peace with a species that will likely not change their minds and allow us to freely Collect, let alone assist us in our mission.
The Coordinator: Us being on our own to Collect is not something we are unfamiliar with, since most planets lack intelligent life that we can enlist; but a continual, aggressive interference would slow us down too much. The longer we take on a planet the more likely it is we will be too late to Collect from another. It has happened on a few occasions that we have discovered a planet that encountered some cataclysm before we arrived, which nearly or completely wiped out all life. We study what we can, but the notes are cursory at best, mostly theoretical, and based on previously encountered species. Not to mention it is only on the most prevalent species that we can quickly find examples of, if we can find any examples at all.
The Coordinator: Though it means less work for me to do, it is truly sad when we are too late. Which is why the cataloguing of a species' behaviors, societies, and everything else is so vital before a Cleaning. It's very unfortunate when it has to happen, but as long as it is written in our books, and the specimens stored in our Archive, they shall be preserved for eternity.
Building on this question, is there anything you disagree with Syl about morally?đ
(Ooc: oh yeah, i totally agree with mod, i just like attempting to give kaladin an existential crisis </3 Elhokar should've been allowed the chance to grow đ i mean, moash should also have been allowed to slap him really hard like one time but murder may have been a bit much)
I don't think they were outright disagreements so much as things we were/are struggling with, but that the Listeners and Singers are right to protect their own. They have the right to defend themselves against the people who have enslaved them. I don't believe that answering genocide with genocide is the answer, and I think they deserve to be free from Odium, who has no one's best interests at heart but his own, but good options are few and far between for them.
Where we disagree is that I fault Honor for backing the humans against the Singers rather than seeking nonviolent solutions. Syl grew up with family who were directly formed by Honor, so to her, he was family. It's hard to start questioning when you were raised to think a certain way, and even being nonconformist doesn't fully change that.
Numers Dulcot lived in a hive made of metal and mesh, glass and light, nothing but the finest materials one could obtain. His lusus was in the basement, kept far from the light and far from other trolls, safe and deep and easy to ignore. So he sat in a chair of glass, fingers resting on a keyboard as he tracked trolls across the galaxy for his Condensce, the best he could do for her, preparing for the future he would help to lead.
And he planned, quietly, with those who agreed with him. No more lowbloods. No more disgusting, useless, short-lived cretins who dragged troll society down with them. They would be slaughter, die en masse, go the way of the limebloods until only highbloods remained. Servants could be made from inhabitants of invaded planets, aliens that would never pollute the mothergrub.
The plan was simple, simplicity, numbers and no more. Numers loved numbers that way other trolls seemed to care for each other. He knew them, understood them, used them and trusted them. Numbers and Numers went together easily. So he moved numbers, counted numbers, changed numbers, shifting ideas until he had found the next step.
