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If this is sorta "fork found in kitchen," sorry! But, I was thinking and thought this was really interesting.
For a very long time, I thought that Dess was the knight, but now I'm not as sure. I think Dess truly is missing, but she's stuck inside the code of the game, which she accessed by going to the bottom of the lake, much like Noelle in the weird route. Stick with me! :)
In the weird route ending (both abandoned and not), Noelle takes you to the edge of the lake, until you seemingly drown. The further you go into the lake, though—even before you start to drown—the color starts to change. I think if this lake was simply just the lake, it'd stay the same color, right? Especially considering the lake is somewhat of a mystical figure to them; Noelle says the line,
"Tell me to grow wings...and let's fly out of this stupid town! To somewhere that no one has ever been before!"
...right before they go off in the chapter 5 weird route. They're quite literally "crossing over," and Noelle frequently has symbolism with angel wings. To me, it feels like what's beyond this lake is moreso what's beyond this world.
I'm gonna take a little left turn here and talk about Dess! :) Let's say, for the sake of this, that the "original heroes" theory (as I'll call it) is true—the one in which Asriel, Dess, and Seam were the original three heroes before Kris, Susie, and Ralsei. I wish I could find the screenshot of where this is said, but it's brought up in chapter 5 that there was a dark world before our current three heroes, and that the Knight can only appear when there are three heroes. So, the implication is that there had to have been a team of three before our team of three.
Maybe, something similar happened to these heroes that happened to Kris and Noelle. Maybe, Asriel and Dess also found out that there was another layer beyond their world, much like how Noelle is realizing not only the difference in "Kris"'s actions, but also that due to game coding, she literally has to do everything that Kris says. She has to get stronger.
In the abandoned weird route, Kris gets out of the lake, and we're unsure where Noelle went. If this is what happened to Asriel and Dess, maybe Asriel got out, but Dess didn't. So, did she drown?
I don't think so! In every chapter, there's this dialogue found within the code (the one above is the one from chapter 5.) I think that this is Dess talking from outside the confines of what's in the visuals of the game—out of Hometown, but not out of the entire code of Deltarune. That's what I think lies beyond the lake, hence the change in color! This would also explain the dialogue with Onionsan.
Doesn't this remind you of the lostgirl.ogg thing? Plus Dess's inclination to music?
Maybe because music is seen as one of the things that grounds you the most? In the sense of how usually for dementia patients, songs are what stick in their heads the most, or when to study, people use musical mnemonics to recall information better. Maybe music is just what resonates with Dess. In a greater sense, too, this explains why Toby Fox would've highlighted that she was a musician.
Going back to the idea that Asriel maybe had a snowgrave-like situation with Dess (note that I don't think it was snowgrave—I mean, I think they moreso were just driven crazy by the realization of the higher power that is the soul), the fact that she doesn't even remember how she got to this world reminds me lots of the dialogue Noelle has in relation to the weird route.
It's almost like she blacks out when Kris is commanding her to do something. Maybe, something similar happened to Dess?
I also thinks this plays into this ending shot, as "Side B" is what the weird route is sometimes called within the files of the game. Maybe, this is a glimpse into the "code" that Noelle is now in, as well?
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I Know What Happened to December Holiday [CH.5 Spoilers]
Hi all!
Longtime lurker and first time poster in the Deltarune theory community. I've been with UTDR since as far back as 2016, but it's only recently that I've been quick enough on the draw to really hit a theory like this.
It's my dream to create a video on a theory I've made. If you have any thoughts on this, please let me know! Apologies if someone has already posted something like this. I'm intending to script and post a small theory video this weekend in my usual favorite styles. Spoilers for Chapter 5, of course.
I was actually a Knight-Knight truther, based on a theory I saw before Chapter 5's release. I'd love to give credit to whoever I'm talking about, but I essentially took some time before the chapter to pull back and focus on the narrative of the game as a whole and take the least interesting approach possible.
Now, though, my current belief has shifted. I'm going all in on December Knight, as I think most people are right now. Rudy Knight is suspect as a result of him falling down at the beginning of the chapter. Although Carol Knight can still apply on account of coming in very late to the chapter, we don't have anything like Tenna outright describing the Knight as late to confirm this.
My theory, which I intend to coin as Ghost Theory, is predicated on the following pieces of lore.
EVIDENCE
Chapters 3, 4, and 5 were intended to be released as a single package. As such, threads in these chapters build on one another strongly. I intend, moving forward, to analyze them as a unit in a similar way and emphasize threads that are common across this chapter.
A major worldbuilding aspect of these three chapters is the relationship between Lighteners, Darkeners, and those who exist in between. Chapter 3 focuses heavily on Lighteners and their experiences of the Light World when a fountain is not present- mainly in characters like Tenna and Ramb, as well as in Ralsei's dialogue at the beginning of the chapter. Chapter 4 then adds two interesting parties to the mix: the Old Man, the image of a Lightener given new life in the darkness of a fountain, and the Titan, which appears to qualify as something darker than a Darkener (as indicated by Ralsei's dialogue on how Titans are what goes bump in the night and pure darkness, implying Darkeners are distinct and not pure darkness). Chapter 5 then introduces the flowers, which exist in a state between light and dark. Flowery explains at the end of the chapter that flowers exist and are conscious in the light world- capable of dreaming and whatnot- but can achieve a higher state in the presence of a dark world. The delineation here has interesting implications, but I intend to take that at face value here.
Pink, the secret boss of Chapter 5, is what Ralsei refers to as a 'Ghost Lightener', wherein the body that who can only be assumed to be the former Mad Dummy possessed turned out to be a darkener once a fountain was open with desires that conflicted with the ghost. Although Ghost Lightener may just refer to the ghost type of Lighteners- Napstablook, the Dummy, Mettaton- it seems odd for Ralsei to clarify this to a ghost who would already understand that.
Thanks to Asgore, we now have near-confirmation that whatever happened to Dess happened in a Dark World.
With that understanding, I was doing the fight and thinking to myself... 'okay, this is cool, but why is THIS fight specifically Pink/Mew Mew?'
And then it clicked.
The Claim: Pink is relevant to this chapter because she's what happened to December, who will be revealed as the Knight in Chapter 6 as a Ghost Lightener.
Ralsei may also be a form of Ghost Darkener, or something of that like, but I will look more into that later, as Dess has stronger and more apparent connections. If I was to take a stab at it, Ralsei might be a halfway between the dark world and an even lower layer of fiction, but that's nonsense until I find some proper evidence.
So, what happened to Dess?
We understand that Dess is currently trapped in the code, as she spoke again in this chapter and described herself as "a collection of memory". She clearly lacks a means of impacting the physical world she once called home. This was my main hesitance in fully supporting Dess Knight, a theory which still has strong evidence. Namely:
The distorted Lost Girl motif in Black Knife, as indicated by KazooCat's Deep Dive into motifs in Deltarune. Although this remains disputed, I find KazooCat's explanation to be strong evidence of the Knight being a lost girl. The only lost girl we know of with antlers would naturally be Dess.
The bat in the sprite.
The Kris connections.
So on, so fourth. You've heard this one.
The main issue I've had for a while is that Dess Knight requires Dess to be in two places at once: as the Knight, and in the code. There have been rough answers along the Ghost Lightener lines, but none of them have had canon relevance until now.
With Pink, we have precedent for a Lightener's consciousness to possess a Darkener, and then to promptly repressed (as the body is).
Though Dess isn't a ghost in the Light World, something strange may have happened to allow her to possess or be possessed by something in the Dark World.
Pink represents a being from a lower layer of reality (Mew Mew) being possessed by a being from a higher plane of reality (Mad Dummy).
So Let's Make Some Leaps.
Dess' mind and body are separate at this point in time. Why? Because the Knight qualifies as a Ghost Lightener/Darkener pair. Dess was shoved out of her body by the Darkener (if I was to guess, an entity having to do with the pointed tail of hell, which only appears in dark worlds and is shown by Ralsei when talking about Darkeners) and now exists as a 'collection of memories' and consciousness in the code/Depths/a different layer of reality. This would diverge from Pink so as to not have Pink completely spoil the reveal, obviously with something having gone wrong to make the Knight instead. This likely resulted from a Darkener suppressing a Lightener in this way.
This could also be used to explain the Knight's appearance for the moment. Friend is black with a white outline, as is the knight. Though the Knight lacks Friend's distinctive eyes, it does share this unusual palette. Mad Dummy's presence likewise changes the sprite color of the Mew Mew body when they're together.
In Closing,
It still has some ironing out. I intend to edit this page slowly over the coming days. I'm not the happiest about the conclusion at this point, but I want to get this set of evidence out here before anyone else does. Please let me know what you think!
TWOOOOO HOURS REMAIN (less than that now bc i got distracted when i opened tumblr) (by reblogging more deltarune tomorrow memes). AAAAAAA 💥👍
I'm aiming to play through the whole chapter today, idk if i'll liveblog my nonsense here or on bsky. But!! #deltarune spoilers and #drch5 / #drch5 spoilers are guaranteed to be tags i use with all my posts abt the game for at least the next two weeks.
Also! Spoiler tags are all well and good, but I recommend muting specific terms as well— stuff like characters' names or locations e.g "apple girlington" or "flower king" to filter out posts that mention that stuff in the post text.
Trying to avoid a repeat incident of "wow it's june 4th 2026 and I'm not getting any spoilers per se but the transfem Jax posting seems to have increased somewhat! wonder what that could mean, two days before i get to see the movie myself" 🫠
