#crazy.tx

Babes,,,, they wore pieces of their armour. Maybe not FULL armour but certainly pieces of it, at least towards the end. So like. The idea that they didn't have it??? Or that Satine somehow took it away???? Or that denied/made it difficult for them to get access to it????? Doesn't seem to hold any water if we have people wearing bits and pieces, not to this degree of people and not as openly as literally in a protest in front of Satine herself at least.

Build The Millennium Falcon issue 68 - Starship Fact File

what's written in each picture in the alt text OR below (tried to organized it):

they were TERRORISTS!

the moon was still WAYS OFF BETTER THAN IN MANDALORE THE TOXIC DESERT! (and if you go with lower canon, they still had agriculture and helped Mandalore sustain itself! the moon still looked okay after the civil war even if the forests were nearly decimated!)

we know from Rebels and lower canon that THEY WEREN'T STUCK TO THE MOON AND COULD GO OUT TO LIVE IN OTHER PLANETS! You want more proof? How about a dude that bombed Sundari was tracked down to Concordia! As in! He left Concordia! And there's no mention of that being a crime!

they had NOBLE TITLES (hello Princess Bo-Katan and confirmed-to-have-been-in-the-throne-room-when-Pre-Vizsla-died Countess Ursa!)!

They were autonomous and Satine let them do whatever they wanted! Since they had their own governor, were a province and Satine seemed to have ZERO IDEA what was happening inside!

We know they weren't kicked out because of warrior traditions SINCE IT'S CLEAR THAT THE NEW MANDALORIANS STILL HAD THEM (the kids still fought, they still had guards, they still had the protectors, they still wore bits of armour)!

If you like the RPG books, then let me tell you that NOT EVERY WARRIOR BECAME A DEATH WATCH AND WERE CHILL DOING LIVING THEIR LIVES AND IGNORING SATINE AND NEW MANDALORIANS!

Going even more into lower canon - the ones confrimed to have been exiled were, and wait for it.... a small number of traditionalists who refused to give up power after apeace movement (aka New Mandalorians) became popular enough to start demanding a stop to wars and essentially things that did not benefit the majority of the population! They were literally just an exiled high-ranking people who were STILL allowed to operate in a moon nearby!

Anyway tldr: stop giving a sad backstory to a group of people who were happy with burning villages, murder, enslaving people, working with crime syndicates to take back Mandalore because they knew they did not have the support of the majority of the population! there's no reason to do that and basically no support for it in canon imo.

anyways, have a satine redesign inspired by a post I saw talking about ugly scars in a war

and you know what? The pacifist leader of a war torn system of a warrior people SHOULD have some of those scars imo

Also she is blind on the eye of the scar, still can shoot though

Ehhhhh only in the worst of the worst of assumptions and ignoring semi-canon pieces of information.

Let's go by bits. Here's what we are told in TCW:

In the episode we are told that 1, the warriors were exiled and are assumed dead (this was said by Almec), 2, that the trees were only now growing back (and this is said by Satine), 3, Concordia is mostly independent of the control of the New Mandalorian Government (again, Satine/implied), 4, there was still enough population in the moon to justify having a Governor and finally, 5, that there are still warriors. Enough to justify mass production of armour.

In the next episode, we learn that the reason this whole thing happened was because of a civil war that killed over 50% of the mandalorians, with the warrior's losing.

From this alone, we can interpret many ways: from a "Concordia was in a bad state, but not as bad as Mandalore's, and that the warriors were exiled there didn't survive (or some significant number didn't) while the other population somehow did.", edit or a most likely knowing the shit that Death Watch does "Concordia was in a rough state but the warriors were barely affected, if affected at all and the claim that they died out was to cover their tracks and make Satine seem worse" to a horrible "Concordia was in a terrible state and the warriors were stuck there with nowhere else to go or help from Mandalore, died from the lack of resources and very few people, non-warriors, were still living there."

From that alone, and what we know, I think it's... weird to assume it's the later option and not the first? Because we have zero indication that Satine, who comforted a dying terrorist, would let that happen or wouldn't mention it to Obi-Wan in a sad way if she was forced to do it by the Mandalorian population. So like. Sure, headcanon that way, but be aware that from TCW alone, and the fact that the warriors are still very much alive and very much a group that is willing to lie, kill, enslave, etc it's... weird to assume the worst of the New Mandos? Why not assume that the New Mandalorians were given faulty information?

All this is without the other sources beyond TCW. Like, for example, the Fact Files from 2014, that (in number 38) tell us that Pre worked to gain Satine's trust, even renouncing his clan's help and becoming the Governor of Concordia (which again, Concordia is a Province and mostly independent of the control of the New Mandalorian Government, though How he became the Gorvernor I feel can get muddy, because while the same fact file implies that Satine possibly appointed him, I also feel like Satine is too respectful of the independence of the moon and the power of the people that another possible interpretation is that she supported Pre's campaign to become the Governor and that was what sold the population even if Pre wasn't that popular between them) and, throwing in another magazine - Star Wars Build The Millennium Falcon issue 68 - we also learn that the traditionalists that were exiled kept fighting in the moon until Pre got them working all together under him.

This very much means that there are Other reasons for why the statement was said - that they were aware of infighting continuing by the warrior clans and once it calmed down assumed the worst once they didn't hear anything. In my honest opinion, Pre probably took advantage off this to hide his warriors - who will keep an eye on warrior clans to make sure they aren't starting things if people think they are dead? And why would people doubt him? He had renounced his clan and was a trusted ally of Satine after all!

Let's throw in even other sources - in another Fact File from 2014, this one issue 98, we are told that Concordia was still producing enough to sustain Mandalore when needed and, in the Build The Millenium Falcon 68, we find out that Concordia wasn't that affected from the civil war overall, so we can immediately say that whoever was banished to Concordia had a Bigger Chance of survival from resources alone than those in Mandalore (that was a literal toxic desert). AND MORE, in other sources (the Age Of Rebellion core book + Rebels) shows that the Traditionalists were not forced to live solely in Concordia, in fact that had Everywhere Else in the Mandalorian sector to live in except in Mandalore.

They weren't poor woobies who revolted because they were treated badly and were taken advantage of by an extremist group, no! They are said to be a minority of traditionalists who were kicked out for refusing to give up power or Actually listen to the majority people! (issue 98 of the fact files from 2014) Those were the people who were kicked out! Not random farmers! People who wer find out had titles of nobility (Princess, countess)! And had governmental power!

+ similarities that I noticed

Continuing from my previous post about New Mandalorians ACTUALLY wearing pieces of armour, I went off the deep end trying to find more hints of it WITHOUT having to go through all the episodes

Okay so, first of all - armour bits! Mostly gauntlets and protections in the legs.

Now to similarities! Sabine's Karta Beskar seems to be in the clothes that Soniee and Lagos wore when they went to help rescue Satine, although inverted!

(also can we talk about their probably armoured corset-like thingy? or why they thought that was a better option than MORE ARMOUR!? did they forget it at home or something?)

Following designs in armours appearing in clothing (beyond, y'know the ones we see in basic new mando clothing, gauntlet like things, leg covers, boots that look like have armour and make me wonder if Almec is actually wearing armoured boots or not the whole time...), we have something else: The earpieces that Royal Cadets use seems to me similar enough to the antenna and (probably?) commlink - or earcover? Whatever - to assume they were at least inspired by it.

The Bo-Katan and Koska image is from Doctor Aphra (2020) #19

Yet another thing I noticed (but this time doesn't have anything to do with armour) - Satine wears the same boots as some cadets!

EDIT: removed the cadet lagos bit (pretty sure that she is only wear armour on her feet, I think the possible-vambrace was a piece of fabric) to make up for it, have a picture that I'm pretty sure has Almec wearing armour on his boots - or at least padded boots.