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Remember Nyota Uhura, and do not forget the racism though i think not only slash shippers are part of this problem. And don't tell me there isn't a problem with female characters and slash shippers. Obvioulsly, those issues were never solved.

Learn how to tag or do not tag at all unimportant ships 🙄

I've been in two separate fandoms in the last year where wlw shippers would attack other love interest characters and remove them from the narrative. In one case they refused to acknowledge the nonbinary identity of a character to reinforce the idea that the character was a man praying on wlw.

Yes, its weird when people only stick to one type of ship but that's not exclusive to mlm ships. It bothers me greatly that whenever I'm in a fandom with a prominent wlw shipper and I find people who jump fandoms just for the wlw ship which would be fine except they proceed to interact with every wlw ship as if they are the exact same characters copied and pasted. Any character who gets in the way of that man, woman or otherwise, gets the same treatment and the biphobia, acephobia and transphobia, unless it's the proper MTF transition, is rampant in wlw spaces.

I agree about f/f pairings being swallowed up in m/m stories. It's a real problem. Years ago I read exclusively slash fiction but now I'm starting to read more het and femslash and it's 100% annoying when I browse a femslash ship tag on ao3 and most of the results are for m/m stories with the f/f pairing only in the background. "Enforce first pairing" feature is a lifesaver but it only comes so far and only on ao3. Please if the femslash in your ship doesn't have lots of scenes in your fic and it's only mentioned, you need to tag the ship in the additional tags as "background (ship name)" or "minor (ship name)", not in the main relationship field!

That said, op had to ruin it and complain about fujoshi being fujoshi. Stars, not this shit again.

I have seen female bashing in m/m stories. Making the Canon Female Love Interest behave in horrible ways that she never would. It's also a real problem. It's sickening. However a lot of the times when female characters/het/femslash fans complained that "CFLIs are erased in slash stories" there are 3 options they are referring to: 1 canon het pair never dated and are instead besties; 2 canon het pair broke up before or during the fic; 3 CFLI is shipped in "fake ships".

And I'm sorry but all of this seems so juvenile to me because those are not misogynistic?? Like, what do you want slash writers to do? Some do like to explore dynamics with CFLIs but most writers just write to make their faves kiss, because, shockingly, most people dislike love triangles. They don't want to create drama by adding a het relationship (and from experience, if they did add drama with infidelity and/or ugly break up you'd complain that they made the CFLI suffer). They just want to focus on the main romance. And the slash ship will get together regardless, so if they pair the CFLI with other characters that means that they actually like the idea of it. Yes, not as much as the gay ship, and yes, they still need to be taught about the tag issue, but none of the above things are inherently misogynistic; the real problem is the issue of ignorance of the tagging system and etiquette.

Also "it's weird that you only ship m/m" is so incredibly uncool. Nobody should make assumptions of anybody based on their fictional preferences. Slash shippers do not owe femslash shippers engagement (actually no fan owes other fans engagement of any kind) and they don't need to pass some female character loving test to qualify as a good fan or a good person. What you consume in fiction is not what you are in real life, and consuming only slash content doesn't make you weird. What is weird is to judge people for what they find compelling in fics.

Sorry for the long rant but if you made it to the end, thank you.

I will however counter them that it is not a mlm thing, just that mlm ships are the ones that are annoying OP with the behavior. I recall in another fandom a ship that was seemingly so popular, in fact it was technically the second most popular ship, and yet was always written as a second string and in a way that made character B seem like a punishment for character A because to the fandom they were supposed to be. The character A bashing tag was no more, and they needed to get more creative on how to hate them. It was, interestingly enough a mlm ship to get character A away from the wlw ship so I would not in the slightest say its a mlm shipper thing only but rather fandoms way of getting rid of hated characters without getting called out on it in general. mlm ships just make up a majority of fandom spaces and so its much more obvious when they do it even though I've also even seen a few cases with a m/f ship pushing the canon love interest away with a f/f or mlm ship. They aren't in love. That's just their gay bestie.

It's the politically correct way to get away with running a character through the mud while still getting praise and is everything wrong with the way modern fandom is ran on cancle culture as the people who say the right thing even as they do the wrong thing get praise and the people who are at least honest that they don't want that character around and therefore will not be writing them get canceled.

I'd much rather read a Spirk fic where Uhura mysteriously never appears or appears and is never addressed as anything more than a background character than read one where she's just dating Scotty or Chapel to cheat on Spock.

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I'm really annoyed by the m/m shippers for at least two reasons 1) they like to erase female characters who often are the main romantic interesting (Nyota Uhura, Grilka, Natima Lang, Carol Marcus...) 2) they pretend to ship the female romantic interest with another female character and they love so much f/f ships so you see they are not misogynist. but the fanfic they write, it's like queerbaiting but for f/f ships only. Stop tagging f/f ships on AO3 if they just have one line of dialogue. Stop tagging f/f ships in your tumblr spirk post. Just stop lying. It's ridiculous. Years ago, I could avoid those people because all their ship was centered around m/m ship even in multiple fandom. It's fucking weird to be in multiple fandom and to ship only m/m. I wasn't comfortable reading their stuff, so it was easy to avoid them back them. I read f/f, f/m, m/m, yes in some fandom, like OUAT I read more f/f fanfic but for x-files it's more m/f ship. But the pure m/m are so hateful toward female characters that it trigger me.