#comptuer programming

I have made a discovery that seems to set limits on the usefulness of ChatGPT for my music programming work. In retrospect, my discovery is not surprising. It is simply that ChatGPT spits out so much stuff, so fast, that if I do not proceed step by step and verify every response, before I can notice it, ChatGPT will fix one thing and break another, or fail to keep track of which are the latest files that I attach to my prompts and so fix the wrong code. And just because ChatGPT is going faster than I can, I too will get lost. I will lose my understading of the current state of my work. And in programming, lack of understanding is fatal.

I call the many responses that AI produces AI slop. I all too easily get lost in this AI slop (my allusion to the old television series Lost in Space is deliberate). And I begin to waste time spinning my wheels.

I very much doubt that my experience is unusual.

The thing that really alarms me is the thought that, if our society becomes completely dependent upon and interwoven with AI, and this indeed is what is really happening, we will all get lost in slop, and lose our own understanding of what we are doing. And without it, we can't be creative. And since AI (so far anyway) is not creative, this will diminish the amount of actual creativity on the planet.

I'm not trying to be alarmist, and I certainly have found that ChatGPT greatly speeds up some of my programming tasks. But spinning my wheels in the slop has eaten a substantial slice of that gain.

17:38 < vulture-> thats the basics 17:38 -!- gonzoj [[email protected]] has joined ##asm 17:38 < elspru> I program in asm, I pronounce it awesome. 17:39 -!- pr0zac [~pr0zac@unaffiliated/pr0zac] has joined ##asm 17:39 < elspru> oh btw, in terms of OS's, I'm working on GIOS general-intelligence-operating-system,  currently writing it's                 base or the HSPL the human-speakable-programming-language 17:39 < vulture-> so basically the linux OS provides no built-in memory management outside of page granularity while windows                   still does :P 17:39 -!- tLt- [[email protected]] has joined ##asm 17:39 < vulture-> human speakable programming languages make me cry 17:39 < ThFabba> That's because Linux is just a kernel 17:39 < elspru> why? 17:40 < ThFabba> Every actual installation of it also has a libc, including malloc ^^ 17:40 < elspru> vulture-: they could get more fems into programming, thereby increasing chance of computer programmers                 procreating. 17:40 < vulture-> because as a programmer.... its the exact opposite of what I want :D 17:40 < vulture-> yeah but if you cant understand basic computer science, do you really want those people to program 17:41 < elspru> computer-science is just a bunch of symbol-languges only historically related to computers. 17:41 < vulture-> computer science is math :D 17:41 < vulture-> if you dont understand algorithms, how will you program 17:42 < vulture-> you can do hello world, but can you sort? 17:42 < elspru> if you can write a story, can also write a program.  17:42 < elspru> I can make any conceivable algorithm with a turing complete language. 17:43 < vulture-> I disagree with this "[16.41.49] <elspru> if you can write a story, can also write a program." 17:43 < vulture-> unless your program is simply "hello world" :) 17:43 -!- tLt [[email protected]] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:43 -!- sigsegv [~0xc0ff33@unaffiliated/ecl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:44 < elspru> storys and programs have many similarities,  i.e setting be read-only variables,  variables be                 story-characters,  procedures/function/structure be plot 17:44 -!- sigsegv [~0xc0ff33@unaffiliated/ecl] has joined ##asm 17:44 < elspru> there is usually a result or moral of the story also 17:45 < neuro_sys> as an english literature major, I agree to a great extent. the main difference is that a n00b story                    writer can think that they have written a fully functional story.

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17:47 < vulture-> also the huge abstractions used to make it spokeny are generally counterproductive 17:48 -!- Love4Boobies [[email protected]] has joined ##asm 17:48 -!- Love4Boobies [[email protected]] has quit [Changing host] 17:48 -!- Love4Boobies [~kvirc@unaffiliated/pinchme] has joined ##asm 17:48 < elspru> I 17:48 < vulture-> I more simply think that basic computer science (specifically algorithmic thinking) should be a required                   course for all! 17:48 < neuro_sys> agreed! 17:48 -!- SnarkRube [[email protected]] has joined ##asm 17:48 < vulture-> I havent seen recent human speakable programming languages but they used to be really bad looking 17:48 < elspru> 'd rather say that graphs are "huge abstractions" however to make it speakable simply have to use                 case-grammar words like to, of, be, 17:49 < ThFabba> <vulture-> I more simply think that basic computer science (specifically algorithmic thinking) should be a                  required course for all! << it doesn't? What kind of weird school are you at? 17:49 < vulture-> as a side note, I've been actively working on graphical programming languages, which I think also have                   similar problems :D 17:49 < vulture-> ThFabba :( 17:49 < ThFabba> s/doesn't/isn't/ 17:49 < elspru> I agree with algorithmic thinking education being beneficial for people 17:49 < neuro_sys> it should start in elementary year 17:49 < ThFabba> Uh 17:49 < vulture-> haha