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MHA 424 spoilers

Those new leaks were literally fucking perfect,like??? Not just for shipping (I'll get to that) but just for a conclusion of the series.

Simple ending?

(First of all,I personally wanted Hori to kinda send the kids back to school,y'know,to see how they'd be after the fact how this war really changed their mindsets,but to also give them so time to just be a class. Those kids deserve to be kids just for a little bit).

To me this just proves even more so how Hori loves and enjoys his characters,he loves the world he's built for them,I think he wants to explore this further,and all the power to him! I know we want stories that are mind blowing every step of the way,but that's just not realistic and that's not really fun.

Hori,in my opinion,has made a heartbreaking and inspiring story,but I appreciate that he can dile it back a notch. I appreciate stories that can just roll with the simplicity. I feel people have this negative connotation of simplicity,that simple is automatically bad,which isn't true in the slightest.

I am a big fan of deep and meaningful stories,but I think one of the deepest turns you can take is to simplicity. These kids have been fighting non-stop and have been experiencing tragedy after tragedy,I want to see them recover. I want to see them comfort one another.

Let's not forget Hori has given us plot twits,death,war,grief...so if MHA goes back to how it was in the beginning,by being a little more simple,then I'm in full support for that.

(Just making this argument before the dudebros start talking shit! As for Shigaraki and AFO's ending,and the war,I've already done a pretty long analysis for those two,so I kinda see no point in repeating something since my feelings on it haven't changed)

The gay ending???

ALRIGHT. Let's get to the shipping portion of this post.

(Izuku trying to reassure him is so fucking sweet,oh my fucking God, he's like, "Oh,Kacchan don't cry everything's okay :D" whilst trying not to cry himself,and Izuku being shocked to see him cry? Like,bitch,this man has cried to you like two times before this,but at the same time he's never openly sobbed I guess)

Guys,we're going to get the quirkless hand hold. GUYS,WE'RE GOING TO GET THE QUIRKLESS HAND HOLD.

And Katsuki being vulnerable with Izuku once again? Honestly this whole chapter hasn't been some dkbk/bkdk crumbs,it's been a full-course dinner.

Now let's get to the most important part...

THIS. This is so telling of the future in a sense.

Katsuki and Izuku being brought together by All Might's words once again,which Hori fucking HINTED at,

Something tells me he was super excited to do this whole scene. With All Might,once again,bringing these two together,it makes me think of Togachako,especially with Ochako at the end here.

If Ochako is the one holding her stomach at the end,then we can assume that's where Toga stabbed her and she's thinking of her,while dkbk/bkdk are having their moment. This is extremely important.

I've said Izuku is kinda like Togachako's All Might,and I stand by that. Throughout this series,Ochako has been growing to become a hero,her own hero. And,Izuku has been one of her biggest inspirations,so much so,she feel in love with him. But,as things change,and Izuku has grown away from her,she's grown away from him.

What I'm saying is: Ochako has fallen out of love with Izuku. I've said this a million times,but I cannot stress it enough. Izuku has brought Ochako and Toga together though,that's for sure.

I mean,if we really take a look at their recent romantic moments,who has Ochako been thinking of?

and the rooftop scene?

people please stop trying to make this about Izuku. This is about Ochako finally realizing what kind of hero she wants to be,and that's why she falls out of love with Izuku.

Ochako wanted to save the heroes (Izuku) but in the process she found out she wants to save the villains (Toga). This is her story of becoming a hero,and falling out of love with Izuku. Izuku brought them together,their shared feelings for him made them realize their feelings for each other. Sound familiar?

Izuku's and Katsuki's shared feelings for All Might caused their feelings for each other to bloom,then their conflicting ideals made it to where they couldn't be together. Sound familiar?

(And let's not forget they had two fights,each one of them.)

And,Katsuki said something this chapter that made me think: "Oh,Togachako vibes!"

Remember when Ochako says she wants to give Toga her blood for the rest of her life?

Or the lyrics in the mha season 2 ending theme about Izuku's feelings for Kacchan?

Dudes,these mfs just wanna be together.

Those are just some of my thoughts one the ending,dkbk/bkdk,Togachako,and all that. I'm super fucking excited for the rest of this series though!

Let's not forget the: "I wanna stay with you for the rest of our lives" panels.

Bones,who once heavily pushed Izuku/Ochako,seems to had a change of heart after the director heard the ending.

then we got all of this after the fact.

(very small examples of them giving them special treatment/focus)

And they've taken scenes,that in the past they would have tried to make more romantic,less romantic and making them feel even more platonic. The rooftop scene for existence,

when we compare this to say Katsuki and Izuku's rooftop scene,(which has the sunset and everything)

the two are way closer. Little details like that are just VERY interesting to me.

(not to mention then putting a whole ass bkdk AMV in the last episode)

(They did a whole article on dkbk/bkdk,and tgchk/chktg was just on a top ten best ships list)

Just not from Izuku to Ochako and vice versa.

So,Ochako is talking about suppressing these feelings in the context of Toga and smiles.

And we know Ochako thinks Toga's smile is the cutest. She loves Toga's real smile. That's part of the reason she wanted to have a talk with Toga in the first place; because Toga had a fake smile. But,here's Ochako,giving her fake smile because she can't see her favourite. Because she's grieving. Why did Toga cry/fake smile? Because she lost twice. They're grieving the same way.

eating the same. Suppressing their feelings of grief/love the same. Guys,she's acting like Toga unconsciously. Something we've established to be romantic and part of Toga's love language. This is all confirmation of her romantic feelings of Toga. Y'know,if this All wasn't enough:

(there's more just don't wanna use too many)

We have more. More evidence to how Ochako feels for Toga. Now,obviously,where does Izuku come in to this? He actually fits into this perfectly. What was something that made Ochako and Toga similar in the beginning? Their shared feelings for Izuku. But,Toga already confessed and got rejected.

That wasn't just Toga's feelings being rejected; they were Ochako's as well. And this only further proved that Izuku doesn't have romantic feelings for Ochako. In this context of romance,he doesn't once think of Ochako. I feel this is where you would want to foreshadow this,but when Izuku thinks of romance he doesn't think of Ochako. He literally confirms that he himself understands Toga's love language. If he does,then we have to consider all the times he did the whole 'being like them' for Kacchan.

(Small examples per usual,there's just too fucking much) and Katsuki does this for Izuku. Some obvious ones would be; his body moved on its own,saving to win,or hurting himself to win. So,this comes around full circle,right? Well,here's where things start to get a little more interesting. Ochako and Izuku do have things in common. The two biggest ones right now? Locking their feelings away and not being able to save their villains. But,that second one is very,very different for them individually. I think it's obvious to why it is,but I'll just say;their feelings for their villains were different and their reasons for wanting to save them were also very different.

So what about locking their feelings away? Well,Izuku has black whip. Which is all about suppressing and controlling his heart. But we've not seen anything hinting at black whip in a while...right? We've actually got some pretty big visuals in THIS chapter alone.

At the end right after Ochako speaks of 'locking these feelings away' Izuku shows up using OFA. It's the first time we've seen him use it in the epilogue,and it's when we're talking about shutting feelings away and out. Where does black whip come from? OFA. The other isn't in the official translations,but I feel it's still worth mentioning.

The ending care is Izuku using black whip. It has been for a couple months now. Why was Izuku using black whip in this scene? It's right after he sees Kacchan's corpse. When he controls his heart. We're leading to what I think is not only the conclusion for Toga's character and Ochako's feelings,but also some answers to how Izuku feels.

We don't know how he feels about anything,really. How does Izuku feel about Shigaraki's death? How does Izuku feel about seeing his childhood friend's dead body? How does Izuku feel about his childhood friend's apology? How does Izuku feel about his childhood friend?

I think this next chapter might answer these very important questions. Will this lead to a confession? Perhaps it will be Ochako confessing her feelings about Toga. Perhaps it will be Izuku confessing his feelings about Kacchan. Perhaps both. Maybe neither. But these are just my thoughts.

But,hey,maybe we won't get any cannon relationships. And that is FINE. Obviously. But I feel there's just too much build up for both of these ships just to ignore all that's happened between them.

I personally think the next chapter will be about them grieving for their shared villains. Nothing more nothing less. Though a part of me can't help but notice all these signs and parallels,so of course a part of me also thinks we're getting the dkbk/bkdk and (sad) tgchk/chktg ending.

But as a Toga and tgchk/chktg fan,I feel we're not hyping this whole scene nearly enough (and the fight that leads to it)

This is probably going to be one of my last long posts. Since,as much as I love making posts about dkbk/bkdk and tgchk/chktg,I want to really enjoy these last few chapters because I love this series so much,and I kinda wanna just sit back and enjoy it. So I probably won't make an analysis about any of the chapters until the very end. Unless something SUPER shocking happens. But,besides that,I'll probably not say too much about the chapters until the very end.

This is kinda a 'master post' if you will. I'll just be going over everything and kinda giving my last word on a lot of it until the series is over (unless something shocking happens)

One last time:

Real quick,I wanted to talk about this one last time.

Horikoshi is doing what he wants. He's ending this series how he wants.

And I know MHA ending in five chapters can be seen as distressing for dkbk/bkdk and tgchk/chktg shippers. Well,in my opinion tgchk/chktg is already cannon,but I'll talk about that one soon. But,does dkbk/bkdk still has some things to tie up for their relationship to be cannon?

And I feel Hori is going to end this the right way for his characters. I make predictions and analyze these characters and his story,but no matter what I say or think,it doesn't make me right or that I know more about Horikoshi's charters than he does,because I DON'T. I'm just saying what I think,because I love his characters and his story,and I love seeing queer coding,even if it's not on purpose.

Queer on purpose,on accident,or baiting?

First of all,the baiting is often an argument from antis when they don't know how to explain an objectively romantic moment. So they can say that Horikoshi is trying to get the bag by using their popularity as a queer couple with the fandom.

This validates their feelings on them being straight and or Horikoshi being an awful writer. Which reminds me to bring up the fact that antis often say that it's only the West that ships queer people,that the West as an issue with being pro LGBTQ while other countries are 'normal' about these things. But the opposite is true when it comes to dkbk/bkdk in the West.

(it's number two in America,which with EraserMic being number one makes sense when it comes with the whole "toxic/abusive" interpretation the antis and a lot of the fandom in the West has)

(Real quick,I hate when people use the term 'queer baiting',especially when they aren't queer themselves. But it also makes it even more difficult for people to queer code and write queer stories,because we have to remember some people are scared of backlash or their boss/company may not allow them to make their characters canonically and outwardly queer. So blame companies. Not the artists/writers)

But obviously,I don't believe this is baiting for that reason for the same reason I feel this isn't on accident.

Horikoshi had to go out of his way to do what he's done with Katsuki and Izuku's relationship. Of course,I understand why people would argue they're platonic,mainly because there's nothing explicitly saying it's romantic. Well,this is true! Though I feel this is extremely hinted,and the relationship that really makes me believe this is obvious and soon will be explicit is tgchk/chktg,because it's,well,explicitly romantic.

Toga is explicitly bisexual. She's explicitly in love with Izuku as well as Ochako. And Ochako explicitly returns her feelings by not rejecting her like Izuku has.

This scene was said in a romantic context,with a romantic setting,with explicit romantic feelings. This scene is romantic. I'm not saying this is a ship moment,because this is a CANNON romance. I can understand when people will say it isn't, shippers and none shippers alike will argue this isn't cannon enough. That because Ochako didn't say; "I love you,too," so it can't be cannon. Right? But,Ochako said something that was in Toga's love language. So in my mind? Tgchk/chktg is cannon. Maybe not in a relationship,but their feelings are 100% are and they parallel dkbk/bkdk heavily.

Does this make dkbk/bkdk cannon as well? Well,I'm going to back track for a moment.

Horikoshi has gone out of his way for Katsuki and Izuku's relationship

As I mentioned; dkbk/bkdk is seen as toxic and abusive,especially in the West,but it's actually a lot less seen like this because of their development throughout the series. But,we're forgetting that obviously Hori has gotten massive backlash for this,and we're forgetting that at the time he was going out of his way even MORE so to show how Izuku and Katsuki's relationship was...unique. Remember this interesting thing Hori said when asked a pretty Kiribaku question?

He decided to speak of Izuku and Katsuki instead,even though dkbk/bkdk was seen as the abusive and toxic relationship,and Kiribaku was seen as the one that made sense. The healthy alternative romantic queer relationship for Katsuki (as for Izuku it was Todoroki,in a queer sense) but,this whole ARC is extremely dkbk/bkdk core,I mean this is what got me shipping it for REAL. Before I just liked their dynamic,but I never thought of it actually being romantic at all in cannon. Then this whole kidnapping arc happened,and this is where Hori decided to say: "hey,they're extremely important to each other," to a point to where it was extremely suspicious.

This scene will never not be crazy to me. Kirishima,an emotionally intelligent character,sees this is effecting Izuku more than him,right after claiming to be Katsuki's best pal. Isn't that a little interesting? How Horikoshi is drawing a line between Izuku's feelings for Katsuki and Katsuki's friends feeling a for him. They're different. Hori very earlier,very deliberately,set Izuku's feelings for Katsuki apart for his feelings for everyone else,and people's feelings for Katsuki. Even Iida points this out as well.

He's basically accusing Izuku for caring for Katsuki a greater deal compared to others,for holding Katsuki above other people. Isn't that strange? How they call out several times that Izuku's feelings for Katsuki are DIFFERENT? Different...how? This happens even more throughout the series,one of the biggest being with Monoma,

Before this he was mocking Izuku's friends/teammates,and Izuku didn't respond,as soon as Monoma brings up Bakugou,Izuku immediately reminds himself Monoma is just trying to get a rise out of him. Isn't it interesting that he only considered this seriously after he brought up Katsuki? Because he knew this would actually upset him. And he doesn't get angry until he mocks Katsuki.

Hori didn't have to do this. But he did. Like all the times Izuku's said; 'Kacchan and the others',or how he's given Izuku moments where he thinks of Katsuki specially ,or the many times people have targeted Katsuki because of Izuku's feelings for him,

and the same for Katsuki,

(This are just a couple examples because there's just WAY too much to put into this post,and I don't wanna stay on this topic forever)

My main point about this is: Horikoshi didn't have to do all of this if it was strictly for baiting or if it was strictly platonic. Just for some very small examples; it's extremely obvious there is more than just a friendship happening here. Another thing that backs up my point about Horikoshi not baiting or doing this on accident is his assistant(s),the very obvious fact he's aware about his queer fan base,and how he's already made queer characters,

What he's doing is very obviously seen as queer,even by the antis. It's not because Horikoshi is baiting,it's not because Horikoshi is clueless,and it's not because Horikoshi wants to make them 'very good friends'. It's kinda too late now,isn't?

As I've pointed out (again very small examples) there is a very fine line between Izuku's feelings for Katsuki and his feelings for his friends,vice versa. I feel I've said this a million times,so I'm not going to beat these to death,because it's just fucking obvious. And I haven't even covered Black Whip yet! The gay quirk! Or Dk vs Kacchan part 2 yet! I WANT to,but I don't feel I need to repeat that too much,only certain aspects of their fight.

Bones' change of heart?

Something extremely interesting to me is the fact bones has been pushing dkbk/bkdk,very purposely and obviously changing scenes to giving Katsuki and Izuku's relationship more attention. The weirdest part of this is they FUCKED up a lot of the moments in the last season with trying to push Izuchako so heavily. The thing that interests me the most about these changes and special attention they've been giving to Katsuki and Izuku is the fact the director started these changes after Horikoshi told him the ending.

(Small examples YET again)

And this scene very purposely parallels this scene,

Which again; this is a romantic context and them paralleling this scene when he's thinking of Katsuki getting hurt WHILE USING BLACK WHIP is very telling to what they're trying to say. So I'll cover black whip pretty quickly.

It's a quirk that was triggered by Izuku's feelings for Katsuki. More of so feelings he's seen as negative,since their tied to anger,and possessiveness,so he's very ashamed of this and trying to hide the fact it exits and happens.

He's lying to himself. Then he lies to All Might and Katsuki about it. He wasn't meant to get this quirk when he did,but he tells All Might and Katsuki differently,so they don't question him. Like,when Katsuki asks Izuku about a trigger? He doesn't say anything about Monoma,he just denies there even being one. And obviously Katsuki triggers this over and over again,this once again showcasing the special feelings Izuku had for Katsuki and how Horikoshi deliberately does this as much as he can. He goes out of his way to show this,many,many,many times. The same with Katsuki for Izuku.

And the anime is doing this,and I think it's by Horikoshi's request. Since all of these changes are happening after the director was told the ending by Horikoshi.

So...is it cannon?

So considering all of this,again this is just some of the things about Katsuki and Izuku's relationship,is dkbk/bkdk cannon?

Yes. And no.

Obviously,if one of them was a girl,this would OBVIOUSLY been universally cannon,but one of them are not. So,in my mind,there's just too much in their relationship that isn't necessary for them to be friends. And the lack of development with Izuchako,and the love confession between tgchk/chktg,izuchako is just not happening. Especially with the new chapter.

They're further apart from each other than ever,and Ochako has stated she's fallen out of love with Izuku. Not her exact wording,but she did say that she fell in love,not that she was currently in love,then she reciprocated Toga's feelings.

So,in a technical sense tgchk/chktg is cannon.

Is dkbk/bkdk then?

That's very HARD to answer for so many reasons. Since I would argue they're very much not platonic,mainly because of how outwardly Horikoshi has made their feelings for one another. And what kind of shipper would I be if I didn't mention THIS scene.

Katsuki basically just made a love confession,didn't he? BUT,unlike with tgchk/chktg,Izuku doesn't respond to how Katsuki feels and he doesn't say anything to reciprocate this-

oh...

So,basically,to kinda review:

Tgchk/chktg is cannon because they reciprocate each others feelings in a romantic context,and dkbk/bkdk parallels them. And dkbk/bkdk have been shown to have very special and deep feelings for one another that they don't seem to have for any of their friends and have been pointed out by other people to be different from their feelings for others,specifically on Izuku's end. And Katsuki's confession was actually a reciprocation of Izuku's feelings. So,they have mutual feelings that go beyond friendship,have been called out for said feelings several times,and even say themselves they feel differently for each other.

I'd say it's pretty fucking cannon.

Of COURSE,I feel it still needs to be said,mainly so Izuku and Katsuki can heal after the war after their feelings for each other being exploited by villains for their feelings for one another. And we can't forget Izuku's issue with his own feelings for Katsuki,since with black whip,Katsuki being his symbol of victory,and villains targeting said symbol because of his feelings. I feel they need to talk this out,then perhaps even have an actual confession scene.