Welcome to part 3/3 of my response to Death Battle. This part will focus on my providing my own analysis of the match-up, and my conclusion at the very end of it. If you watched the whole episode, you’ll know that this absolutely required its own dedicated part just to focus on. For the sake of a fair analysis, this will operate on the same standards that Death Battle themselves operate, rather than my usual methods (assuming you’ve seen it prior).

You can find part 1 here, and part 2 here.

This is probably the absolute hardest Mario vs. Sonic MU to decide on. Both sides have so many options, it’s dizzying, and any side could pull out a win from just unveiling one of their strongest weapons at the right time.

In fact, these instant win weapons are so numerous on both sides, that it turns the strength advantage, usually a major factor in any fight, into merely another number on the list of victory conditions. As such, while I will still provide my own strength calculations, I’ll primarily be focused on each of these trump cards, and what options the opposing army has in stopping them – alongside how both combatants could leverage these trump cards.

Let’s first list out the actual trump cards both sides have, just to make things clear:

Bowser:

Castle Bowser – can warp reality on a universal level, given enough time to charge up.

Dream Stone – can erase people from existence, and if broken its pieces can be consumed for Dreamy Bowser, which empowers him based on how many dreams he can absorb – potentially a raw power option if it can absorb enough dreams.

Fury Bowser – can mind control and corrupt others while he’s active in the form, alongside sending people to another world, and lastly invulnerability negation. Requires Bowser Jr.’s paint brush.

Star Rod – can grant wishes and is on par with the Star Spirits, who created the Dream Depot.

Painting (King Boo) – sealing. Anyone who gets trapped in this cannot escape.

Several ghosts – operating under King Boo, their release can destabilise the dimension.

Mind control.

Power Stars & Grand Stars – raw power.

Pure Hearts – raw power (but even more), invulnerability negation.

Eggman:

Metal Virus – transmutes any organic member infected by it into a metal zombie.

Finalised Phantom Ruby Prototype – can create tangible illusions (effectively reality warping) that only affect those the user wants to affect, alongside inverting gravity, creating an infinite army, and banishing others to Null Space (which blocks dimensional travel) – has 4 copies.

Phantom Ruby (original) – the same as above, except it provides its own power source. All Phantom Rubies can only be used by those with enough willpower, which amongst Eggman’s army includes Eggman himself, Infinite, Metal Sonic, and the Hardboiled Heavies.

Modified Phantom Ruby Prototype – can modify memories alongside the above’s effects, designed to alter the planet’s memories – has 2 copies. Can create infinitely sized areas via his Egg Fields, and thus has infinite range.

The Chaos Emeralds – just… so many things. Including raw power.

Mind Control Cannon – mind control.

Jewelled Sceptre – raw power (again).

Reverie – turns dreams into reality (aka real reality warping).

Sol Emeralds – they’re like the Chaos Emeralds.

Cyber Space (Sage) – can trap people within, separating their bodies and soul, and even (slowly) corrupt anyone who tries to save them. Even if they can escape, they’ll be left involuntarily intangible.

Time Eater – space-time erasure (and by proxy, existence erasure), raw power (yet again).

Supreme – raw power (constant showings of raw power).

Now all of these tools should – in theory – be able to instantly end the battle, or at bare minimum instantly remove the opposing side’s standard army, leaving it to just the main 2 to duke it out. However, a vast majority of these trump cards has at least 1 method of dealing with them, usually multiple. These are all of the checks and counters to those trump cards mentioned above (if you’re familiar with competitive Pokemon, those terms should be familiar to you – a check is anything that can prevent an opposing tool from working once it’s actively on the field, while a counter is either outright immunity or can be brought on after the fact to counteract it).

Bowser’s checks & counters:

Transmutation magic (Bowser, Kamek) – can counter the Metal Virus, and can check the Phantom Rubies, Jewelled Sceptre, Reverie, Mind Control Cannon, and Time Eater. Cannot counter the Chaos Emeralds, as the latter are not only able to undo their own transmutation, but still work even while transmutated.

Reality warping (Castle Bowser, Bowser to a lesser extent) – checks the Phantom Rubies’ own reality warping; Jewelled Sceptre, Reverie, the Time Eater, and Supreme. Counters the Mind Control Cannon.

Item theft (Kamek) – checks the Phantom Rubies, Jewelled Sceptre, Reverie, and Time Eater. Because of the presence of both the Chaos Emeralds and Sol Emeralds, attempting to steal either of them without knowing how to control them will destabilise the universe, and Eggman’s knowledge on this fact will prompt him to leave the universe immediately while Bowser’s side dies, letting him gain a technical win. Phantom Rubies will not work for Eggman’s side when stolen. Some of Eggman’s items can check his trump cards.

Power nullification (Kamek) – can check everything except the Metal Virus and Sage, especially the Chaos Emeralds and Sol Emeralds. While both can be restored by positive emotions, Eggman has never done so himself, and likely can’t due to his poor genuine leadership skills combined with his immense ego; leaving Sage as the only positive bond he has in this fight. Counters the Mind Control Cannon, as it does not function without Hyper-Go-On.

Illusions (King Boo, maybe Kamek) – since the Phantom Rubies are all illusion-based, counteracting the illusions should be a functional check to them.

Bowser’s computer brain (Bowser) – yeah his computer brain. It can restore his memories, allowing Bowser (albeit only Bowser) to counter the memory altering effects of the Modified Phantom Ruby Prototype.

Minion Spirit – makes Bowser’s army immune to mind control from sheer loyalty, if they’re devoted enough. Should also apply to Bowser himself, and is thus a check to both the Metal Virus and the Mind Control Cannon.

Existence erasure (Dream Stone) – is a soft check to everything Eggman can bring out, albeit it’s possible for Eggman to send Metal Sonic, or a Replica of Metal Sonic or Shadow into White Space to search for and restore whatever has been erased, if Eggman’s forces can stall for long enough.

Data immersion (King Boo) – is a very soft counter to Sage, by virtue of being the only individual who can directly deal with her when she’s not piloting Supreme. Cannot check Supreme directly, as Sage was unable to hack any of the Titans and could only pilot Supreme because it had no pilot.

Invulnerability negation (the Pure Hearts) – can negate invulnerability granted by the Chaos/Sol Emeralds.

Raw Power & restoration (the Pure Hearts) – can counter Eggman’s strongest weapons by virtue of equivalent power and counteracting space-time erasure (assuming finite values).

Eggman’s checks & counters:

That weird illusion/selective reality manipulation (the Phantom Rubies) – can check Castle Bowser (and Bowser’s reality manipulation), the Dream Stone, and Fury Bowser.

Reality warping (Reverie) – can check Castle Bowser, the Dream Stone, Fury Bowser, and the Star Rod.

Memory Manipulation – can check everything that doesn’t come from Bowser himself, and even remove some of Bowser’s own checks and counters such as Minion Spirit or his allies.

Dimensional travel (Chaos Control, Sage, potentially the Phantom Rubies) – can counter anyone being removed from the battlefield by Fury Bowser.

Item theft (Forcejewels) – can unreliably check the Wonder Flowers, Dream Stone, Star Rod, Power Stars, Grand Stars, and Pure Hearts. Some of Bowser’s items can check other items of his.

Mind Control Cannon – can unreliably check King Boo’s painting sealing, by forcing King Boo to undo the effect. Not guaranteed to work, given the potential of true minion spirit, but given there is no indication King Boo is particularly loyal it should be more likely to work than not. Even if Eggman is taken out, Sage can use the mind control cannon on King Boo to undo it.

Sage – given she’s not a physical entity and is really on the EggNet, she should be able to ignore Kamek’s mind control and send Eggman out of range to command his troops from afar, or take direct control of Eggman’s army – a check.

Neo Metal Sonic – his bio-data copying means that he can become immune to any check/counter that comes from an innate ability of any of the Koopa Troop, which can potentially counter many of Bowser’s own checks and counters.

Damage transfer (rings) – checks Bowser’s Power Stars, Grand Stars, and Pure Hearts, as they allowed base Sonic to survive hits from The End, a being more powerful than even Solaris and Time Eater.

Shield (Sage) – is able to block hits from even The End, serving as a check to the Power Stars and even Pure Hearts.

Raw power (Chaos Emeralds, Jewelled Sceptre, Sol Emeralds, Time Eater, Supreme) counters Bowser’s Power Stars and the Pure Hearts (assuming peak values).

That’s a lot, isn’t it? But if you noticed, everything has at least 1 check or 1 counter to it, no matter how unreliable that check/counter actually is.

Some highlights include:

The Chaos/Sol Emeralds are only checked by Kamek and the Dream Stone, and attempting to steal them will in fact force a tie from the resulting destruction and destabilisation.

Kamek alone checks so many of Eggman’s trump cards that he’ll end up becoming a priority target as the battle goes on.

Metal Sonic, if he’s not shut down by Kamek, can continue to copy more and more of Bowser’s powers based off of the bio-data of him and his army, which means that with enough time he can gain a majority of the checks and counters that Bowser’s army has, and gain immunity from them as a result (albeit that likely came too late for it to influence the result of the Death Battle).

Sage, due to being part of the EggNet/Cyerbspace, can only be checked by the Dream Stone and King Boo, meaning she’ll become a top priority to deal with by the end of the battle. Piloting Supreme ironically makes her more vulnerable, given that if Supreme is destroyed while she’s piloting it she’ll die too.

Bowser’s computer brain is the only true method Bowser has to deal with the modified Phantom Ruby’s memory manipulation, and he’ll need to get rid of it as soon as possible if he doesn’t want his allies turning against him.

Supreme is the most dangerous of the raw power weapons on Eggman’s army, as it came in pre-charged and doesn’t need continued use of the Chaos Emeralds unless it were to get its power drained, and is invulnerable to conventional damage.

Altogether, the sheer volume of weapons plus the fact that every single one of them has the potential to be stopped in its tracks with the right set up means that ultimately this duel is going to come down to a quick draw – who can pull off a broken win condition first. Which, of course, means that stats is the next most important factor to bring up.

And I’ll be bringing out stats twice for each side, a calculated finite value, and their absolute peak.

Power:

Bowser (base):

Finite: 2.28012318407×10^108 Foe – Can defeat Culex, who claimed – after gaining a 3rd dimensional form – to be capable of destroying all of time and space. Assuming this would destroy the entire universe at every single moment in time down to the Planck time, and assuming the universe is as old as ours from Big Bang to present, this is the value required to destroy the universe. Mario (and by proxy Bowser) has gotten stronger since then.

Peak: Infinite – could defeat Culex, who claimed to be capable of destroying all of time and space.

Power Stars & Grand Stars:

Finite: 8.05115087719×10^50 Foe – 284 Power Stars/Grand Stars, with one possessing enough power to destroy the universe. Likely lower, as Power Stars are weaker than Grand Stars.

Peak: Infinite – unspecified boost from every single Power Star and Grand Star.

Pure Hearts

Finite: 2.28012318407×10^108 Foe – their amp allowed Bowser to defeat foes amplified by the Chaos Heart – which is strong enough to destroy the entire space-time of a universe (same as the Culex finite feat). Much higher to an unquantifiable degree, as every universe should bring back a roughly equivalent value.

Peak: Infinite multiverse – could threaten the entire Mario multiverse.

Eggman (base mechs):

Finite: 1.4125×10^48 Foe – can fight with Sonic, who while weakened could defeat the Erazor Djinn empowered by half of the World of the Arabian Nights, which should be comparable to a universe given it resembles Earth and has stars. Sonic has gotten stronger since then, and Eggman constantly upgrades his machines to match.

Peak: Infinite/2 – the World of the Arabian Nights includes an infinitely sized location, which should make the whole universe infinite in size.

Chaos Emeralds:

Finite: 2.28012318407×10^108 Foe – Solaris could destroy the entire space-time of a universe (same as the finite Culex feat). Much higher to an unquantifiable degree, as every universe should bring back a roughly equivalent value.

Peak: Infinite 4th dimensional multiverse – Solaris could threaten the entire Sonic multiverse (Maginaryworld is explicitly confirmed to be 4th dimensional, and when the (weaker) Paradox Prism shattered Sonic’s prime universe into the Shatterverse, it was divided into multiple universe sized spaces with separate space-times and ended with restoring the original universe within the Shatterverse, suggesting that a universe is a higher dimensional construct housing one or more 3rd dimensional spaces within).

Now that was power, and as you can see who’s stronger depends on whether we’re using finite values or infinite values (Bowser handily taking the advantage in the prior category, Eggman taking the advantage in the latter). But as I said before, raw power is not important in this fight, and merely a bullet point on the list of ways they could win.

The real important stat is speed, and well...

Speed:

Bowser:

Finite: 24,450,000,000,000,000 C (24.45 quadrillion times the speed of light) – Mario flew to the trial galaxies – located at the edge of the universe with a launch star (and back with a Power Star), and can react at these speeds (as evidenced by landing on his feet and picking up star bits on the way) – given this happens before Mario rescues Peach from Bowser, each trip should take no more than 6 hours to make, but I’ll be generous and claim it took 1 minute.

I know Death Battle claimed this trip took 3 seconds, but there’s a loading screen both to and from the Trial Galaxies, and when the loading screen ends Mario is already back at the observatory – and the trip to the galaxy features a menu while Mario is flying at high speeds (as evidenced by the moving speed lines), which doesn’t have any time limit to the player selecting the Star, making the true time frame hard to accurately verify.

Peak: 24,450,000,000,000,000 C (24.45 quadrillion times the speed of light) – Mario flew to the trial galaxies – located at the edge of the universe with a launch star (and back with a Power Star), and can react at these speeds (as evidenced by landing on his feet and picking up star bits on the way).

Eggman:

Finite: 48,900,000,000,000,000 C (48.9 quadrillion times the speed of light) – Time Eater erased the entire universe in seconds. Even though we see Shadow sent to White Space in the time it took to raise his hands, and Sonic’s chilli dog landed back in his hand instead of landing on the ground after he defeated the Time Eater, I’ll be strict and assume a 30 second time span. Eggman was piloting the Time Eater, and Classic Sonic and Shadow could each react to this feat happening to them, so by all accounts this should scale to Eggman’s reaction time (and the reaction time of his post-Generations machines). In addition, later in Frontiers base Sonic could react to the Titans, who are themselves empowered by the Chaos Emeralds.

Peak: Immeasurable – regularly battles Sonic, who could restore areas erased from time by the Time Eater with his raw speed.

… Oh. Even with being generous towards Bowser, and strict towards Eggman, Eggman still ended up faster. You could argue that I could be even more generous towards Bowser, or even more strict towards Eggman – and that’s true – however, the opposite is true as well.

If we treat both these feats as generously as possible Eggman’s speed feat should still be extremely close to Bowser’s, enough to have little relevance, while if we treat both of them as strictly as possible Mario’s half-universal trip has a lot more potential time to cross than Sonic’s chilli dog flight.

All of this, of course, while ignoring the fact that Shadow Generations just provided a better speed feat than before with no ambiguity, showing Time Eater erasing the universe in 12 seconds – and no loading screen, so the timeframe is exact. This likely wouldn’t be added into the voiceover, but would absolutely make it into the analysis & black boxes given information from Mario & Luigi: Brotherhood made it in.

And that’s just talking about the finite values, once we delve into their hypothetical peaks that speed advantage just gets exaggerated, and Eggman just speed blitzes Bowser’s entire army and wins for free.

If we exclusively discuss in terms of finite values then Bowser’s strong enough to one shot anything that isn’t a Super tier in base, but only his Pure Hearts form is strong enough to contend with those Super tiers. This raw power gap would also prompt Eggman to rely on his trump cards far quicker than usual (something he already tends to go for), making an incredibly close match, but ultimately one that Eggman should come out on top for.

This in addition to Sage being able to make millions of calculations in a short time span, whose battle strategy is said by Sage herself to be on focusing on the best method of survival, and whose intelligence surpasses even Eggman’s, thanks to her AI nature and being integrated with the Ancients’ Cyber Space.

Or in other words…

Eggman wins.

Thank you for reading my 3 part response to Death Battle – or at least reading any one of my 3 parts, I hope you enjoyed this deep dive into the match-up, and I hope Death Battle going independent means that they can continue to push and evolve the show even further beyond what it’s been this last decade.

Welcome to part 2 of my 3 part response to Death Battle. This part while focus on the only major negative I had with the episode, the errors. Though I won’t focus on my feelings about the errors, merely on listing all of them out (though some opinions may come out on particularly egregious cases).

You can find part 1 here.

This list will be divided into 6 categories, 3 for Bowser and 3 for Eggman – Nitpicks, Minor Errors, and Major Errors.

A nitpick is, as the name suggests, just me nitpicking. It has no relevancy to the debate or the quality, and are only included because I’m listing every single error I notice.

A minor error is something that I do feel is an important detail, but one which ultimately has no impact on the battle.

A major error is something that’s such a significant error that I believe it has a major influence on the result (not just anything that could give an Eggman win, but also anything that can give Bowser an even greater advantage than he already has).

In addition, I will admit I am significantly more familiar with Sonic than I am with Mario, so you can expect to see more errors listed for Eggman’s side of the analysis than Bowser’s, but I will still find every error I can.

Bowser

Nitpicks:

Fake Bowser is inconsistently referred to as either his brother or a fake impostor (page 50 of 「ファミリーコンピュータ必勝道場⑦スーパーマリオブラザーズ2」; page 89 of 「スーパマリオブラザーズ2<裏ワザ大全集>」; page 65 of 「パーフェクト版 マリオキャラクター大事典」; for just a few examples of being referred to as a fake Bowser)

Paper Mario is canon, though I can tell the intent behind this line is to say that it’s the same Bowser – a factoid which is highly debated within the community thanks to Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam. Though given Death Battle’s soft composite rules, yeah even if they’re not the same Bowser I too would 100% counter Paper Bowser as valid for the compositing.

I know it’s a joke referring to Bowsette, but as far as is confirmed, only Toadette can use the Super Crown.

Dreamy Bowser didn’t try using the Dream Stone’s power to erase Mario & Luigi, despite intending to do so moments before the Dream Stone got shattered – this implies he was unable to as Dreamy Bowser.

Minor errors:

There is no calculation for Raphael’s constellation explosion.

Culex isn’t extra-dimensional…? In fact he makes it very clear that he’s a 2-dimensional being normally.

Major errors:

Their calculation on taking Mario from the edge of the universe to the Star Comet Observatory in 3 seconds is a ludicrously generous timeframe provided, given that the beginning of the trip is not seen, and has a loading screen separating the Trial Galaxies and the Star Comet Observatory that can provide an unspecified time-frame between. In fact, the fact that Lumas can also turn into Launch Stars shows that the two should be equivalent, and the Launch Stars that took Mario to the edge of the galaxy have a demonstrably longer time-span even ignoring the loading screens.

Kamek’s inability to mind control Eggman’s army is listed as a downside – despite the fact that Eggman himself is not immune, making such an ability actually a massive advantage.

One of the black boxes in the conclusion mentions that there’s arguments for incalculable speeds on Bowser’s end… But in my digging and asking, I have yet to find an actual, proper argument for incalculable speed, just claims without sources. Given that Eggman has multiple separate arguments for incalculable speeds through statements and feats, lacking such arguments puts a massive disadvantage towards Bowser’s side of things.

Doesn’t even mention 1-Ups

Eggman

Nitpicks:

While claiming Eggman was neglected based on his own recollections sounds fine on paper, it bears emphasising that Eggman’s immense ego + consistent lack of empathy makes this reading unreliable. It’s entirely plausible that Eggman merely did not appreciate his family grieving for his deceased cousin instead of focusing on him.

Eggman considered his grandfather a hero as a child, and was distraught at the notion that Gerald’s final days were planning to kill everyone (and specifically Eggman, let’s be real) – but he evidently continues to hold his grandfather in high regard afterwards.

MeteorTech is technically correct, but every single piece of dialogue in the game calls it MeteoTech, with only background details referring to it as MeteorTech.

Eggman was never seeking revenge against Shadow, and that wasn’t the reason he and Infinite even teamed up in the first place (in fact their team up was prior to Infinite even meeting Shadow).

E-102 Gamma and Chaos Gamma are separate robots (although the latter uses recycled parts of the former).

Metal Series is a term exclusively used in Archie Comics, a canon which was name dropped as a source deemed too different. Hilariously, not a single member listed in this series is even called Metal [x].

Sage wasn’t made as an assistant, she was made to hack into the Ancient’s technology and to protect Eggman.

The spacial displacement trap never backfired, its effects were merely disabled when the Eggperial City’s power ran out (Sonic the Hedgehog issue 61, IDW Comics).

Never led some beloved villains (and Zavok), he made Replicas of said beloved villains (and Zavok).

Mecha Sonic, Mecha Knuckles, Gemerl, the Deadly Six, Trip, and Mother Wisp never betrayed Eggman

Mecha Sonic and Mecha Knuckles were abandoned (Sonic the Hedgehog: Scrapnik Island)

Gemerl was reprogrammed.

The Deadly Six were enslaved.

Trip was forced to help Eggman against her will (Sonic Superstars: Fang’s Big Break).

Mother Wisp was drained of Hyper-Go-On, and then escaped.

Minor errors:

There is no calculation for the Death Egg’s Final Egg Blaster’s constellation destroying power.

Their description of the Phantom Ruby is technically accurate, but misleading – those caught under the Phantom Ruby’s control experience the illusions as reality (under the discretion of the user, as Eggman was confident the sun wouldn’t affect him despite being able to see it) – it should be a form of legitimate reality warping, but selective (and still able to be countered by counters to illusions in general).

Super Eggman/the Egg Field only requires prep time in the same way that all of Eggman’s technology requires prep time – I don’t know why it got singled out. Besides, Eggman has multiple gemstones that possess infinite energy in this match that could be used to gather up energy quickly.

That calculation they made of Solaris reaching other timelines? Yeah, that was actually it dying. They quite literally calculated the wrong scene.

The artificial Phantom Ruby (the one that requires an external power source) can quite literally make an infinite number of Replicas, each and every individual one being equally powerful to the original – this ranges from basic robots like the Egg Pawn to powerful and unique individuals such as Shadow (artificial life form), Zavok (a demon), and Chaos 0 (made out of liquid). The original Phantom Ruby can make Replicas even faster in comparison, including of Infinite himself.

Eggman’s modified prototype Phantom Ruby that affected the entire planet could also create an infinitely sized Egg Field – and manipulate that infinite space within – such a feat would require infinite range.

White Space is an area of nonexistence, where areas erased from the timeline are sent. The Time Eater is able to freely enter and leave this place, and can out-speed Sonic (whose speed can undo this erasure) even while Eggman was explicitly holding back for fun. This should be enough to counteract Dreamy Bowser’s existence erasure (since you can’t erase something from existence if it already doesn’t exist), but even if it doesn’t Eggman has plenty of mechs and Replicas, and knows where White Space is.

Sage doesn’t just send people to CyberSpace. She can separate their souls from their body and leave said soul in a digitised state that’s unable to interact with the world. And trap them in Cyber Cages where they have disturbing visions, unable to see the real world, and cannot escape from those Cyber Cages without an external member collecting memory tokens to stabilise them – and even that comes with corrupting whoever breaks the Cyber Cages. While this can be undone by defeating the source of the Corruption, in this instance that cause is Sage herself, whose body is intangible and whose consciousness resides within the EggNet and/or Cyber Space.

Null Space is explicitly closed off from all other dimensions and was considered inescapable by Eggman himself, and even blocked off communication (including by Tails, who casually built a communication device that can reach to other dimensions).

The Chaos Emeralds still function while transmutated (via reality warping, but still), and can even undo their own transmutation alongside the transmutation of the metal virus (Sonic Otherwordly Comedy, and Sonic the Hedgehog Issue 29).

Sage, being an AI, doesn’t physically exist to be sucked up by King Boo’s stolen E. Gadd tech. Even if we assume she is vulnerable regardless, she can still teleport at will, providing an easy method of avoiding the pull of such technology.

Doesn’t even mention Rings.

Major errors:

Infinite never had the original Phantom Ruby, he had the finalised prototype Eggman made.

The Egg Wizard, the multiversal mech that’s more powerful than the Chaos and Sol Emeralds combined (given their overall power should be identical to each other and Eggman references both of them in the same sentence), whose ultimate move is a planet busting attack. I don’t get why multiversal gets limited to an optional side bar when this mech’s only appearance features a very plain statement that it’s at least multiversal.

Sage never helped Sonic defeat the Titans. In fact, she used the Titans to fight against Sonic – and this directly contradicts their claim that Sage isn’t able to calculate a win condition against the Titans – not only was that attributed to The End, but Sage was also explicitly banned from making any calculations that involved teaming up with Sonic when she made such a claim, made one such calculation before being banned, and immediately came up with a second one upon being permitted to ally with Sonic.

Solaris reached alternate timelines in 20 seconds – you know, alternate timelines, the thing that’s very famously able to be reached with a finite time span. Seriously, whoever decided on that calculation, did they even notice the logical flaw in their statement?

And on the topic of Solaris, despite very plainly saying it reached alternate timelines they still cap out its overall power as just universal. On top of that, they argue that 260+ Power Stars and 24+ Grand Stars should be ultimately greater.

They claim the Chaos Emeralds are only universal despite also saying that Time Eater could affect the entire multiverse (and Super Sonic obviously scales to him)?

Hey, so you know Maginaryworld? A place that visibly has its own time, contains the dreams of the entire Sonic the Hedgehog multiverse, and is outright stated to be a 4th dimensional space (this is from a licensed magazine published by SoftBank, a known partner of SEGA, and supports that 4th Dimension Space’s name is not a name fallacy)? Yeah, didn’t even get a passing mention in this episode (apart from Void, who was only mentioned in a black box without mentioning his power).

Hoo boy, that was a lot, wasn’t it? Just from my own views, that results in a total of 42 errors – 14 nitpicks, 15 minor errors, and 13 major errors.

As I hopefully made clear in part 1, this isn’t me declaring their research egregious – a big part of the high volume of errors comes from the fact that there’s quite a lot of information to present, digest, and discuss – and I’m sure there’s more information that wasn’t even brought up because it just wasn’t relevant to the debate, given just how big and complex it was.

Still though, if I have so many issues with the analysis, enough to make a list of 40 errors, shouldn’t I say who I believe wins and why?

No, but I will anyways.