Everytime i listen the part in Lie that says "smooth like a like a snake" all i can hear is Hobi saying

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Everytime i listen the part in Lie that says "smooth like a like a snake" all i can hear is Hobi saying

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the overgrown lie is trying to swallow me
Hi! What do you think is the significance of the umbrella/Jimin? It's being mentioned again. We recently saw it again in bbc live for Boy With Luv. We saw it before when he received an umbrella in exchange at the magic shop, and when Hoseok took the girl to hospital.
CW: contains mentions of trauma, blood, & drowning
Hello dear anon and thank you for your question! I will do my best to explain my interpretation and also provide a little more context for those who may be less familiar with the references you made.
Iām guessing that when you say itās being āmentioned again,ā youāre referring to the new third story of the Smeraldo Blog posted on July 15th, in which the florist Testesso witnesses a young man with an umbrella standing outside his unfinished shop during a typhoon. (If that wasnāt what you meant, please let me know!) The identity of the young man is unconfirmed, but plausible options include JiMin, due to the umbrella connection, and SeokJin, who is the only character so far who has definitely interacted with the florist in previous timelines. (Side note: if anyone would like to learn more about the contents of the Smeraldo Blog and the different versions of the stories, this post is a wonderful resource and is currently being updated for the 2020 revisions.) Second, I admit that due to the time difference I was unable to watch BangBangCon Live, so I had to search for some footage of the Boy With Luv performance. It looks like they all dance with umbrellas, though itās perhaps a little striking that TaeHyung tosses his umbrella to JiMin at the beginning of the song. Regardless of the young manās identity in the Smeraldo post and whether the BWL umbrella prop is a coincidence or a loose reference to BU (it certainly wouldnāt be the first time they incorporated such elements in their live shows and VCRs!), yes, JiMinās connection to the umbrella is significant.
As you mentioned, in the Fake Love Teaser 1 we see JiMin exchange a photo of the arboretum for an umbrella in the videoās imagining of the Magic Shop. According to the teaser, āāMagic Shop is a psychodramatic technique that exchanges fear for a positive attitude.ā Psychodrama is a form of psychotherapy that engages clientsā self-reflections and insights with dramatizations and role-playing. Some Googling reveals that the real Magic Shop technique is broader than what is defined in the teaser, but it suffices for our purposes right now in considering BU.
JiMinās fear is rooted in the truth of what happened in Grass Flower Arboretum on the day of his school picnic in Year 11. There are two forces that led him to witness/experience this traumatic event in the arboretum warehouse: first, the absence of his parents because they āwere too busy to make it.ā The mothers of JiMinās friends praise him for being āmature and gentle.ā JiMin seems determined to live up to this impression of maturity, rather than revealing how ādownā he felt as the only unaccompanied student. So rather than waiting for his teacher, he sets off for home alone, confident that he can find the way on his own. The second force that leads him to the warehouse is the weatherās turn to rain. It is this element in particular, rather than the neglect of his parents, that stays with him for years to come.
āI began to run, holding my backpack over my head with both hands. The rain kept falling harder and harder. My pants got soaked in the rain after only a few steps. No shop, house, or bus stop came into sight. In the far distance, I could see a gate. I ran towards it without thinking. My hands felt numb from gripping the backpack. I was soaking wet, and my teeth were chattering. On top of the gate was a sign that read Grass Flower Arboretum. It was the back gate. There was a small warehouse just inside the gate.ā
ā JiMin, 6 April Year 11. The Notes 1.
Young JiMin does not have an umbrella and is forced to seek shelter at the first opportunity, which happens to be the warehouse. Later, he is found unconscious at the arboretum and taken to the hospital. When JiMin reflects on this in the May 11 Year 22 entry of Notes 1, he adds that his parents ādidnāt ask any questionsā about that or when he eventually developed seizures. There are many āwhat ifsā surrounding the event of April 6 Year 11. What if JiMinās parents had accompanied him to the picnic? What if they had paid more attention and provided him an umbrella? What if they had been more present in his life, so that he did not feel the need to mask the disappointment of their absence from his peers and attempt the journey home alone?
But they didnāt, and they werenātāand young JiMin sets off without an umbrella that day and lives with the consequences. We essentially experience the absence of the umbrella in some of the water imagery connected with JiMin in the MVs. The rest is connected with drowning and cleansing, both literally and metaphorically. As I note in my post Harboring Waters, āthroughout the MVs and the Notes, we see that water, the element he uses to cleanse himself, is also the visual metaphor for his trauma. JiMin attempts to wash away his past rather than acknowledging his pain, only to drown again when his memories resurface.ā In the years following the incident, he also conflates blood and mud: blood from what he witnessed/experienced in the warehouse and mud from the rain and his lack of umbrella.
āI closed my eyes and wished that this was all a dream and that, when I awoke again, I wouldnāt be able to recall anything.
That wish was just a wish. Instead, a cycle of seizures, injections, and injection-induced sleep that felt like falling off a cliff continued. After I awoke from that sleep, my whole body felt like it was covered with mud. Mud that looked like blood. No matter how hard I tried to wash it off, that warehouse smell lingered. I scrubbed until I bled, but it still felt dirty.ā
ā JiMin, 11 May Year 22. The Notes 1.
Even though JiMin presumably follows through with his plan on May 19 Year 22 of returning to the arboretum to face his fear (accompanied by YoonGi), he is still vulnerable to the triggers that recall the trauma of his past. On July 4 Year 22, JiMin collides with his dancing partner (HoSeokās friend) and both are injured. The sight of his own blood nearly shuts him down as he desperately tries to wash it off. This leads to the scene you referenced, which is depicted in the Highlight Reel: JiMin chases after HoSeok and the unconscious girl with an umbrella but soon stops and turns around, realizing he wonāt be of any help.
āEvery time I took a step, rain splattered onto my sneakers. The headlights of cars swished by me. Itād rained on that picnic day a long time ago, just like today. On that day, Iād run away from the Grass Flower Arboretum. My body was covered with mud that looked like blood. I hadnāt grown up one bit from that little eight-year-old kid.ā
ā JiMin, 4 July Year 22. The Notes 1.
Now, back to the Magic Shop. JiMin exchanges a photograph representing the source of his fear for an object of protection that might bring him a more āpositive attitude.ā I think it is worth noting that all of the objects the characters receive from the masked seller are far from representations of lasting joy, and I believe that this was carefully calculated. They are temporary fixes or reassurances in much the same way that SeokJinās manipulations of the timelines are largely reactive and short-sighted in his efforts to save his friends. An umbrella is only a temporary shelter until the stormy weather has passed; it does not banish the storm itself.
As I have mentioned in my recent JiMin-focused posts, his journey of healing is portrayed, realistically, as a complex one. It is not as simple as facing oneās fears and carrying an umbrella. There are progressions and setbacks, twists and turns on a road that might never truly end. Sometimes the umbrella may shield him from the storm, and sometimes it wonāt. When that umbrella takes the shape of friends who accept and love him for who he is, then perhaps they will help guide him one step closer to accepting and loving himself.
Iāll end with one of SeokJinās narrated quotes in the Highlight Reel, as it feels appropriate and is quite lovely:
āThough many seasons pass, there are places that cannot be reached. Yet another storm to be faced and to be weathered head-on. Loving without fear, hesitating and parting, merely living as the person I am.ā
ā SeokJin, Love Yourself Highlight Reel 'čµ·ęæč½ēµ'
I hope that gave you some food for thought and wasnāt too long-winded! To anyone with their own ideas and interpretations, I would love to hear them! Please feel free to send them my way along with any other questions or feedback. ā”
āOnce again I put on a mask and go to see you.ā
-The Truth Untold
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Do you think the songs lie and stigma are related ? If we read the lyrics translation wow it seems like that to me like they have so many similarities! it seems like jimin is talking about him being hurt by someone and stigma is about v talking about someone he's hurting but he's hurt too at the same time. They both wrote their own song. Also it could be about their sexuality. Jimin said on the vlive comeback show it's about conflicts dues to lies and temptation and pt1
pt2 v didn't said what he was about but the title and the lyrics are quite something. Also in that period they were very close he could be about jimin cheering up v because of his lost but something else too at the same time. Can you do a analysis about those songs and what you think of if you want and have the time?
I mean I suspect they could be connected in some form, especially since so many of their other songs seem to be. And as you say the lyrics seem to match and almost be responses to each other even. The two songs were one of the first things I noticed in regards to Vmin that went beyond just shipping them and finding them cute. Both of them also seemed quite private when talking about the songs and I definitely think there is a lot hidden underneath the lyrics they havenāt explained. Itās just difficult to know what, even if we can speculate.
Maybe youāve missed it, but I have actually written about Stigma and Lie two times before. In my very first (and quite outdated) song analysis Vmin - The Sun, the Moon & The whole universe back in 2017 I talked about the songs briefly. Both how they could possibly match and also how they seemed to fit with possibly being about the struggle of being LGBT+. This was way before we learned about the Jungian theories that BTS are using and even their concept of Fake Love and Love Yourself. Both themes also fit well for Stigma and Lie and the songs could be interpreted as how the boys felt showing their personas were like lying.
Then I talked about it again later and more properly in my post Vmin - Scenery, Promise and song connections. In it I go through all Vmin songs up until Scenery and Promise and how they could possibly show several types of connections between Vminās songs. Spoiler, but there are a lot!
Even back in 2017 I felt it was possible that Vminās songs were about each other in different ways. And since then it just seems to get more and more likely for every song they make. Especially for Tae, and this time for āFriendsā I was even able to predict a few of the themes in the song because they love to use them so much.
But while we have a lot now, we did not back then, and I am still not sure Lie and Stigma are related. But here is a little piece about Lie and Stigma specifically from my first post about it:
First, there is āLieā in which Jimin begs for someone to save him.
Whatever it takes, save me, meSave the me whoās being punished
Then there is Stigma, which has possibly matching lyrics. Where Taehyung speaks of another person being punished in his stead, or because of him.
Deeper, itās just the heart that hurts every day(You) who was punished in my stead,You who were only delicate and fragile
There is also this line:
Even if (I try to) hide it, or conceal it, it canāt be erased.
Which of course also matches Jimin being caught in a lie, as they both have to pretend and hide what they really feel. Here they both hate the situation they are in, and Taehyung goes as far as to apologize for it. He also mentions being called a sinner. Both of the songs can easily be seen as reflecting the hardships of not being straight. Especially considering that Taehyungās song is called āStigmaā.
So yes, even then I saw it as a possibility and of course I still do now, even more so now becuse itās not just two songs anymore.
Because then it just kept on coming, and when Singularity and Serendipity seemed to match I also wroteĀ Taehyung and Jimin - Yin and Yang which focused on their portrayals in the HER and TEAR albums.
And of course with Scenary and Promise I kind of made a more updated full version where I went through all their songs and other relevant connections between Vminās song up until then.
After that because the connections have (in my opinion) gotten bigger and more obvious I have added on posts about Winter Bear and Friends specifically as well. So you can probably tell that song analysis is basically one of the things I have written the most about on this blog, and for good reason. There are a lot of interesting things to find about Vmin in regards to their songs.
I am considering making an updated version with the main points for all the songs, but maybe long posts isnāt that good? Iām feeling people donāt like it when there is too much text... So maybe itās better if I make one analysis per song? But then people kind of miss the scale of it all, because to me itās the amount of connections between all songs that makes them being on purpose more likely.
I could also go into analysing BTS songs and concepts in general because a lot of them fit together with stuff from Vminās songs as well, like the theme of temptation. For example with Jimin basically showing theĀ āFall of manā as he sings aboutĀ āsmooth like a snakeā in Lie and has been shown giving in to temptation and eating the apple of knowledge in both the short film for Lie as well as in Blood Sweat and Tears Japanese version.
Yoongi literally tries to protect and blind Jimin to shield him from temptation, but Jimin is stuck and tied to the door through which Tae went, which indicates Tae could be a form of temptation in the form of the fallen angel or Icarus wings.
We even have a small hint that the temptation could be the love of a man, as seen in Jin kissing the statue that represents Tae. But of course these things arenāt limited to only Vmin.
Anyways, this is getting out of hand.... So Iāll stop here.
There are many speculations I could make and maybe I should do a post specifically about Lie and Stigma, but for now since there are so many topics to cover Iāll probably focus on other things first.
I hope you enjoyed reading and sorry for not making more of an analysis now even though it is an interesting topic. I am saving your second ask to remind myself I didnāt answer all of it... Sorry!
Thanks for the ask! And if any of you are curious about my analysis you can always check out my BTSandVMIN: Masterpost to see if there is something that sounds interesting.Ā
Listen to this awesome song by BTS Jimin āLieā.
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Free me from this hell
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I fell in love with this song the moment I heard it. It sounded beautiful yet twisted with the lyrics, and it conveyed the pain and inner demons that he faced at that point in his life. He seems to be in a better place right now but Iād still like to draw this as a tribute to his efforts in sharing his pain with us as well as writing this song and performing it. Thank you, Jimin. Youāre an amazing performer and person as well, and Iāll never regret the day I started stanning you. š
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