Hey I just read the messages that made us and I would love to culminate how much I absolutely love this fic I love the mutism representation as well as the fact that virgil uses dnd to cope that is fucking amazing and just g see usnskksbdjeksjhdhsh it makes me so fucking happy and I absolutely love it all and I loved how Patton just acedently calling people out becuse as someone who is in love with phycology I feel that and I won't even don it on purpose and it's all just so amazing and I love it and logan is just so amazing and totally feel not understanding how people talk 100% of the time And oh my God Patton needs to give Roman so manny hugs and ill help and again for like the 3rd I just can not get over how fucking amazing it is thank you for writing this and I hope that you can find the inspiration to continue it and if not then that's ok and I'm happy you've wrote this much becuse as someone with attention issues I could never
!! Thank you so much!! I know I’m late responding to this one, I’ve kinda been holding on to it because its just been giving me good vibes in these trying times rn. The Messages That Made Us series holds a special place in my heart as the first real Sanders Sides fic I wrote and everytime I see someone enjoying it, I just... I fall a little bit in love with y’all. I wasn’t sure how the chat fic format would fly with my readers but you guys seem to have taken it in stride.Â
((That being said, I’m not sure I could ever do a fic like that again. I’ve already had so much trouble with this sequel.))
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Hi! Black Hole Group Chat is one of my favorite fics ever (and I have read a lot)! I was wondering if you had any tips for writing group chat fics? Have a good day!
Aw Thank you! BHGC was and is one of my favorite things to have ever written!
I do have a couple tips about writing using this format that I’ve picked up from writing this, reading comments on bhgc, and from reading other things like it but I’ll put them under a keep reading tab because they turned out longer than I though they would!
1. Decide before you start the story if you’re going to write everything in the chat format or if you are going to write out some of the scenes. In bhgc i stuck to just the chat format even when there were things I could have described more (the call in the second chapter? the call in the fourth? or the start of the ninth?) This distinction is important because it influences how the plot can be revealed. I could have very easily switched to Prose when Logan and Patton ran into each other in chapter seven to keep the focus on Logan, but instead I chose to focus on the chat where Virgil and Roman worked together and bonded a bit. I continually put together a story where I made a deliberate choice not to use prose so that by the climax my readers were accustomed to being able to read the actions and infliction of the words without needing detailed descriptions.
2. Figure out the reason why the group uses the chat. This is important because it helps develop the characters and their relationships with each other as well as how they interact. In my personal experience group chats built just for a single project in a class die after the project unless the participants learn something that bonds them together. In bhgc, Virgil’s muteness is his main reason to keep texting where as Logan’s anonymity is his reason to use the chat, even after he figures out who the other boys are.
3. Remember that people have lives outside of their phones. This is important in the frame of telling a story (as long as telling a story is the goal and its not just crack for fun)! People aren’t always on their phones! Things happen around them that influence them!! And they aren’t always going to read the the messages at the same time. This further helps you personalize your characters and makes them feel more real. (like in chapter two how Virgil and Logan have a whole conversation without Patton or Roman because the other two have decent sleep schedules. Or how in chapter five Patton misplaces his phone.) You can also weaponize this as I did in chapter eight when Patton and Logan were having their calm subdued conversation right before its revealed that Virgil and Roman are in the middle of a very emotionally charged one.
4. Foreshadow your backstories. Okay, 90% of the time when you are first getting to know someone, you aren’t going to tell them all your trauma and problems. You know that one John Mulaney quote, “I shall pepper in the fact that I’m gay”? Do that. Pepper in the idea that your characters have quirks and triggers without out right saying it. Did you notice in Bhgc that when Roman makes death jokes and Virgil and Patton both get tense and terse about it? How about the fact that Patton chose to study Psychology because he was trying to figure out why his mother always chose drugs over him? The entire book is made of conversation, and yet there is not a single thing said that is not important to the characters development-- not even the jokes.Â
5. Everyone talks differently. have you ever been in a group chat with someone who uses a crap ton of emojis? Or maybe someone who still uses “XD” and “:)”? These are all things that are personal to each of us For the best writing experience, I would give each character a writing quirk that is all theirs so that without needing to read the usernames, readers can infer who’s speaking and how theyre feeling. In bhgc, Logan uses full sentences with punctuation and proper grammar-- which means that when he starts using clipped sentences, the readers know he’s getting emotional. Patton generally tries to uplift the conversation, regardless of whats going on. Virgil’s messages are designed to be dismissive or snarky. And Roman is the “leader” so he uses the most “I” centered messages and changes the subject when he doesn’t necessary want to talk about it anymore. Even Dee, for the short time that he’s there, copies Patton speech, but integrates subtle verbal attacks on the others every times he speaks.
Obviously these aren’t absolute for these characters-- I created these systems based on my understanding of the cannon characters and how I wanted it to reflect their backstory (Logan’s stiff wording and grammar alludes to the control nature of his parents and Virgil’s dismissive one’s suggest that he’s used to not being noticed unless he’s doing something wrong and Dee’s verbal attacks are a look directly into his motivations.)
So! That’s what I have overall there are a few more tricks that I’ve picked up: like decide on a plot, but don’t be afraid to deviate from it (as I l learned from when the Hot guy from the coffee shop became Logan, lol), and things that aren’t said can be just as important as those that are (Logan not apologizing to Roman and his constant attempts to leave the chat), but those are also lessons that I think are best taught when you figure them out yourself! The best advice I can give is read and write.Â
Whatever story you are telling, someone out there is waiting to read it :D
9 (for all fics) and 25 and 26 (for the mafia au fic)? Also I love your writing!
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9. Do you prefer to write AUs, canon divergence, or canon compliant fics?
I live and breathe AUs. Like its not even funny. I don’t think I can write a canon compliant fic. I wrote a quick one shot about Janus being Self Preservation and the splitting of the mindscape one time but thats the closest I ever got to something like that. There’s just something so satisfying about being about to write parallels between canon and an alternate reality, especially when it leads to the characters saying phrases that are iconic in the fandom. For example, in The Black Hole Group Chat:
Princey: [Anything is more terrifying than the Chupacabra]
Cat_feelings: [Like what?]
Anxi_Tea: [Rejection?]
Princey: [Unrequited Love?]
[What exactly is at the bottom of the ocean?]<
Anxi_Tea: [A fish]
[Just one?]<
Anxi_Tea: [yes]
 I think this little bit shows that these characters, while having been condensed to text messages, are still the characters that Thomas Sanders created at their cores. They just have a couple different quirks. Which is part of the fun of writing AUs! (at least for me!)
25. Which idea came to you first in [my Mafia au]?
Ironically, I started that one so long ago I’m not sure what the first idea I had was. I do know that it was only supposed to be three parts to start with, and I didn’t decide who the murderer was until part way through that third chapter when I realized it wasn’t going to be a small thing. I think that Roman was supposed to be a Sanders and Patton was just going to be Virgil’s ride-or-die best friend (and like he is but....). Also Everything with Logan was not planned until Dee’s introduction and Remus wasn’t a thing until I needed someone to team up with. My writing style is constantly adapting and changing the plot so its hard to keep track of previous plans in favor of the new one :D
26. Which part of [my Mafia au] was the hardest to write?Â
Imma be real honest: the first part. For those of you who may have never scene my mafia au, its a bullet point fic. Which is totally unorthodox for me, but thats because I had first started writing it as prose (my usual style). I spent three days banging my head on the table because no matter what I did I couldn’t get the emotion/flow/style/whatever right. At some point I was complaining to @jungle321jungle and @dragonsarecats and one of them told me just to make an outline first and and all of a sudden it was like....EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED. So yeah, starting the story was really hard. After that, the hardest part was probably the Breakfast with Dee scenes straight into everything to do with Logan and Remus.Â
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Hi! I just wanted to say that I just read “The Black Hope Group Chat” and I absolutely ADORE IT! Honestly it was great I loved the platonic relationship dynamics and the plot progress in text form it was so so great!
Aww!! Thank you so much!! I’m glad you enjoyed it so much!! It was a pleasure to write and I’m so happy with how it turned out! I just wanted the boys supporting each other through whatever and helping each other overcome their personal challenges.
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