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Honestly I'd rather he stays healthy and happy and prepared for his solo debut . He's been through a lot these past years both from what we do and don't see on camera, and getting to do what he loves with fans who support him whole heartedly would be the biggest clapback to these delusional fans and a fresh start for lee heeseung.

Honestly the sexualization and the dada-fication part pissed me off like ITS EVERYWHERE I GO please guys its April time to wrap it upppp, delulu IS CLEARLY not the solulu and at the end of the day these are just rich, attractive, employed men who do not know you and are not entitled to do as you please whenever you like.

WE HAVE BIGGER THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT THAN A RANDOM POP STAR LEAVING HIS GROUP.

how much has your own ego and refusal to accept the possible notion that heeseung knew what he was doing when he left willingly, and therefore made a decision which he has analysed and evaluated with his own brain, prevented you from turning off the anon button before you ask questions like these ?

how long have you stopped to think that the slightest mention of heeseung by the rest of the members would lead to bombardment and misinterpretation by fans which could create even more pressure upon the boys to not to break ?

how long have you stopped to think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, everything is actually okay and that basing your assumptions off of inadequate information ( which doesn't seem to be getting provided to us seeing as how BE:LIFT had to reinstate their decision ) will not help ?

how much more evidence would you need that heeseung has left WILLINGLY and ON GOOD TERMS, while keeping in mind that you are just a fan who will not be physically present in all of the decisions that a company as big as HYBE or BE:LIFT makes ?

BUT HEESEUNG IS LEAVING

these protests don't have to end in him being reinstated but rather just a simple unscripted, unadulterated statement or live from the members. yes, that's asking for a lot from the k-pop industry but it shouldn't be. that's the point of protesting.

yes, there aren't any indications of heeseung not wanting this, however there are also no explicit ones of him wanting this either, the more than 50% ai generated letter does not count. all we want are words from heeseung and the members. if it's his decision why would he stay silent for so long, why would the company block him from saying something if he was 100% on the same boat as them?

you can argue that it's hard for them to say anything and they need time to process but belift is already making them do fancalls? is that not a sign of how inhumane they are as a company? why would you blindly trust them?

even from a business standpoint, this would only cause losses for enhypen and is a horrible way to launch heeseung’s solo career. if the decision was made after months of planning, why waste time making so much content and preparing so many schedules in which heeseung is included?

let me start off by saying that i do not trust HYBE, there have been repeated instances of wrongdoings done by them, but the company executives there have more business acumen than i do, and have been working in the industry for longer than we have been fans.

So with your first question :

but what if we never get a full statement?

technically we did get a full statement the first day the news of his departure was announced , no matter how 'forced' anybody tries to paint it, which stated that Heeseung will be departing the group and that ENHYPEN will be continuing as 6 as well as their respective reasons for doing so. Thats about as full as a statement can get and if you feel otherwise, i would like you to tell me what should a statement of this sort consist to make it feel more full.

why can't they give us the slightest bit of closure?

we as fans aren't owed anything but the music they make and the content they give us. Kpop idols should never have to explain the reasoning of what they choose to do, which in this case is leaving a group to pursue a solo career completely on their own - we saw that with TOP , with Woojin, and now with heeseung too. Its the parasocialism that makes most fans think they are owed and entitled to anything and everything about their idols , with these same fans chanting 'IDOLS ARE HUMANS TOO' which is quite hypocritical in itself

mark from nct had a farewell when he initially graduated from nct dream.

I am not all too familiar with NCT but can the structural procedures of ENHYPEN be compared to that of NCT DREAM ? was there ever a moment where anybody felt that these two groups were the same ? personally, no, because SM and BE:LIFT manages groups differently. NCT dream is a subunit of NCT and ENHYPEN is a whole group. which makes all the more sense that the way their respective companies will manage them in glaringly different ways.

these protests don't have to end in him being reinstated but rather just a simple unscripted, unadulterated statement or live from the members....all we want are words from heeseung and the members. if it's his decision why would he stay silent for so long, why would the company block him from saying something if he was 100% on the same boat as them?...you can argue that it's hard for them to say anything and they need time to process but belift is already making them do fancalls?

lets imagine that situation actually happens - that another statement is released or the members go live.

Do you not think that no matter how 'unscripted' or 'vulnerable' or 'unadulterated' the content is, the fans would try and make it seem to be something else that clearly doesn't exist ? That a member not smiling could be interpreted as ' they're clearly disturbed/overworked/mistreated and that they're tired of BE:LIFT' and a member smiling could be interpreted as 'they clearly don't care about engenes and they're all ready for ot6 enhypen and they've always disliked heeseung' and heeseung himself not saying anything could be interpreted as 'he clearly isn't happy with this decision omg belift sucks let's all kill bang sihyuk?'

Do you also not think that heeseung is also aware about the nature of his fans, that he's been advised to not add anything to the matter with all good reason. Am i to believe that if he came out and clarified that this is his own decision and that he was NOT forced, the other fans would not try and make a mountain out of a mole hill and analyze every other thing in his statement to round it down to 'yep he was forced and he's just saying this to calm us down'

And sure it may be quite cruel to have the members do the fancalls, do you not think it is also cruel to bombard the members with all sorts of questions about heeseung ? And what's to say that whatever they may have said or done on those fancalls, they were all very much aware of this decision and that they're putting on a good act.

It is understandable that you want clarity, in fact lots of fans do with their favourite groups and IK many engenes want that from belift.

Oh ur not the only one seeing that I fear.

obviously we don't know everything going on behind the scenes and obviously there will be some desperate fans spreading misinformation to garner hope. it's not parasocial to want to keep a group you've invested so much time and money in together.

i really don't see how any of the things we're doing is hurting heeseung or enhypen in any way? we're not boycotting anything, in fact the streams increased by 2 million something?

of course, it could have been heeseung's decision and if so, everyone is ready to 100% support him. but atm, with the way members aren't allowed to even speak his name, with the way everything is suddenly cancelled, though belift expressed that this has been 'thoroughly discussed', it does not seem likely. it seems rn as if the company gave him an ultimatum and we shouldn't have to accept that.

even the enoclock episodes that the members worked hard to produce are just never going to be released again? this just proves how sudden this was for everyone, not just engenes.

so please just wake up. hybe has never been known to support it's artists. it dosen't hurt to sign a petition but when you say such demotivating things, you're actively swerving public opinion.

i'll try to make this answer reasonably understandable.

when you said 'it seems rn as if the company gave him an ultimatum' for a decision that he made, i don't think any of us fans were in the room where this happened. No fan was physically present when this discussion may have taken place weeks, months or even years ago!

Some things that may seem sudden to us fans, would always been thoroughly planned by company executives. So in my opinion, despite the millions of protests and petitions engenes make, BE:LIFT lab will go forth with creating new music and a new image for an ENHYPEN with 6 members. Its not pleasant to hear, and maybe i might be wrong seeing the traction of the petition, but it seems to be the current reality.

And for the en-o-clock episodes, it isn't as if the departure of heeseung signals the end of all en-o-clock episodes, it simply means time to make newer ones with all 6 members. Because now, the company will have to create a new normal for engenes to get used to.

And yes the circumstances all seem fishy ( to me they don't ) and yes HYBE has never been one for protecting its artists and working on its statements , but this situation is not a 'surprise' to everybody and anybody involved.

About the members not being able to speak hee's name or come on live, there is massive PR training involved to not tarnish the group and his name any further. You may claim that this decision was sudden to the members as well, but again this decision probably took months of thorough planning and evaluation - they are very well aware of the uproar and they all know not to say anything out of line - no matter what engenes want.

Once again, i would like to tell you that i have woken up - these are men who I will never know , or who will never know us, personally. Yes they may talk about us and wanting to stay with us forever like the happy found family trope that kpop wants to press onto fans like us, but at the end of the day it is a business. PURELY.