#anti-jonathan

Also in season 2 the fact that he is going to these awkward dinners with Barbs parents is a HELL of an ask for anyone. And yet it is established in the dialogue that he has been going with her consistently!

Like yes he wasn't equipped at that point in time to help Nancy with what she was going through. But that's because the girl needed therapy, not a trauma bonded sweater thief >_< (Sorry I still haven't recovered from the fact that Jonathan was honestly even a shittier boyfriend than I realized and yet people are STILL arguing that THAT is the good relationship... seriously what are we even doing here)

As someone who has spent time with the parents of a childhood friend who tragically passed away, that is something really, REALLY hard to do no matter how much you know it means to them and I will tell you right now it would have meant everything to have someone who would show up for me like that, even if they weren't sure what to do. Steve was putting in the work while Jonathan was AWOL (Again its IN the dialogue) and yet we are supposed to be hating on Steve because the situation is just WAY too big for the two of them???

To which I can only say... huh?

(They were also claiming that this has been confirmed by the Duffers but honestly who even knows)

But regardless, let's actually look at this claim because either

A. You are wrong because that isn't what the actual dialog says, it very clearly says YOUR Sweater which make Jonathan a shit boyfriend who gives away her clothes because he doesn't like the color. Or...

B. Let's say that this is right and the Duffers are having to clarify (offscreen) that Jonathan is not a Sweater thief... that means that to clear Jonathan's name ((because god forbid he be held accountable for any of his bad behavior or dumb hottakes)) you are having to admit that the writing is objectively now bad and confusing, that J*ncy can't even have an honest and open conversation about if they like the gifts they get each other, and that Nancy is so checked out of the relationship that she either doesn't know or doesn't care that she is getting her boyfriend of 3+ years something he will actively hate...

I dont think that's the win you think it is people.

Ok, I got it. I solved the mystery.

Spoilers (And parody) ahead

That I remind myself about how much insanely good Stancy fic I am getting to read that explores all the great themes of loss and recovery and burnout and choosing to grow past trauma that the show clearly didn't want to put the effort into in the final season

That I take comfort in the fact that the ending is so stupidly open ended that pretty much anything can be canon

That I tell myself that the ending was so insanely dumb and pointless that it fortunately doesn't taint as much of the rest of the show that I loved as it could have done (Not completely there are a few characters that I struggle with more post s5 than I did previously. ::cough Jonathan cough Hopper cough::)

I was never fully on the Jonathan is a creep train, because I assumed that the reason for that awkward as hell storyline was going to ultimately play out into his actual character growth... eventually... and his truly problematic ability to not trust or connect with people that would ultimately get ADDRESS and lead to GROWTH...

But alas I guess I ask for the moon >_<

Instead because it did all lead nowhere and he had pretty much 0 accountability for any of his actions other than his relationship that he was also miserable in which ended in a way that he was happy about (And again I don't hate having a mutual break up, I support that decision)

We just handwaved away all of his problems. He was actually totally fine the whole time.

Not addressing his unhealthy world views and cynicism, his problematic parentification and how it has stunted his growth, his inability to communicate with others...

Nah. Doesn't Matter.

By suddenly having it at the end be like- actually no he is totally fine and cool and stuff, honestly Nancy was dragging him down. It takes him from being a character I sympathize with and want to see him get his journey and his growth and support, into a character that is just honestly pretty mean spirited and selfish but we aren't supposed to call him on it because he is poor and has trauma? So is Max and you don't see her throwing away Lucas' basketball. (I will never be over how messed up the whole sweater thing is if you actually think about it for more than 5 seconds. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was high at the time which is a pretty low bar)

It is the same problem that happened with Ted Mosby in How I Met Your Mother, where the only reason it worked is because the actor is charming and you genuinely believe that it is all part of a bigger narrative message that will get paid off- and the clear message and story is right there so of course that is what is gonna happen. But the lack of payoff makes all of the previous actions suddenly take on a new context because the narrative is telling us- yeah actually non of that stuff is bad. No need to change anything.

Absolutely not.

I mean, could they pull a How I Met Your Mother and say we are going to throw all of our character growth and confirmation about their ACTUAL incompatibility out the window? I mean they COULD. If they decide they hate their own story structure, messaging and metaphors and that nothing that they said in their 'un-proposal' break up actually matters.

But I don't think it is happening. I think the fact that Nancy has been wearing EXCLUSIVELY Pink based outfits through season 5 in time for Jonathan to make his Sweater theft confession (among others) is just one example of them telling us that J*ncy is toast.

(Also no offence to the costuming department but I really found Nancy's pink sweaters this season to be really unflattering compared to her other outfits we have seen (including her many pink ones) but now that I know her favorite one was stolen by Jonathan and he probably was telling her that she didn't need a new one (instead of just admitting he hates pink or I don't know getting over it because its not like HE has to wear it) I fully headcanon that Nancy purposely went out and got the most obnoxious Pink sweaters she could find just to be passive aggressive over his dismissal of it.

WADOO!!NEWS: Group Blasts Tinubu Over Anti-Jonathan Comments

National Coordinator of the Goodluck Initiative For Transformation (GIFT 2015), Mr. Chinedu Okpalanma, has reacted to Asiwaju Bola Tinubu’s comment that President Goodluck Jonathan is incompetent and unfit to rule the country.

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