#anti jonjay

Jon's age is above 10-12

Jay Nakamura character appreciation

"But Jon has grown into an amazing character after the age up"

Treating Jon like being bisexuality and his relationships is are only things that's interesting about him.

Damian wayne is better off without the supersons dynamic

This kinda long. And I ranted. A lot. About aged up Jon. Sorry 乁⁠(⁠ ⁠⁰͡⁠ ⁠Ĺ̯⁠ ⁠⁰͡⁠ ⁠)⁠ ⁠ㄏ

Hmmm, when I fist learned about Jay's existence, I really didn't have an opinion about him as a character. I was just mostly angry to DC for aging up Jon out of nowhere.

Then I keep seeing people hating on Jay and I wondered if they are correct or just exaggerating. So, I read Superman: Son of Kal-El. And... it was a disappointment to say the least. Jon didn't feel like Jon. It didn't feel like the Jonathan Kent we know and love, who is very protective of his loved ones, who can get angry a lot, who is spiteful and not afraid of picking fights, who is as much the son of Lois Lane as he is the son of Clark Kent.

Writers just pushed him into the Superman title and it was very rushed and not climaxing.

(But I loved the part in the fist issue where Jon finds Damian by the sound of his heart and that just melted me.)

Then we got introduced Jay Nakamura who apparently goes to do same college as Jon?

Ummm.... For the love of God, how the fuck Jon is going to college?????? He didn't even finish the elementary school. Was he supposed to have education in a fucking volcano????? Make it make sense.

And then there is a school shooting and he is busted in the first 5 minutes he arrived at the college. Then we never head from it ever again, so what was the point of it?????

This thing happen and it would be a really good scene if he wasn't aged up, and he was trying to control his power while growing up. Like, imagine the potential.

As for Jon's relationship with Jay, it was rushed, it didn't have any chemistry, Jon felt OOC, it wasn't filled out before taking into the romantic part. Jay was obviously created just to be Jon's love interest. They knew each other for a short while and didn't have much friendship. I really don't like ships like that.

For me a good ship, starts with a good and long period of friendship (like Jon and Damian. It is one the reasons I love Jondami this much.). Jonjay doesn't have it.

Jay's speech about how Jon doesn't need to worry about him because he can't get hurt, felt like Jon was only with him because he needn't worry about Jay. It is like an escape for Jon. Which isn't a good relationship dynamic 😬.

And he apparently knows Damian's identity and by proximity Batman's identity. After Batman told Jon not to trust Jay, he somehow allowed this? Isnt it...like... a huge security issue?

(Then there that Lex's plan to wipe people's memories about Superman's identity and other heroes were protected from that. But what about Damian? He isn't a Titan, he isn't in the Justice League... So where was he when that happened? How does he still know their identity?)

So overall, I completely understand fandom's hate on Jay. I don't exactly hate him. But his existence is kinda annoying. And the ship Jonjay is kinda annoying. But other than that I really don't think much about him.

But I cannot find enough words to express my rage about Jon aging up.

Jon Kent was never aged up.

The NiaJayJon situation doesn't exist.

Damian and Jon are still supersons and together.

They grow up together.

Jon wants to be a scientist, not a journalist.

Tim drake never quit the Robin mantle.

WARNING: ITS MESSY AND ALL OVER THE PLACE AND FILLED WITH HOT TAKES.

It's not unusual for a company to let them come out in a very unexpected way That didn't exactly feel earned to the character, Especially if they don't know what to do with that character. I feel like they really didn't know what to do with Tim, so in order to make him more interesting, they said, here's your tokenized bisexual Robin, and then made him leave the Robin mantle Just to solve the problem of "there were two Robins so one had to go".

Tim is mischaracterized a lot, and recently, especially in DC Comics, he has been giving me the vibes of more, like, what the fans have been portraying him as in headcanons mostly, like the uwu soft boy. I'm not blaming the fans at all. I'm blaming the writers who don't know how to write Tim. Tim is going through whatever Jason Todd is going through when it comes to the types of writers that he's getting.

As soon as Tim got a boyfriend, he started acting like a soft boy. He started leaning more towards how some fans depicted him as.

Just to clear things up, I'm really happy that Tim is bisexual, and I love it, and I don't personally care who he dates (yes I do, Timkon for life) But as long as they don't bring him down when it comes to his character. I don't care when characters want to settle down and all of that, but this is Tim we're talking about.

The red robin.

The leader of young justice.

The boy who found out who Batman and Nightwing really were as a kid and made himself Robin.

You really think that after everything, after his best friend dying, after trying to revive him and clone him back obsessively, after everything that he's done, you really think he's gonna just quit the mantle?

Nah.

Not to mention, this puts Damian in a place where he feels like he HAS to be Robin.

Damian did want to quit the mantle, but for a good cause. He wanted to learn medicine and help people medically. He wanted, he still wanted to be a hero, just not Robin. And I think it would be very interesting to see where that could lead for Damian.

And Tim quit the mantle. why? Oh, for his tokenized boyfriend, of course.

I like the characterization that Bernard got. It's honestly better than Jay Nakamura, in my opinion. But I don't believe that he is gonna last, especially now that, um, Tim quit the mantle. Now we know Bernard is fucked.

But moving on, after the Jon age up, it's safe to say that DC didn't know what to do with his character. At all. Recently, Jon has been feeling, like, different, and I feel like it's because us as the viewers, we didn't see him grow. But it's just mischaracterization after mischaracterization with him. Most of us loved the SuperSons days, Mostly because we got to see Superman's literal son Growing up, experiencing how it's like to be Superman's son and the expectations that come with it. Same thing that's happening with Damien. You have two characters who are like the kids of two very important heroes, and we get to see them grow up and learn from each other with each other's support because only they know what it's like to be the children of superheroes.

Or better yet, how it's like to grow up as a gay kid who is also gonna be in the legacy of Superman or something. Even exploring how it's like to be a gay kid, we can maybe see how John copes with his crush on Damien, because let's be for real, he definitely did have a crush on him. But we've all been there as gay kids. We have all had a crush on someone as kids, or like a very close friend, even if they were straight or not. Maybe some of us got together with them. Maybe some of us didn't.

It would have been such a great opportunity to see how Jon realizes that he is LGBT and, like, how he comes to terms with his sexuality, because I know for a fact, gay kids definitely need that kind of representation.

To let them see that whatever they're experiencing is normal.

To not let them feel alienated by everyone else around them when they think they like someone else of the same gender.

But they didn't do any of that, because they don't know what to do with and Tim.

So they grew Jon up, gave him a basic-ass college life. We never got to see his trauma coping when it came to like getting stuck in that volcano on a different earth, or the fact that he got his childhood ripped away from him.

Not to mention how he has a fucking journalist job. It's so clear that the writers are aiming for him to become just like his father.

This might be a stretch, but I see the parallels when it comes to Nia, Jay, and Jon. Jay is supposed to represent Lois, Nia is supposed to represent Wonder Woman, and Jon is supposed to represent Superman.

They're aiming for this fuckass love triangle like when Wonder Woman and Superman have been a thing, and the whole situationship issues when it came to Superman, Lois, and Wonder Woman.

Jon Kent would be a scientist, and I stand by that firmly. He has a love for the stars, for the universe, for all of that. He would definitely want to know how our galaxy works. He is that bright-eyed curious boy.

Y'all remember the whole drama and shenanigans that happened when jon and tim came out as bisexual? Especially with the headlines and everything that it got, and how out of context it all was? Especially for Jon.

I think all of this was prepared in such a way to make it as big as it seems and made it into some kind of spectacle, because right now...Majority of the people that are not comic fans or something would just look at Jon and say, "oh, that's the bisexual Superman."

compared to when they looked at him before and said, "oh, that's Superman's son."

Can't it just be, "oh, that's Superman's son, who so happens to be bisexual."?

and then we can get to see who he grows up to be, maybe outside of Superman's shadow. We get to see him grow as a person instead of becoming Clark Kent 2.0.

Now what the hell is Tim gonna do? Is he just gonna sit on his ass while, I don't know, while crime is still happening? What about young justice? He could at least just say that he's going back to Young Justice, that he's maybe going to help with the Teen Titans or something. But no, he just up and quit the mantle for no reason but his boyfriend. That's literally it. And it's so strange to think about that, because Tim Drake was always someone who would go above and beyond when it came to a case or just something that he thought was right. Even when it came to cloning Kon, he didn't sit on his ass and accept the fact that kon died.

How she had to throw out all of Jon’s old baby clothes and sell his toys. How Jon never asks her questions due to his childish curiosity of the world. How he doesn’t need it. How he doesn’t need her.

Not even love, he’s trying to find affirmation and structure in someone else entirely.