ZEP: Max & Zoey -Ā Thoughts 1
Hereās my take... on some of the storylines/scenes/lines:Ā
Again.. super long post. SPOILERS up to 1x10, and possibly hints at what is coming. Hence...SPOILER WARNING.Ā
Analyzing the M/Z storylines from the perspective ofĀ āthings that fans donāt understand or like about Maxās character behaviourā. And possibly providing a different perspective to look at some of the things/behaviour...
Mentions of Z/S relationship/storylines.Ā
In the Pilot Max was encouraging Zoey to go after Simon, cause he knew sheās interested in the new guy... but that changed...at about the time she/he/they found out the guy is taken/engaged. Thatās the moment when hisĀ ābest friend modeā kicked in & tried to not let Zoey make her past mistake again with overly complicated, exhausting for everyone & not good relationship choices...
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The one & only reason I canāt be Team Simon.Ā
I cannot ever consider Team Simon for one simple reason - the writers had the character be in a relationship/engaged...when his emotional affair with Zoey started. IF he would have been single, I could talk about choosing sides/teams, but this single fact takes Simon out of the equation. No matter how good looking, cool, hot, or compatible he might be with Zoey. No matter if their relationship grows in the future... Their first moments were cheating (on Jessica), and no matter howĀ āhumanā andĀ ārealā, that is the line for me that shanāt be crossed. And the fact that the relationship ended does not change what happened before - they kissed while he was still engaged. You canāt take that back. IF the writers would have made him single..since start...I could debate which Team Iām on, but the fact he was engaged eliminates him for me. But none of their cute moments or shared grief bond... or hot dances change the simple fact that he cheated on Jessica.Ā
Sidenote: if weāre talking cast, then I'm both Team Skylar AND Team John C. Those two gents are both great AND they can both sing!
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Yes, unless Max knows something we donāt know about Zoey (that she, just like her dad, actually, secretly loves big gestures and moments) his choice for how he professed his love seems to be wrong way to declare his love for this specific lady. Because according to what we know Zoey is not into musicĀ (but then again...the use of a flash mob was a plot twist device by the writers... who just decided to use that surprise for Max/Zoey, when it couldāve been any other character... but this was simply done so that the show could mess with Zoeyās powers and give her characterĀ āoh, this isnāt in my head, this is realā moment.) But... thatās just a possible bad choice by the character, not anything horrible. And thatās the way he knows how to say it, even if a small, personal, reveal seems more Zoeys style.Ā
But... are we actually correct in assuming this? After the flashmob she never once mentioned anything about it beingĀ ātoo much of a public declaration for her tasteā. She even called it āan amazing gestureā, which tells us that while she might be uncomfortable with ābig momentsā in general (public speaking...), she is comfortable with them with people sheās closed to (her dad, her best friend...) And we saw her talk about it with Max & with Mo. Her only worry was related to him telling her, in reality (not just in her mind...via heart song) that he has feelings for her. She has not shown any worry regarding it being done viaĀ āgrand gestureā. So... is it possible that it actually isnāt soĀ ānot herā as we assume?Ā
Just as perhaps Max from 1x09 is not asĀ āpassiveā andĀ ānot interested in promotionā as Max from 1x01? Perhaps time & peer reviews, and everything else...has changed him? And heās actually interested in climbing the career ladder.,.. as opposed to the Max in the Pilot, who told Zoey that he does not want any of that...
Maybe Zoey is her fathers daughter, and actually (secretly) loves big moments & grand gestures? Because her dad is all aboutĀ ābig momentsā. And maybe itās actually really appropriate for Max to tell Zoey about his feelings this way, inĀ ābig moments/grand gestureā style flash mob? To honor her dad...in a way. Cause Mitch loves these kind of moments & Mitch is No 1 in Zoeyās life, so...Ā maybe weāre all wrong in assuming it wasĀ ānot Zoeyās styleā?Ā
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From Maxās POV this is whatās going on with Zoey/his relationship with Zoey:Ā
She ends their regular movie nights...with no explanation. Something that theyāve done...forever...since they are best friends. (He probably thinks itās because of her dadās health and that sheās focused on..that... after her promotion he even asks if her āweidnessā is because of āher dadā and/or her now being his boss)Ā
She starts acting strangely...around him, and general...and she doesnāt talk to him anymore (itās been implied that theyāre BFF and talk about everything... but she hasnāt told him whatās up with her). He wonders if itās because of her dadās health and everything related to it (but he doesnāt know if its only because of that, or if thereās something more/else, too)Ā
He has feelings for her, but he doesnāt tell her (she only finds out cause she can hear his heart songs). Finding out that her BF has deeper feelings for her freaks her out, even though he himself does not pressure her or anything like that..yet. She is the one who assumes theirĀ ādiscussionā at work is presumed asĀ ālovers quarrelā & she is the one who presumes thatĀ āis it a dateā means he considers a meal together as date...when all he means isĀ āare you free to goā (to the new place which they both wanted to go to..as friends) Up until the flash mob there is zeroĀ āpushingā from him.Ā
He only sings love songs to her when heās single - during the time heās dating someone else (Autumn) he stops singing to her, because heās not a cheater. When heās with someone, heās with that someone, and devoted to that person..only. So he stops for a while.Ā
He sees & hears her say that the thing she had for/with Simon is over (1x06) & that sheās not doing any of that anymore. Since she doesnāt talk about any of it with him, this is all he knows so he assumes she meant it, and sheās done chasing the engaged man. This is also probably the only inside info she has on the whole Z/S situation - what he sees/hears during theĀ āburnt rosesā moment. (So... it is not a nice surprise when he learns in 1x08 that after everything her words were not true, cause itās not all over/done with S...)
Why he doesnt believe her right away when she tells him of her powers: As a rational person he has a hard time believing her claims about superpowers at first. Also... it seems like such a ālieā to change the subject, and simply avoid giving him an honest answer (yes OR no) But after hearing some more facts he starts believing. And by the time she āglitchesā he has no doubt that sheās going through all this...
Both Zoey and Max are emotionally challenged. (tbh, just like Max I believed Autumn when she said that all is cool when they broke up during their morning jog. Iām emotionally challenged, too. I honestly did not know that what she said and what she thought/felt were different, so I get why it came as a surprise to him to learn she wasnāt cool about it) The whole Autumn/Max break-up tells us that Max doesnāt get the subtle clues, and needs to hear the words to know the truth. Hence he believes what Zoey tells him... at first.Ā
He misreads her signals in 1x05 - 1x06 - 1x07 (āI need more Maxā, reinstating their movie nights, touching his bicep, commenting she needs more Max in her life, checking him out when heās shirtless, etc), and based on that confesses his love for her via flashmob. What surprises him is not so much that she doesnāt respond with the same, but that she doesnāt give him an answer...at all. (Mo explained it best to Zoey...later; the boy deserved an answer... even if itās āI donāt know...yetā. Also... weāve never heard her say that she didnāt appreciate it because it was a big gesture...so she might not be as uncomfortable with the gesture as we think) Instead she runs, and then she avoids giving him an answer, kinda changing the subject, and telling him about her powers. Instead of telling him the truth right away, cause truth might hurt, but itās better than avoidance/ignoring.Ā
This is shown later in the episode, when after Zoey finally gives him her...messy & selfish answer... heās hurt, but content. She tells him that the reasons why she isnāt ready to go from friends to more is because her focus has to be on her dad for now & because sheās afraid that ātheyā wonāt work out & sheāll lose her best ftiend...for good... and she canāt risk that... at this time. This is not the answer he hoped for, but as Mo predicted...this is the answer he accepts. That can be seen in the elevator scene with Simon. Heās OK with waiting & this not being the right time (cause she needs to focus on her dad at the moment). He also doesnāt say theyāre done, he asks what she asked - pressing pause on their traditional friends activities like movie nights.Ā
During the 1x07 end elevator convo he also learns that the totally engaged man has beenĀ ākeeping tabsā on Zoey & Z/M. Which concerns him. Cause why is an engaged man looking at other women & paying attention to whom they socialize with (when his focus should only be on his fiancee)? Like Mo, he probably thinksĀ āthe guy is a playerā after this convo. And again... he, as Zoeyās friend, is not in the wrong, when he thinks he shouldĀ āprotectā her from the morally questionable guy.Ā
Then in the āvery next day basicallyā he learns that she wasnāt completely honest with him. And since she promised 100% honesty to him, heās hurt that she as his friend isnāt being honest. She sings him a love song (it is possible that she wasnāt aware of her deep feelings for him...but after this she definitely is...100%)...but then tries to take back the honesty and claim that the truth she spoke is not the truth. But what really hurts him is how herĀ āhonestyā from their last convo turns out to be a lie (and we know it is, because weāve seen Zoey tell her mom & Mo about her real feelings, not the cleaned up version she told Max at the end of 1x07) - and he voices why heās upset. Itās not because she doesnāt return his feelings, itās because she wasnāt honest with her best friend. Because through her heart songs he knows for a fact that she has feelings for him - that she loves him, too. So heās not upset that she doesnāt love him back. He even says it during their bathroom convo - the best reason to beĀ āmadā at her is that she told him she loves him/sheās his, when she didnt mean to tell him this (the truth). Meaning: she thinks itāsĀ āunfairā heās upset thatĀ āshe sang him a heart song, when she didnāt mean toā... or in other words: she thinks itās fair to keep the truth a secret from him...and this rigth after she promised 100% honesty to him... and he doesnāt agree with the secret-keeping.Ā
We saw Maxās feelings progression since Pilot: in 1x01 he THINKS heās in love with her, in 1x02 heās a SUCKER for her & by 1x07 he fully admits he LOVES her. With Zoey the timeline is..kinda... starting in 1x06... TheĀ ā500 milesā moment is herĀ āI think I love youā moment & her heart song to him in 1x08 is basically herĀ āI love youā moment.Ā
She claims she isnāt ready for a relationship because she needs to focus on her dad right now, when in reality she really is torn between two men - and she wants Max to be her emotional support and shoulder to lean on (knowing he loves her, and knowing that he knows that she knows he loves her), while she herself is pursuing another man, Simon. An engaged man sheās obsessed with cause she āfinds his body hot & has a grief bond withā. (in reality: her role has mostly been being his grief therapist - and sheās not really told him about her dad that much...so itās pretty much one-sided anyway) But just as she didnāt want to be the other woman, he doesnāt want to be the other man/third wheel... and thatās understandable.Ā
Then when Max gets the job offer he goes to his best friend for support. And while I personally read the scene as him sayingĀ āno, that was not the right answer, but it gave me mine (Iām taking the job)ā being a response to her askingĀ āwas this the right answer?ā because this meant she wasnāt still being honest with him, and instead of giving her her true answer she gave him the answer she thought he wanted to hear... I am willing to accept that what the writers meant was that he wanted her to give a more personal answer and/or ask him to stay because he is a valuable member of the team.Ā
Her reply was as his boss, and co-worker/friend. She only focused on their work relationship, not their personal friendship. Sheāll miss sitting across from him... not that sheāll miss him outside work (andĀ yes...itās only two floors up, and working in different departments does not mean they canāt hang out oustide work...)Ā but still her answer did not include her role as best friend/possible future romantic partner....even when he asked her to specify theĀ āIām Yourās Zoeyāsā answer - she only focused on the work related part when replying...to that.Ā This gave him the clarity needed - sheās not into him, so he did the right thing & put space between them. Since she didnāt include theĀ āIām Yours Zoeyā that meant to him that sheād choosen Simon...andĀ just as itās very human to grieve and cheat...it's also very human to feel hurt/heartbroken. And he should not have to subject himself to seeing her with someone else (when he knows she has feelings for both) - making the same mistakes over again sheās made before with her relationships. So his choice was the right one...for both. They need time apart, time to grow as individuals, time to reflect...Ā
Yes his speech in 1x10 was directed mostly to her, but he was adressing the whole 4th floor/Team, really. Cause no-one stood up to give him aĀ āgood luckā hug when he came to collect his things. And his best friend didnāt even have any encouraging words to him...on the day he moved to the 6th floor.... and even admitted she didnāt get to get him aĀ āgood luck giftā (which he could just assume is because sheās busy with her dad, but we know that while she had 4 days to buy that pen/mouse...and didnāt, she managed to get a plant as housewarming gift for the other man in like 4 hours. And we also know that she voiced no concerns about losing her best friend and a good team member at work...while talking to Mo... yet she had lots of things to say aboutĀ āthe man who just broke up, and whom I said I would not chase anymore, but now that heās been single for 4 seconds, we can make out and itās not cheating this time anymoreā... so sheās showing no signs of caring about his best friends life changes, while caring a lot about the other mans life changes)Ā
So of course he feels underappreciated on the 4th floor. The peer reviews, the boss, the team manager, the job offer... it all plays a part in his decision. And the D*rk Point boss knows exactly what to say...to make him feel appreciated...something he didnāt feel he got on the 6th floor... but he didnāt realize until he heard Ava point out his good work..with the maze, with the chirp pitch...and though he may not realize that Ava, too, has her own agenda, hearing that he is appreciated...as a worker & as a human...made him feel goodĀ Ā (we saw how important positive feedback is for everyone during the peer reviews plot), and he realized he didnāt get any of that, really, on the 4th floor. And once again... while he may have secretly wanted to hear her sayĀ āstayā, what he actually really wanted/needed was for her to encourage him, and show genuine happiness for him, and for her to be completely honest with him. And he didnāt feel like thatās something she could be right now. To put it in her own terms:Ā āeveryone is so nice & polite, and no one is giving me the raw & honest feedbackā...cause her reply to him when asked about the job offer wasĀ āpolishedā &Ā āniceā, notĀ āhonest & rawā. (and I think we all agree that her telling him to take itĀ & him taking it was the right move...for all... cause they both need space & to grow individually)
In the Pilot we learn that Max thinks heās not management material & heās not looking for career opportunity. So to Zoey's knowledge this is not in character for him? So whether or not heās changed during the time between then & now, to Maxās knowledge she knows that he likes being just a coder. So for her to not know him...and not remember that heās told her this, could be disappointing. So her reply: Thatās a great career opportunity MIGHT tell him that she doesnāt know him and what he wants. (this is the flashmob argument: we, fans, think that a flashmob isĀ ānot Zoeys styleā & we, fans, think that promotion isĀ ānot Maxās styleā. We might be wrong, cause we donāt know everything about the characters + they can change...over time...)
Another thing she says to him when he asks advice regarding the job offer is āI would never stop you from going after what you wantā. When they both know that what he really wants is her - heās made it clear. And yet... here she is saying sheād not stop him, when she isĀ āstopping himā from doing just that. And at the same time...as pointed out in the last part... is a promotion what Max really wants? Cause it is not the case for ā1x01 Maxā...and we & Zoey havenāt been made aware that heās changed his mind. So... does his best friend not know him? (or does she known him better...and know heās changed his POV on promotions)
Max & Zoey have been best friends & colleagues...for 5 years...since the first day on the job. From Maxās POV...something changed..suddenly...a few months ago. For a while he didnāt know why and what, but now he knows why.Ā And just like it took time for Zoey to adjust to herĀ āpowerā, same applies to Max (adjusting to her powers).Ā
From Maxās POV...his best friend is dishonest with him, she avoids him, she has changed, she comes to him when she needs him... but she herself doesnāt offer anything back (yes, he is aware sheās grieving, and he understands it, but his best friend is not letting her friends help her during the time she needs to lean on family/friends). We have rarely seen her talk to him about anything else than office gossip...or her powers related stuff...recently. And itās heavily implied they used to talk...all the time... about everything. His best friend also set him up with another woman...just to avoid him after she learned that he has feelings for her. His best friend claims her focus has to be her dad, and she canāt do more than friendship at this time, but at the same time she continues pursing another man. And this after she promised to be 100% honest with him. And she betrayes that trust theĀ āvery next dayā. So he has every right to be upset, and hurt.Ā
Zoey has every right to be upset about the fact that she thinks Max isĀ āpushing her to have feelings for himā (when they both know... for a fact..after her heart song that she does have feelings for him), but in this case Max has every right to be upset about the fact that he thinksĀ āshe is avoiding himā. She has the right to grieve, so does he. If she has the right to be upset that Simon doesnāt return her feelings... then Max has the right to be upset that she doesnāt return his feelings. The same rules have to apply to all, not just main character. And if you look at the storylines closely, youāll see the parallels... the things that Zoey is upset about (fans are upset about) regarding Simonās behaviour (when pursuing him) are the same exact things that Max is upset about regarding Zoey (his pursuit of her). The same way that some fans point out Max isĀ āobsessed with Zoeyā thereās a parallel story with Zoey isĀ āobsessed with Simonā. All Max wanted from Zoey was what Zoey wanted from Simon - clarity. For her/him to have clarity. And just as she felt the other man didnāt have it, he felt that she didnāt have it.Ā
Because we, the audience, know that Zoey (thinks she has) has feelings for both men - her behaviour in past episodes (especially 1x06 - 1x07) and her heart song confirm that she has feelings for Max, and because he knows her secret, he knows that thatās a fact. So he has every right to be upset that sheĀ ādoesnāt like him back/doesnāt want to be with himā, when he knows that she does love him back, while claiming the opposite. And she wonāt talk to him about it...Ā
From his POV it is as follows: they both have admitted they love each other. She claims she needs time to deal with her grief and canāt risk their friendship. She tells him she loves him...and the very next minute goes to another mans arms - thatās the part that upsets him. Heās not upset that sheās not returning his feelings/not wanting to date him, nope. Heās āupsetā because he, as her best friend who knows her & her past relationships, knows that her thing with the engaged man will not end well for her.Ā And yes, he is not wrong in saying that in a case when she has feelings for two men itās a better option to choose the best friend, who has always been there for her (sheās said this herself) than the totally engaged (until just recently) & morally questionable, emotionally unavailable grieving hot guy.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā
While Max choices have been justĀ āmistakesā (perhaps not the best idea to confess your feelings via flash mob to a girl who only listens to podcasts?), then Simonās choices have been actualĀ ābad decisionsā - cheating. And though both Simons & Zoeyās bad choices have been rooted in their grief/depression, they cannotĀ āexcuseā it with being a mess due to grief. Instead of continuing the downward spiral they should own their mistakes, acknowledge them as not good choices. Itās one thing to use the wrong gesture to confess your love to somone, and completely another thing to cheat on your fiancee (and blame it on being a mess cause of grief). Those two things should not be comparable.Ā
I canāt believe how some people see Max response to herĀ āno one understand why you got the promotionā (translation: you didnāt deserve it) as harsh. Like her cruel words wereĀ ājustifiedā because sheās grieving..or just because...even though she was not right to say them, but his behaviour has beenĀ āunacceptableā. Yes, his comments to Zoey are not the friendliest (when heās telling why he chooses 6th floor over 4th... after theĀ āThe Boy is Mineā sing-off, but they are nothing compared to ZoeyāsĀ āyou donāt deserve this promotion & you are selfish for not being there for me whenever I need something from youā.Ā
We can all see & understand that each character has flaws & makes mistakes & says some things they shouldnāt. But some of these things areĀ āworseā than the others. And his reply to her rude-fuled-by-her-anger-phase-of-grieving comment to him was tame. He was actually quite calm & cool during his response to her (youāre calling me selfish?). And he directed the coded message at Zoey on the 6th floor directly at her because he knows sheās emotionally challenged, so she needed to undrerstand that it was directed at her, too...so sheād start understanding that she hurt him with her words/behaviour too. He wanted her to get that message, cause he had seen that until now she had no idea how her actions/inactions affect him.Ā
He may seem like beingĀ āupsetā with her... but itās also understandable, because she kinda broke his heart, and just as sheās allowed to not return his feelings, heās allowed to feel sad that she doesnāt. To put it inĀ āfairytale termsā. But heās in no way pressuring her to return his feelings & start a relationship now. All he wants/needs from her is honesty & clarity.Ā
And mostly... when will Zoey finally give Simon the advice he needs - go see a professional therapist! What the man needs is professional help not a mind-reader, who is a mess herself. And is Zoey doesnāt stop keeping it all in and wonāt talk to her family/friends about her grief, then she, too, will soon need professional help... (therapist).Ā
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Through all of this Maxās there for her: Ā he supports her when sheās interested in the new guy..(until he finds out the man is taken); he supports her to go after the promotion; he brings her dad... his āclosest thing to a dad heās hadā soft food...that he can eat, he goes to support her when she gets a call about her dadās health & he finds a way to get her to her dad..fast; he saves her āglitch songā and turns it into a pitch for the CEO; he goes to check on her, & gives her her momās message..even when heās hurt by her (and on top of that he gives her good friend advice about her dad). And she does acknowledge this..on several occasions. So...thisĀ āsocial distancingā (physical distance between them during work & off work) is needed to make her/them start to see things from different perspective, and realize some truths... that only distance/change could give them.Ā
There is a real inconsistancy between what she really feels & thinks...andĀ what she says/acknowledges she feels & thinks.Ā
ETA: And it all wonāt start moving forward & she wonāt start character development until sheāll truly embrace her powers. Cause she still seems to view them asĀ āburdenā instead ofĀ āhelpful toolā. Sure... she has started to realize the good she can do with having this ability (in general Howie/Abigail situation was the first time she really used her ability to really improve the situation & first time she really emphatized), but until she fully embraces it all, sheāll remainĀ ālostā. The turning point will be actually losing her dad...for real.Ā
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