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I think a lot of the times when I see achilles being talked about on here in comparison to other heroes of the iliad people keep forgetting/overlooking how young he is. like he’s not the same age as hector or even paris he is substantially younger.
I reinterpreted a vase painting about scene from The Iliad, when Agamemnon takes Briesis from Achilleus into a comic.
Yall can see when I gave up, but my classics iconograpy teacher liked it, so doesn't matter lol.
This is the original vase. I really like burrito Achilleus, it shows vulnerability and offens in a heros. It makes me feel a bit closer to him, and his unapproachable and his high and godly like persona.
there is no platonic explanation for achilles and patroclus but there is no romantic explanation either because they were written before either of these concepts existed
personally, the idea that achilleus ‘chose’ to fight for the greeks at troy for the sake of kleos presumes a lot about 1) his agency as an instrument of the gods 2) his agency as a young boy being manipulated by ideals that, at the end of the day, were never in his interest
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your reblog reminded me achilles is compared to a mother more times than i thought (he even compares HIMSELF to a mother, which i think is unique) but he is also far from the only one who gets compared to a woman in some way. i kind of want to tally up all the feminine metaphors, who they are used for and why in homers works now
achilles’ gender is SO interesting, for someone who excels so well at the masculine art of war he really is the most feminine hero in the iliad (other than paris)
also, I remember during a reading of the iliad more than a year ago, I decided to start tallying all the ‘gender moments’ of the poem (similes of the men being compared to women, instances of them participating in feminine acts, etc.) I wasn’t very consistent with it (I started doing it when I was like 4-5 books in, and I think for some of the later books I forgot to keep it up), but I would mark these moments with a light pink post-it. and here’s my copy:
as I said, I wasn’t v consistent. but as you can see, there’s still a fair amount.
Your Iliad metas are pretty interesting. Can I ask which books do you find the least and most interesting?
thank you, I'm glad you like them!
I've made a post here about my favourite moment in the Iliad, which is in Book 18, and I really enjoy that whole book. But in terms of interest (from an academic point-of-view), I'd have to say I find Book 9 the most interesting. Mainly because Book 9 has that huge speech by Achilleus which gives us the clearest view into his psyche that we get in the whole poem. Out of all the times that we see Achilleus, he is the most clear-headed in Book 9, and so he is able to articulate his motivations and his frustrations really well. I also just love the way that Achilleus speaks, in general. His speech is very unique in the Iliad and he takes on the language of the narrator in multiple instances.
Asking me to choose the book I find least interesting is like asking me to choose a least favourite child. I organised an Iliad Reading Group at uni more than a year ago, and since I was the one leading the discussion, I have notes for every single book. I went and looked back on it, and Book 10 has the least amount of notes (like 1 and a half A4-sized pages, compared to the 2 and a half I had for Book 9 and 4 for Book 18), so I guess based on the evidence, Book 10 is the one I find least interesting? I mean, the doloneia is super cool, but other than that I don't have much to say about it.
Achilles discovered by Ulysses and Diomedes Peter Paul Rubens (Flemish, 1577-1640)
love love love this painting and absolutely ADORE this part of Achilleus' story. always obsessed with male characters that are supposed to act as the epitome of masculinity but actually subvert gender roles in significant ways.
