What do you think both Beth and Rio were thinking in that 3x04 scene? Beth is so hard to read here so is Rio? What are your thoughts?
i'm assuming you mean this scene, anon (if not, I've talked about the bar scene a lot. Once i answered what i think they did while waiting for the paper to dry, but i don't really agree with anything i said there anymore, haha.
there, i basically say that i think that beth tried to come up with something to talk about, while rio enjoyed watching her squirm, and they talked a littleāmostly beth walking him through what she was doing.
now, i don't think they spoke at all, and i don't think they were in those headspaces, exactly.
the scene is really erotic, and that's always been obvious with the choice of song, but i think they're clearly in that headspace physically.
when beth walks into the backroom, i think she is truly terrified. i think rio's gun means something again, even if he's no longer able to use proximity or physically imposing on her judging by the way he leans over the table, gun against the wood (this isn't him yanking her to him and pressing the cool metal against her face, mouths inches apart, breathing heavy). and i do think rio wants her to feel that wayāi think it's important for him that she feel that way. after all, he's trying to re-establish powerāsomething beth doesn't seem to realize he feels he's lost the moment he wondered if that pregnancy was real and ended up sparing her life.
but beth's fear and rio's anger shift and mutate as rio watches and beth's good. and as beth starts to realize he knows she's good, i think being watched become kind of thrilling. he's seeing her, and it still does something to her. and i think the fact that that's laced with the fear intrigues her, and rio likes that it intrigues her. he's still enjoying being in the position of looking, of judging, but he's thinking of her in that way againāsymbolized by his hand lifting off the gun to weave together in his lapāand i think that, at least for a bit, his anger towards her gets replaced at anger towards himself for being impressed, for being proud, for being attracted to her still, after everything.
this reminds me that i actually started scribbling down a side-by-side pov fic where both of them immediately go and separately and furiously masturbate as soon as it's over, each of them playing out a slightly different sexy powerplay fantasyāboth of them beginning with imagining themselves having it, but coming when they each imagine the other snatching the power back, because at the core of it, they both find the game too good.
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do you think that rio blinking a bunch before drinking in the 3x04 bar scene was deliberate?
Yeah, I do. Often, we can see that Rio has the ability to focus in and hone in on people without blinking much, but it's rare to see him blink like he does in that moment, which occurs right after Beth tells him she lost the baby and right before Rio drinks his shot.
I've said before [x, x, x] that his body language in preparing to drink the shot signifies that he's steeling himself to press forward with killing Beth even though he doesn't actually want to do it, and I think the blinking factors into that. It's him grappling with his feelings about what's happening, which is that she's put him in a position where he's forced to act because otherwise his failure to retaliate for her transgression will make him weak and vulnerable and give her power over himāsomething that if she knew, she could use to destroy him. His only choice, then, is to pull the trigger.
From a scientific standpoint, the excessive blinking is an indicator of his stress:
When someone blinks fast it is often a sign that they are under stress. At rest, the normal blink rate ranges between 8 and 21 blinks per minute. If a person blinks more frequently, such as when asked a challenging question, it is usually because he is stressed.
It's a moment where Rio looks away from Beth and his guard is down somewhat as he's processing what has to happen next. While I don't necessarily think he was on the verge of tears, I do think his eyes probably stung because the reality of where they are at that moment is so bleak. His body language shows that struggle in other ways, too, from the way he holds the alcohol in his mouth a moment before he swallows and sighs, to his jaw working as he stares at the empty glass, to the way he sucks in a breath and shaking his head when Beth asks what comes next and he admits, "Nothing good."
He wants to want to kill her, but he wants an out more, and his demeanor changes when she suggests buying back her life. Although he instantly rejects it, he becomes far less fidgety, pushing the shot glass back to link his fingers and stare at the bar top which he pushes his thumbs together. He could cut her off, force her outside, not give her any room to speak, but he doesn't. Instead, he listens, giving her enough time to come up with a reason to convince him to spare her.
Do you think Rio's in love with Beth? I feel like he must be because of how he reacted to the shooting, imo he would've killed her pretty quickly if he just liked her.
I do think heās in love with Beth, yes. I donāt think he wants to be, but I think he knows it and it irritates him. I read Rio as someone who is in tune with his emotions and that acts with an awareness of what they are, someone who is generally honest but that masks that with ambiguity, limited information, and behavior thatās intended to hurt and punish.
I think those feelings really started taking root sometime around 2.07, even if wasnāt ready to engage with them. The fact that Beth had put herself in danger seemed to trigger something in him, and despite what he said, he couldnāt stop himself from checking for Jane and then from retrieving and then returning the blanketāfor no other reason than he could, for no other reason than it was important to her (even though it likely came with professional consequences since I believe that kind of move signaled weakness to either his enemies or his own boys). Notably, Rio did not have Beth meet him or come outside for that exchange, nor did he alert her that he was leaving it in her mailboxālike he couldnāt face her in the moment to reveal what heād done for her.Ā
In 2.08, then, we see Rio at his most relaxed and open. Teasing, playful, loose. He offers to help her with no specified strings attached (or clear benefit to himself), gives her uncharacteristically open and clear advice about a turf war, and backs off with little more than a warning when she expresses that she wants to handle it herself. I think this moment is pretty powerful in showing what their dynamic might look like at its best, and Rio seems like someone thatās willing to protect, guide, and support her when things are good between them. I donāt think any of these things are things he gives away easily, and they signal very much how he feels about her.
Then, in 2.09, I think he was still taken aback by what the kiss unleashed. His reaction to the two first soft, tentative kisses look as if heās just had an epiphany. He cedes all the games and fully seems to embrace letting her know how he feels, breaking to finally kiss her the way he wantsĀ to kiss her, without any apparent hurry to move onto the next step. Afterward, he looks comfortable and at ease in her bed, and weāre given access to his private reaction when Beth leaves him in her bed: blindsided and hurt.
In 2.10, he reveals that he still sees her (āthey suck your soul out yet, or what?ā) and that heās bothered by her trying to cut him out of her life (ādamn, thatās coldā) which is followed-up when he adamantly refuses to field her phone calls in 2.12 as paybackānot to mention that during this time, he entertains Annie and Ruby and doesnāt touch them when they fail and fuck up the pill run, instead using it as an opportunity to get Beth back in business. This is really a juncture where Rio could have a clean break from Beth; the secret shopper scheme and the dealership have both imploded and the FBI is hot on her trail. Still, he ropes her back in, and he specifically aims to hurt her like sheās hurt him when he tells her that sheāsĀ āworkā (Iāve said before that I think Bethās reveal of the Boomer lie was one that impacted him significantly, particularly since their sexual relationship was jump started when he gave her the keys to the kingdom as a reward for handling Boomer, and made him think she was capable of surviving in his world). This, of course, results in him trying to push Bethāor rather drag her down in the dirt with himāin 2.13, only we know how that goes.
I still think heās in love with her in season 3. First, at the height of his rage, he charges ahead with his plan to murder her, but heās rattled when she tells him sheās pregnant. He lies low, processing the news, then takes her to a clinicāthe same one he visited when his ex was pregnant with his sonāwhere heās sure heāll catch her in the lie. Instead, what actually happens is that the doctor asks about the date of conception, triggering both of their memories of 2.09, and she then confirms that they supposedly made a baby that day.Ā
By the time Beth confesses that there is no baby (through more deceit, pretending that sheādĀ ālostā it), that he has no reason to kill her anymoreāRio doesnāt seem to want to. Thereās technically no barrier anymoreāthe reason he was keeping her alive is now irrelevantābut he struggles with what he has to do, taking a shot for liquid courage just to be able to muster up the strength to do it. Only then... Beth asks him how much it would cost for her life, and he puts on a show that he wonāt even entertain the proposition, but then he does.Ā
Could Rio use the money? Sure! His pill business and counterfeit operation has been implodedāby herābut do I think he actually felt that 100K was a sufficient price for her life, even temporarily? Not at all. Not considering how severe her betrayal was, not considering what it put at risk for him, and not considering how we saw how he handled Eddy in S1 orĀ how much we saw him charge her to retrieveĀ āBoomerāsā body. Also, correct me if Iām wrong, but I donāt ever remember actually seeing Beth pay him this moneyāthe debt seemed to be erased once he decided heĀ āneeded [her] aliveā at the end of the episode and took her business out from underneath her instead.
I think taking over Bethās operations benefitted him, absolutely. But I donāt actually think he neededĀ her, that heād have been in an absolutely impossible bind without her. It was convenient, yes. It was beneficial, yes. But enough to keep her alive? I donāt personally think so, not without feelings steering the ship of his decisions, at least.
That was actually a moment where a lot of people did come out and say that they didnāt understand Rioās decision here, and I think the show came back in 3.05 to really reiterate the true motive when the script had Dean announce:Ā āHe wonāt kill something he loves.ā The way the entire Lucy situation goes down is interesting, because I actually think Lucy was the most valuable person (able to continually reproduce passable counterfeit artwork) even if she was the weakest link. Beth, Annie, and Ruby all share the sameĀ knowledge about the process, yet they all remain untouchedāRio refuses to cross a line he knows he canāt uncross with Beth. Itās interesting, because youād think that heād feel the same way about the shootingāthat Beth couldnāt come back from thatābut it doesnāt seem to be the case? He doesnāt let it go, no, but he seems determined to address it (āthat ship sailed when you put three slugs in me,āĀ āmaybe youāre right, Iām the problem,ā andĀ ānext time, empty the clipā) at the same time that he continues to refuseĀ to physically harm her, despite the fact that sheās still uncontrollable, which she proves when she steals from him. He basically admits to her that his threats are empty, too, when he tells her that he canāt incentivize her with aĀ āgun to [her] head.āĀ
I donāt think Rio wants to go off riding into the sunset with her, or even necessarily that he wants to beĀ with her. But he seems to feel something for her that he canāt control and which influences his decisions, often making it so that sheās the exception rather than the rule in terms of how he chooses to handle her.Ā
Do you think beth and dean will more Intimate scenesļæ¼? Because I hope not I don't want to see that again š¤¢
I think it canāt be ruled out since they are married and Beth is currently fighting to save their marriage, however, I will say that the intimate scenes have always served a narrative purpose so I donāt think weāre about to get them ājust because.ā I also think that we have gotten 4 intimate scenes in 38 episodes and they have all been in direct response to Rio:
Beth sleeps with him in 2.06 after being turned on by Rio and she imagines Rio during the encounter. Narrative purpose: Contrast the connection between Beth and Dean with Beth and Rio; show Dean discovering the āaffairā to set up Dean hiring the baby hitmen.
Beth tried to use Dean to get pregnant in 3.03 after lying to Rio to spare her life. Narrative purpose: Sets up that Dean is still tempted to cheat even when Beth and Dean are at their ābest,ā showing Dean hasnāt grown that much. Shows the extent of Bethās desperation and how emotionally dishonest Beth is with Dean and how she will use him for her own purposes.
Dean kisses Beth in 3.04 right after telling her āwe were so good with [Rio] gone.ā Narrative purpose: Shows that Dean fundamentally misunderstands his relationship with Beth and the impact Rio has on that relationship; contrasts against the money-making scene with Rio showing thereās more spark in her antagonistic relationship than in her marriage; sets up Deanās jealousy being a major issue in season 3
Beth attempts to seduce Dean in 3.07 after successfully stealing from Rio; Dean explicitly expresses surprise that sheās initiating sex now that Rio is back. Narrative purpose: Shows Beth enjoying the cat and mouse game that she and Rio used to play which sets up her attempt to play off his attraction to her in 3.08; parallel shots call back to 2.04 mirror shots in the bathroom; costuming in the robe calls back to 2.09, which ultimately compares to 2.06 as her connection and dynamic with Rio still does more to turn her on than her own husband.
Even the more minor forms of intimacy have been connected to Rio. Beth reached for Dean and seeks comfort in a hug after shooting Rio in 2.13, tear-stained and numb, showing how sheād been affected by the event and setting up that Dean offers her a sense of security, stability, and familiarity in the wake of that trauma. Beth breaks down sobbing and Dean hugs her in 3.06 after Beth has to dig up Lucyās body in order to save Max, and even when she and Rio are at their lowest point, Beth still doesnāt confide in Dean about whatās really going on. When Dean snuggles against Beth at the end of 4.02, itās right before heās arrested for Bethās crimes that sheās secretly committing with Rio.
So while I think itās a possibility that we see it again, I think it will continue to fit into a pattern of revealing the degradation of Beth and Deanās relationship at the same time that it demonstrates how present Rio is in Bethās thoughts.
I rewatched the s3 bar scene where Beth tells Rio she lost the baby. Omg I didn't remember how emotional he seemed in this moment !! What do you think of then in this scene (love your analysis) and also do you think he believes her about being pregnant and the miscarriage ?
I LOVE THAT SCENE SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!
I think it is wideĀ open for interpretation, but Iām inclined to think that in the end, he did believe herābut barely.Ā
I think if he disbelieved her entirely, he wouldāve killed her in 3.03, but there was just enough doubtĀ for him to hold off. Personally, I headcanon that he spent those 2-3 weeks stewing and ramping himself back up, and Rhea suggested that he take her to get an ultrasound and arranged the appointment herself after Beth saw her at soccer practice.
in the clinic scene, I think Rioās convinced himself that sheās absolutely lying and that heās going to catch her in it (and her fearful behavior confirms it) and it will finally be over. I think heās giddy because heās certain that heās right and then the doctorās confirmation of the pregnancy pulls the rug out from underneath him. Since Rhea helped himĀ make the appointment, and Beth genuinely didnāt seem to know about it, I think heās shocked enough to believe that itās true (but heās furious about it and isnāt entirely convinced its his, henceĀ āpaternity testā).
When she shows up and confesses that thereās no baby, I think he probably concedes that there maybe never was, but I think he hadĀ believed her just enough to have to grapple with his feelings for herāpast and presentāand I think the time dulled his rage and exhausted him. I sort of read his,Ā āWhen?ā And Bethās,Ā āDoes it matter?ā as some sort of acknowledgment that he doesnāt even have the energy to press her on the lie, because he realizes, no, it doesnātābecause now sheās here, and now he has no reason not to kill her. So he takes a shot of tequila to give himself liquid courage because he thinks he still hasĀ to do it but he doesnāt want to.Ā
When Beth asks what happens next and Rio says,Ā āNothinā good,ā I donāt think he just means for her. I think he knows the toll itās going to take on him. The emotion that rolls of Rio in that scene to me is resignation. Sheās dangerous to him and Rio canāt and wonāt give her the power of reversing his decision on his ownāit would reveal far too much.Ā
So he lets her give her pitch, and he rejects it at first (āyeah, you donāt know my interestsā and āyou couldnāt afford itā) to maintain the illusion that he is disinterested in an alternate path, but he concedes at the promise of money, firming up Bethās belief that thatās what he loves most in the world. Through a combination of tunnel vision, desperation, confusion, and repression, she never even stops to think that in this case, I think money has very littleāmaybe even nothingāto do with it.Ā
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Hi! So I just recently got into Good Girls and have become completely obsessed! I love your analysis of the show and scenes so I wanted to get your opinion on something. Feel free to ignore if you already answered. What is your take on Rioās ākinda like being almost pregnantā line from 4.01? I saw so many people take it as he knew she lied about the pregnancy but I took more as a throw away comment because he was annoyed. If he does know that she lied about being pregnant, I wish the show would have included a scene or more hints because when Beth tells him she lost the baby at the bar, he looked a little upset by the idea that he may have lost a kid too. Does that make sense?
Thank you so much! Welcome to the fandom!
Personally, I think it was confirmation thatāeven if he wasnāt quite sure at the timeāheād figured it out. Itās quite loaded to be a throwaway line, and in context, heās comparing the two situations and the way Beth manipulates him in both to get what she wants. Beth has lied and told him Boland Bubbles is āalmostā up and running in order to get back on payroll, similarly to how she lied about being pregnant in order to get him to spare her life.
In 3.04, I agree with youāRio does look like the information weighs on him, but I think that makes sense. One, I now think he only just barely believed the doctor anyway, but felt powerless in the scene to expose it. Two, contemplating if she was actually pregnant forced him to remember their intimacy, dulling his rage. Three, the confession at the bar is only a half-truthāshe lost the baby, instead of admitting there never was a babyāwhich makes it so Rio still doesnāt know for sure what the truth is, only that he has no reason not to kill her anymore, but he no longer has the momentum to do so even though everything is still broken between them. She still shot him and left him for dead, and he thinks he should kill her even though he doesnāt seem to want to. When he takes the shot, I believe that means heās going to push ahead with the plan anyway and force himself to do it, so the mood in the scene is so heavy because itās a moment of deep conflict for Rio. In his mind, Beth doesnāt deserve mercy and yet he wants to give it to her anywayāand those feelings may have been sparked by a lie.
With time and distance, I think Rio worked out what he really believedāthat there was never a baby at allāand we learn in the same moment that Beth does because up until this point, she believed she got away with it too.
I agree with you and the anon, while I think Rio is great at what he does and lets little to nothing steer him off from making decisions he has to, I also wanna believe deep down he has empathy especially for her kids so I am definitely somewhere in the middle
Oh, I definitely agree. I donāt think Rio is without empathyāI think he obviously forms deep bonds and behaves emotionally and responds to other peopleās emotions (think of how he responds to Bethās pain after he has Lucy killedāeven though heās still reeling after she nearly killed him). I also think the few interactions weāve seen between him and Marcus shows that heās great with kids (which I think will be confirmed when we meet his family as well).
But Iām not sure the fact that Beth has kids factored into his decision not to kill her. I think the pregnancy lie was the only thing that saved her skin in 3.03āparticularly because it forced Rio to consider 2.09 and remember how he once felt about herāhow he still felt about her despite everything. That meant, in turn, that by the time Beth stopped lying about the baby, he could not longer kill her.
Basically I think he wouldāve gone through with it in 3.03 and 3.04 if anything but what happened had happened, and her children wouldāve have made the difference.
However, I tend to headcanon that if Rio was ever able to go through with killing Beth, heād take care of her kids in some capacity.