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Why does this need to exist?

First, I don't know if it even really counts as a micro label for radnormals.

If the creator of radnormality defines radnormality as being against non-traumagenic systems, then every single radnormie would fit this by definition.

And if, as it says, it's meant to encompass literally all of the people who are opposed to non-traumagenic systems, including the ones that don't identify as radnormies, think that's not really a micro label either. It's just another word for sysmed. You've just coined a word for something which already exists and already has multiple words to describe it.

It's also, medically speaking, a bit of an oxymoron. Normality in medicine is defined by the absence of a disorder. That's what the whole boundary with normality in the ICD-11 is about.

And I wouldn't bat an eye at this if it was some type of anti-psych label rejecting how psychiatry treats people with mental illnesses as not being normal. If that was the statement that was being made here, fine.

sysmed is stolen from transmed and isnt even a real word cry about it and be mad that there is a new term

no one is talking normality in medicine. this is about systems hello

Thanks!

I've managed to change at least a few. There have been some who approached me later and said that my resources helped them become more open-minded and pro-endo.

And there are others I think I've had an influence on.

The biggest challenge that you will have to combat when trying to change minds though... It's groupthink.

It's peer pressure.

A single isolated sysmed can be talked to and reasoned with sometimes.

But when they are in a group, there is an active reason for them to never change stances. Changing their minds means losing friends and social supports. Their brains have every reason to make up any excuse they can to dismiss evidence.

Them changing their minds and trusting science or expert opinions that you present means being socially punished by their peers.

It's been all but confirmed now that a lot of these "radnormals" are part of the same server. While you see the public arguments, there's also more going on behind the scenes. There are debates happening within that community that won't be publicized.

I think changing the minds of the radnormals as long as they're part of that community would be almost impossible.

At best, you can plant seeds that could someday grow into something once they leave the community they are in.

I think back to the Aspenvasion. Anti-endo TikToker AspenFrosten led an army of sysmeds to brigade the pro-endo tags with the intent of driving endogenic systems off of the website. A lot of her actions and the actions of her friends were a result of the community they made where they all sort of radicalized each other.

Some of her friends at the time made pictures about killing endogenic systems. It was nasty.

Then stuff happened. She became a bit too radicalized into the sysmed thinking, ended up fakeclaiming some of her own community, and then they all turned on her.

After that, she left, did some soulsearching and came back pro-endo.

Perhaps the actions of myself or other pro-endos at the time played some part in that change. But I think the biggest thing that contributed to that change was just getting away from that toxic space.

And so when you talk about me being mean, I didn't used to be. Part of the reason I am now is that I have come to appreciate my villain role. It's actually pretty fine!

But there's another reason too. You will hear people talk about the importance of kindness for deradicalizing people from a cult. And that's true. There's absolutely value in being nice to people once they have left a cult and you need to deprogram them.

But if people are actively in a cult... You often can't get them out with a smile. But sometimes you can with a wrecking ball.

You demolish their buildings, and they're going to go running.

I recently saw people talking about a study that showed domestic partner violence increased following a missed paycheck. The implication here is that when you have people with short tempers and little self-control, and you insert stresses into their life, they are going to start hurting people close to them.

And that I think is an advantage, beyond the fun and the catharsis, to meanness.

Stress destabilizes. It causes conflict, not just on the outside but also within the group. And that instability can help push people out of the groups so that others might have a chance of changing their minds later.

Finally, I do think that there will be a future someday where sysmeds have largely been shut down. They will always be some who hang on to bigotry no matter what. But most sysmeds on this website from 4 years ago became pro-endo or at least neutral over time.

The Sociocognitive Model of Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Reexamination of Evidence https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8711016/

Revisiting the Etiological Aspects of Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Biopsychosocial Perspective https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5422461/

The Weakness of the Sociocognitive Model of Dissociative Identity Disorder https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236613969_The_Weakness_of_the_Sociocognitive_Model_of_Dissociative_Identity_Disorder

“I Am Not I”: The Neuroscience of Dissociative Identity Disorder  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9045405/

Abnormal hippocampal morphology in dissociative identity disorder and post‐traumatic stress disorder correlates with childhood trauma and dissociative symptoms https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4400262/

Dissociative identity state-dependent working memory in dissociative identity disorder: a controlled functional magnetic resonance imaging study https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9059616/

Hippocampal and amygdalar volumes in dissociative identity disorder https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16585437/

Similar cortical but not subcortical gray matter abnormalities in women with posttraumatic stress disorder with versus without dissociative identity disorder https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0925492715000153

and more at https://www.tumblr.com/hazedxg0/810510432819363840/could-i-please-have-the-links-to-medical-studies

Good for you!

Now... are they relevant sources?

No.

Do they have anything to do with non-disordered or endogenic plurality?

Not at all!

Do they even cover other forms of disordered plurality such as OSDD or Partial DID?

Of course not!

Did you even bother to read them? Even skimming?

I bet you didn't!

In fact, the very first study is paywalled and something tells me you don't know about Sci-Hub.

But hey, at least you can copy and paste links! Good for you! You've evolved into a parrot!

Which is, to be fair, an animal more intelligent that most other sysmeds.

There's nothing for me to even counter with these sources. They're studies solely into DID arguing DID, with the full symptoms of DID, is traumagenic. Not only do they not address non-disordered plurality, it doesn't address OSDD or Partial DID.

You're misrepresenting these studies to be about things they aren't. To be about topics they don't even touch on.

And one thing you're omitting is that the possible existence of "nonpathological endogenous forms of dissociative identity disorder" were speculated on by trauma specialists like Richard Kluft and Colin Ross for decades, such as in this paper by Kluft from 2001:

I don't have access to the original study from Dr. Colin Ross that's being cited there, but he talked more about this in an email with a (now-former) anti-endo.

The creators of the theory of structural dissociation have discussed that dissociative parts of the personality possessing self-consciousness may be involved in mediumship.

In 2017, a study was published into the online multiple community concluding that there was a continuum of multiplicity with DID at one end of the continuum.

In 2018, you have the Plurality chapter in a book reviewed and published by the American Psychiatric Association, asserting that you can be plural without trauma or a disorder.

In 2019, the World Health Organization's ICD-11 adds the Boundary with Normality, making it clear you can experience the presence of multiple distinct personality states (the same term it uses for dissociative identities) without a mental disorder.

And through those last two especially, you can start to see the shift from "hey, maybe this is a thing," to "this is a thing and we need to acknowledge that."

There have been many studies into non-disordered plurality since, and even some that have yet to be published. For one notable example, Stanford University performed an fMRI study on the brains of tulpamancer that showed there were changes in their brains during possession that weren't present when simply pretending. While it has yet to be published, the doctors performing this study discussed their findings in an AMA.

I just presented half a dozen different sources.

You do realize i never stated that osdd / pdid arent other forms of being a systems.

Yes. I also realize you're trying to prove systems in general are traumagenic, and not only could you not find sources showing that non-disordered plurality is traumagenic or doesn't exist, you couldn't even find sources proving partial DID or OSDD are traumagenic.

At best, your sources show DID, and DID exclusively, is caused by trauma.

please do not calling a baby I am 18

Baby.

keep on claiming that non-disorder plurality is the thing because it literally isnt.

The World Health Organization disagrees with you. As does the book written and published by the American Psychiatric Association. And Dr. Colin Ross, who has written more on dissociative disorders than anyone in the world.

again using a random email

Again, expressing the opinions of Dr. Colin Ross, who has 40 years of experiences treating patients with DID and has written more on the subject than anyone else.

and Reddit is not credible sources.

Stressing again that this is an AMA with actual doctors who directly studied tulpamancers in an fMRI machine as part of a study with Standford University. Here's an article that interviewed them before the study if you for some reason think the study was made up.

One of the doctors involved, Tanya Luhrmann, has studied similar phenomena such as the Vineyard evangelicals essentially creating god tulpas in their head. Both were involved in this study comparing tulpamancers to other forms of voice hearers.

"Reddit is not a credible source" might generally be true... except when you're talking about an AMA with actual doctors expressing their views.

non disorder plurality it's not real

This statement is contradicted by all of my sources, and backed up by exactly none of yours.

If you have no issue, then you arent plural you just have multiple different personalities, which is completely fine.

So, is this a semantic argument now? That you can have multiple personalities but can't identify as plural without a disorder?

That's frankly even more stupid, considering plurality was coined to be broader and apply to systems without disorders. See this from the 90s which is generally attributed with popularizing its use:

"We don't claim that every multiple system/household is a happy loving cooperative one. What we do question is the *identification* of "real multiples" with the characteristics or symptoms of a psychological disorder. We go further: we question by what right or authority doctors and therapists are given sole jurisdiction over the definition of "an individual"."

"This is one reason our clan encourages use of the word "plural" rather than "multiple". "Multiple", even standing by itself, brings to mind MPD/DID, "multiple personality disorder", "dissociative identity disorder", which are specific diagnoses created by the medical/therapeutic community. "Plural" is a much more neutral word, more commonly heard in the context of grammar than psychiatry. (The other reason, of course, is that plural can be construed to have a broader meaning, applying to anyone(s) anywhere on the continuum who experience themselves as plural in some way. )"

If we're having a semantic debate, let's make it clear that this is OUR community's term.

now talking about endogenic plurality you do realize the theory of structured dissociation also tells you that you do need trauma.

No.

It doesn't.

What the theory of structural dissociation does is explain the mechanism behind trauma-formed systems.

If the theory of structural dissociation was claiming all plurality came from trauma, you wouldn't have the authors writing about their definition of dissociation in trauma half a decade after publishing The Haunted Self saying that self-conscious dissociative parts might be involved in nonpathological experiences such as mediumship and hypnosis.

theory of structural dissociation doesn't talk about plural at all. so plurality doesn't even exists. you need heavy dissociation in order to be a system. authors can write against theory of structural dissociation, so I don't know what you mean by writing about their definition of dissociation. I don't think anyone cares unless it comes from the gov.

stay on topic calling me baby doesn't do anything I have inside jokes with my friends. you thought that did something

I do not know ross please do not act like I am supposed to know someone. that is a random screenshot of an email so like do you have ross page or anything backup to say they have 40+ years. again I am not trusting a random reddit account provide proof its linked to a doctor.

okay ? I provided and an extra link at the bottom maybe click that too. you are feel to do your own research

Thanks!

I've managed to change at least a few. There have been some who approached me later and said that my resources helped them become more open-minded and pro-endo.

And there are others I think I've had an influence on.

The biggest challenge that you will have to combat when trying to change minds though... It's groupthink.

It's peer pressure.

A single isolated sysmed can be talked to and reasoned with sometimes.

But when they are in a group, there is an active reason for them to never change stances. Changing their minds means losing friends and social supports. Their brains have every reason to make up any excuse they can to dismiss evidence.

Them changing their minds and trusting science or expert opinions that you present means being socially punished by their peers.

It's been all but confirmed now that a lot of these "radnormals" are part of the same server. While you see the public arguments, there's also more going on behind the scenes. There are debates happening within that community that won't be publicized.

I think changing the minds of the radnormals as long as they're part of that community would be almost impossible.

At best, you can plant seeds that could someday grow into something once they leave the community they are in.

I think back to the Aspenvasion. Anti-endo TikToker AspenFrosten led an army of sysmeds to brigade the pro-endo tags with the intent of driving endogenic systems off of the website. A lot of her actions and the actions of her friends were a result of the community they made where they all sort of radicalized each other.

Some of her friends at the time made pictures about killing endogenic systems. It was nasty.

Then stuff happened. She became a bit too radicalized into the sysmed thinking, ended up fakeclaiming some of her own community, and then they all turned on her.

After that, she left, did some soulsearching and came back pro-endo.

Perhaps the actions of myself or other pro-endos at the time played some part in that change. But I think the biggest thing that contributed to that change was just getting away from that toxic space.

And so when you talk about me being mean, I didn't used to be. Part of the reason I am now is that I have come to appreciate my villain role. It's actually pretty fine!

But there's another reason too. You will hear people talk about the importance of kindness for deradicalizing people from a cult. And that's true. There's absolutely value in being nice to people once they have left a cult and you need to deprogram them.

But if people are actively in a cult... You often can't get them out with a smile. But sometimes you can with a wrecking ball.

You demolish their buildings, and they're going to go running.

I recently saw people talking about a study that showed domestic partner violence increased following a missed paycheck. The implication here is that when you have people with short tempers and little self-control, and you insert stresses into their life, they are going to start hurting people close to them.

And that I think is an advantage, beyond the fun and the catharsis, to meanness.

Stress destabilizes. It causes conflict, not just on the outside but also within the group. And that instability can help push people out of the groups so that others might have a chance of changing their minds later.

Finally, I do think that there will be a future someday where sysmeds have largely been shut down. They will always be some who hang on to bigotry no matter what. But most sysmeds on this website from 4 years ago became pro-endo or at least neutral over time.

The Sociocognitive Model of Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Reexamination of Evidence https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8711016/

Revisiting the Etiological Aspects of Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Biopsychosocial Perspective https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5422461/

The Weakness of the Sociocognitive Model of Dissociative Identity Disorder https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236613969_The_Weakness_of_the_Sociocognitive_Model_of_Dissociative_Identity_Disorder

“I Am Not I”: The Neuroscience of Dissociative Identity Disorder  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9045405/

Abnormal hippocampal morphology in dissociative identity disorder and post‐traumatic stress disorder correlates with childhood trauma and dissociative symptoms https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4400262/

Dissociative identity state-dependent working memory in dissociative identity disorder: a controlled functional magnetic resonance imaging study https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9059616/

Hippocampal and amygdalar volumes in dissociative identity disorder https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16585437/

Similar cortical but not subcortical gray matter abnormalities in women with posttraumatic stress disorder with versus without dissociative identity disorder https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0925492715000153

and more at https://www.tumblr.com/hazedxg0/810510432819363840/could-i-please-have-the-links-to-medical-studies

Good for you!

Now... are they relevant sources?

No.

Do they have anything to do with non-disordered or endogenic plurality?

Not at all!

Do they even cover other forms of disordered plurality such as OSDD or Partial DID?

Of course not!

Did you even bother to read them? Even skimming?

I bet you didn't!

In fact, the very first study is paywalled and something tells me you don't know about Sci-Hub.

But hey, at least you can copy and paste links! Good for you! You've evolved into a parrot!

Which is, to be fair, an animal more intelligent that most other sysmeds.

There's nothing for me to even counter with these sources. They're studies solely into DID arguing DID, with the full symptoms of DID, is traumagenic. Not only do they not address non-disordered plurality, it doesn't address OSDD or Partial DID.

You're misrepresenting these studies to be about things they aren't. To be about topics they don't even touch on.

And one thing you're omitting is that the possible existence of "nonpathological endogenous forms of dissociative identity disorder" were speculated on by trauma specialists like Richard Kluft and Colin Ross for decades, such as in this paper by Kluft from 2001:

I don't have access to the original study from Dr. Colin Ross that's being cited there, but he talked more about this in an email with a (now-former) anti-endo.

The creators of the theory of structural dissociation have discussed that dissociative parts of the personality possessing self-consciousness may be involved in mediumship.

In 2017, a study was published into the online multiple community concluding that there was a continuum of multiplicity with DID at one end of the continuum.

In 2018, you have the Plurality chapter in a book reviewed and published by the American Psychiatric Association, asserting that you can be plural without trauma or a disorder.

In 2019, the World Health Organization's ICD-11 adds the Boundary with Normality, making it clear you can experience the presence of multiple distinct personality states (the same term it uses for dissociative identities) without a mental disorder.

And through those last two especially, you can start to see the shift from "hey, maybe this is a thing," to "this is a thing and we need to acknowledge that."

There have been many studies into non-disordered plurality since, and even some that have yet to be published. For one notable example, Stanford University performed an fMRI study on the brains of tulpamancer that showed there were changes in their brains during possession that weren't present when simply pretending. While it has yet to be published, the doctors performing this study discussed their findings in an AMA.

Thanks!

I've managed to change at least a few. There have been some who approached me later and said that my resources helped them become more open-minded and pro-endo.

And there are others I think I've had an influence on.

The biggest challenge that you will have to combat when trying to change minds though... It's groupthink.

It's peer pressure.

A single isolated sysmed can be talked to and reasoned with sometimes.

But when they are in a group, there is an active reason for them to never change stances. Changing their minds means losing friends and social supports. Their brains have every reason to make up any excuse they can to dismiss evidence.

Them changing their minds and trusting science or expert opinions that you present means being socially punished by their peers.

It's been all but confirmed now that a lot of these "radnormals" are part of the same server. While you see the public arguments, there's also more going on behind the scenes. There are debates happening within that community that won't be publicized.

I think changing the minds of the radnormals as long as they're part of that community would be almost impossible.

At best, you can plant seeds that could someday grow into something once they leave the community they are in.

I think back to the Aspenvasion. Anti-endo TikToker AspenFrosten led an army of sysmeds to brigade the pro-endo tags with the intent of driving endogenic systems off of the website. A lot of her actions and the actions of her friends were a result of the community they made where they all sort of radicalized each other.

Some of her friends at the time made pictures about killing endogenic systems. It was nasty.

Then stuff happened. She became a bit too radicalized into the sysmed thinking, ended up fakeclaiming some of her own community, and then they all turned on her.

After that, she left, did some soulsearching and came back pro-endo.

Perhaps the actions of myself or other pro-endos at the time played some part in that change. But I think the biggest thing that contributed to that change was just getting away from that toxic space.

And so when you talk about me being mean, I didn't used to be. Part of the reason I am now is that I have come to appreciate my villain role. It's actually pretty fine!

But there's another reason too. You will hear people talk about the importance of kindness for deradicalizing people from a cult. And that's true. There's absolutely value in being nice to people once they have left a cult and you need to deprogram them.

But if people are actively in a cult... You often can't get them out with a smile. But sometimes you can with a wrecking ball.

You demolish their buildings, and they're going to go running.

I recently saw people talking about a study that showed domestic partner violence increased following a missed paycheck. The implication here is that when you have people with short tempers and little self-control, and you insert stresses into their life, they are going to start hurting people close to them.

And that I think is an advantage, beyond the fun and the catharsis, to meanness.

Stress destabilizes. It causes conflict, not just on the outside but also within the group. And that instability can help push people out of the groups so that others might have a chance of changing their minds later.

Finally, I do think that there will be a future someday where sysmeds have largely been shut down. They will always be some who hang on to bigotry no matter what. But most sysmeds on this website from 4 years ago became pro-endo or at least neutral over time.

The Sociocognitive Model of Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Reexamination of Evidence https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8711016/

Revisiting the Etiological Aspects of Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Biopsychosocial Perspective https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5422461/

The Weakness of the Sociocognitive Model of Dissociative Identity Disorder https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236613969_The_Weakness_of_the_Sociocognitive_Model_of_Dissociative_Identity_Disorder

“I Am Not I”: The Neuroscience of Dissociative Identity Disorder  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9045405/

Abnormal hippocampal morphology in dissociative identity disorder and post‐traumatic stress disorder correlates with childhood trauma and dissociative symptoms https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4400262/

Dissociative identity state-dependent working memory in dissociative identity disorder: a controlled functional magnetic resonance imaging study https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9059616/

Hippocampal and amygdalar volumes in dissociative identity disorder https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16585437/

Similar cortical but not subcortical gray matter abnormalities in women with posttraumatic stress disorder with versus without dissociative identity disorder https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0925492715000153

and more at https://www.tumblr.com/hazedxg0/810510432819363840/could-i-please-have-the-links-to-medical-studies

No. You're all just saying bigoted stuff and are somehow chronically incapable of hearing how bigoted the things you say are.

Like, this is still someone with a doctorate in psychiatry. He still studied psychiatry FOR YEARS to be able to pass.

Becoming a Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association requires years more of work in the field.

Imagine for a moment doing all of that, everything you achieved. And then you write a book for the American Psychiatric Association with its lengthy and arduous peer and editorial review process. The foreward in your book is written by another doctor with extensive experience in the field who read it and describes your book as a watershed moment.

The American Psychiatric Association puts their seal of approval on the book and publishes it.

It's not the dichotomy I would usually go for... but I wanted to post this in the radnormal tags to force them to see people choosing "queer" over "normal." 😜

🤣🤣🤣

As long as radnormies want to be sysmeds and peddle hate against systems like ours, I will NEVER leave them alone.

No safe space for hate groups!

They sell it on the website for the American Psychiatric Association, where you can see the editorial reviews.

Our therapist supports endogenic plurality and has straight up told us that regardless of if we have a CDD we are still plural.

Why do you think distinguished LGBTQ psychiatrists are less valid as sources?

Why would you need the book to be about DID when the topic is non-disordered plurality?

And yes, projection. The actual hate group who makes stuff like this...

is trying to label the marginalized community they're victimizing as the actual hate group.

Honestly, we could just stop right here.

If you're spreading bigotry against a group and arguing that your bigotry has any basis in psychology or science, and you don't have sources... there's no basis for your bigotry!

It's hate for the sake of hate.

It's only based on their experiences and findings

Hey guys! We apparently need sources that are not based on either experiences or findings! Sources based on a doctors' findings are no longer valid! 🤣

your sources doesn't even have good credentials next time find someone better thank you !

Meanwhile, the credentials...

Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association:

Also, I did notice how you never responded to anything I said after missing the point of my first reblog.

Let’s be clear,

I did bring up a psychologist who specializes in did validating endogenic plurality. Just for you.

And even then, I think the idea of being able to dismiss research and words of a psychologist JUST because they don’t specialize in what you think is related (and I have gone over why plurality is VERY reality to queer people, specifically trans people, and why it was included in a book about trans people’s *mental health*) is kinda stupid in itself. it’s still findings that are peer reviewed and done by a credited psychologist that knows what they are doing. That doesn’t just disappear because you want to dismiss them for their specialty.

The findings still exist, and he has a lot more knowledge in it then you do. He is still talking from experience that FAR outweighs yours, and you haven’t even GIVEN any actual augment other then dismissals.

That “may” is also doing a lot of heavy lifting here, give an actual augment for why his findings are wrong other then just repeating that they may or might be ‘less informative or accurate’ by your standards. Because right now it’s your word against two credited and influential psychologists plus the ICD that we can actually name and point to… vs a single vague “my therapist said this.” That wasn’t even said by you but by another “radnormal”, who was the one to bring up, “I believe an actual psychologist over you”

You said you weren’t gonna “hear you guys out” anymore? What happened to that? You responding in itself is a opening for a response back. If your done just don’t reblog my stuff. It’s clear your just running out of augments and are running with a tail inbetween your legs and going for more ad hominem attacks. It’s cool that you aren’t gonna respond back to this though, I don’t really care about that, but you don’t dictate whether or not I get to pick apart your last augments.

I have said that I only brought up my own therapist as a *response* to Dave doing that, I am not using them as an actual augment myself. Read my other reblogs on this post. I literally link them, you just have to click the underlines.

I also literally explain and show how the ICD validates non-disordered plurality by defining that not everyone who experiences multiple personality states has a disorder. You also haven’t responded to me bringing up the actual did specialist that does the same.

Back to your dismissal with bringing up Dr. Eric “comparing plurality to daydreaming”

This is the actual context of it.

He is literally just saying that daydreaming is a form of dissociation, which is just objectively true. Not even close to saying that daydreaming is the same as plurality. Actually, it’s a perfect showcase of how sysmeds take the worst bad faith reading of things when it suits them.

Nice try though.

Anyways, this was fun lol

This is literally just, such a good showing of the average sysmed aurgment. One goes away, another takes their place. Somehow worse then the last one.

“I suffer so much! If you don’t suffer like I do you aren’t a system!” And just asserting shit without actually having anything to back their claims. Still not a single actual psychologist that backs their claims. Still not a single study or anything substantial. No actual “non-bullshit” sources that support their side, Just “I said so”, don’t even explain why my sources are “bullshit”, just assert they are so you don’t have to actually deal with them.

For the record, I am traumagenic myself, and we also have ADHD, but thanks for the fakeclaiming :}

Nothing actually engaging in the conversation. Nothing actually adding to it. If you get to just assert stuff without anything supporting it, why can’t I? It’s all bullshit over bullshit over bullshit that just serves to reinforce your own bigotry and hatred while saying the other side is a “hate group”…. Where have I seen that before? Projection at its finest.

You are just such a perfect encapsulation of the intellect of a sysmed! Thank you for letting me use you as an example. I could find a million other sysmeds that talk and act the same way you do, you probably already got your own bullshit augments from them, It’s so fascinating. But it’s not new, nor is it backed by anything but your own biases on how stuff works, the fact that you already dismissed actual psychologists for your own personal shit shows just how much your like the average bigot.

The Sociocognitive Model of Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Reexamination of Evidence https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8711016/

Revisiting the Etiological Aspects of Dissociative Identity Disorder: A Biopsychosocial Perspective https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5422461/

The Weakness of the Sociocognitive Model of Dissociative Identity Disorder https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236613969_The_Weakness_of_the_Sociocognitive_Model_of_Dissociative_Identity_Disorder

“I Am Not I”: The Neuroscience of Dissociative Identity Disorder  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9045405/

Abnormal hippocampal morphology in dissociative identity disorder and post‐traumatic stress disorder correlates with childhood trauma and dissociative symptoms https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4400262/

Dissociative identity state-dependent working memory in dissociative identity disorder: a controlled functional magnetic resonance imaging study https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9059616/

Hippocampal and amygdalar volumes in dissociative identity disorder https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16585437/

Similar cortical but not subcortical gray matter abnormalities in women with posttraumatic stress disorder with versus without dissociative identity disorder https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0925492715000153

It's not the dichotomy I would usually go for... but I wanted to post this in the radnormal tags to force them to see people choosing "queer" over "normal." 😜

🤣🤣🤣

As long as radnormies want to be sysmeds and peddle hate against systems like ours, I will NEVER leave them alone.

No safe space for hate groups!

They sell it on the website for the American Psychiatric Association, where you can see the editorial reviews.

Our therapist supports endogenic plurality and has straight up told us that regardless of if we have a CDD we are still plural.

Why do you think distinguished LGBTQ psychiatrists are less valid as sources?

Why would you need the book to be about DID when the topic is non-disordered plurality?

And yes, projection. The actual hate group who makes stuff like this...

is trying to label the marginalized community they're victimizing as the actual hate group.

Honestly, we could just stop right here.

If you're spreading bigotry against a group and arguing that your bigotry has any basis in psychology or science, and you don't have sources... there's no basis for your bigotry!

It's hate for the sake of hate.

It's only based on their experiences and findings

Hey guys! We apparently need sources that are not based on either experiences or findings! Sources based on a doctors' findings are no longer valid! 🤣

your sources doesn't even have good credentials next time find someone better thank you !

Meanwhile, the credentials...

Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association:

Also, I did notice how you never responded to anything I said after missing the point of my first reblog.

Let’s be clear,

I did bring up a psychologist who specializes in did validating endogenic plurality. Just for you.

And even then, I think the idea of being able to dismiss research and words of a psychologist JUST because they don’t specialize in what you think is related (and I have gone over why plurality is VERY reality to queer people, specifically trans people, and why it was included in a book about trans people’s *mental health*) is kinda stupid in itself. it’s still findings that are peer reviewed and done by a credited psychologist that knows what they are doing. That doesn’t just disappear because you want to dismiss them for their specialty.

The findings still exist, and he has a lot more knowledge in it then you do. He is still talking from experience that FAR outweighs yours, and you haven’t even GIVEN any actual augment other then dismissals.

That “may” is also doing a lot of heavy lifting here, give an actual augment for why his findings are wrong other then just repeating that they may or might be ‘less informative or accurate’ by your standards. Because right now it’s your word against two credited and influential psychologists plus the ICD that we can actually name and point to… vs a single vague “my therapist said this.” That wasn’t even said by you but by another “radnormal”, who was the one to bring up, “I believe an actual psychologist over you”

You said you weren’t gonna “hear you guys out” anymore? What happened to that? You responding in itself is a opening for a response back. If your done just don’t reblog my stuff. It’s clear your just running out of augments and are running with a tail inbetween your legs and going for more ad hominem attacks. It’s cool that you aren’t gonna respond back to this though, I don’t really care about that, but you don’t dictate whether or not I get to pick apart your last augments.

I have said that I only brought up my own therapist as a *response* to Dave doing that, I am not using them as an actual augment myself. Read my other reblogs on this post. I literally link them, you just have to click the underlines.

I also literally explain and show how the ICD validates non-disordered plurality by defining that not everyone who experiences multiple personality states has a disorder. You also haven’t responded to me bringing up the actual did specialist that does the same.

Back to your dismissal with bringing up Dr. Eric “comparing plurality to daydreaming”

This is the actual context of it.

He is literally just saying that daydreaming is a form of dissociation, which is just objectively true. Not even close to saying that daydreaming is the same as plurality. Actually, it’s a perfect showcase of how sysmeds take the worst bad faith reading of things when it suits them.

Nice try though.

Anyways, this was fun lol

This is literally just, such a good showing of the average sysmed aurgment. One goes away, another takes their place. Somehow worse then the last one.

“I suffer so much! If you don’t suffer like I do you aren’t a system!” And just asserting shit without actually having anything to back their claims. Still not a single actual psychologist that backs their claims. Still not a single study or anything substantial. No actual “non-bullshit” sources that support their side, Just “I said so”, don’t even explain why my sources are “bullshit”, just assert they are so you don’t have to actually deal with them.

For the record, I am traumagenic myself, and we also have ADHD, but thanks for the fakeclaiming :}

Nothing actually engaging in the conversation. Nothing actually adding to it. If you get to just assert stuff without anything supporting it, why can’t I? It’s all bullshit over bullshit over bullshit that just serves to reinforce your own bigotry and hatred while saying the other side is a “hate group”…. Where have I seen that before? Projection at its finest.

You are just such a perfect encapsulation of the intellect of a sysmed! Thank you for letting me use you as an example. I could find a million other sysmeds that talk and act the same way you do, you probably already got your own bullshit augments from them, It’s so fascinating. But it’s not new, nor is it backed by anything but your own biases on how stuff works, the fact that you already dismissed actual psychologists for your own personal shit shows just how much your like the average bigot.

It's not the dichotomy I would usually go for... but I wanted to post this in the radnormal tags to force them to see people choosing "queer" over "normal." 😜

🤣🤣🤣

As long as radnormies want to be sysmeds and peddle hate against systems like ours, I will NEVER leave them alone.

No safe space for hate groups!

They sell it on the website for the American Psychiatric Association, where you can see the editorial reviews.

Our therapist supports endogenic plurality and has straight up told us that regardless of if we have a CDD we are still plural.

Why do you think distinguished LGBTQ psychiatrists are less valid as sources?

Why would you need the book to be about DID when the topic is non-disordered plurality?

And yes, projection. The actual hate group who makes stuff like this...

is trying to label the marginalized community they're victimizing as the actual hate group.

Honestly, we could just stop right here.

If you're spreading bigotry against a group and arguing that your bigotry has any basis in psychology or science, and you don't have sources... there's no basis for your bigotry!

It's hate for the sake of hate.

It's only based on their experiences and findings

Hey guys! We apparently need sources that are not based on either experiences or findings! Sources based on a doctors' findings are no longer valid! 🤣

your sources doesn't even have good credentials next time find someone better thank you !

Meanwhile, the credentials...

Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association:

Also, I did notice how you never responded to anything I said after missing the point of my first reblog.

Let’s be clear,

I did bring up a psychologist who specializes in did validating endogenic plurality. Just for you.

And even then, I think the idea of being able to dismiss research and words of a psychologist JUST because they don’t specialize in what you think is related (and I have gone over why plurality is VERY reality to queer people, specifically trans people, and why it was included in a book about trans people’s *mental health*) is kinda stupid in itself. it’s still findings that are peer reviewed and done by a credited psychologist that knows what they are doing. That doesn’t just disappear because you want to dismiss them for their specialty.

The findings still exist, and he has a lot more knowledge in it then you do. He is still talking from experience that FAR outweighs yours, and you haven’t even GIVEN any actual augment other then dismissals.

That “may” is also doing a lot of heavy lifting here, give an actual augment for why his findings are wrong other then just repeating that they may or might be ‘less informative or accurate’ by your standards. Because right now it’s your word against two credited and influential psychologists plus the ICD that we can actually name and point to… vs a single vague “my therapist said this.” That wasn’t even said by you but by another “radnormal”, who was the one to bring up, “I believe an actual psychologist over you”

You said you weren’t gonna “hear you guys out” anymore? What happened to that? You responding in itself is a opening for a response back. If your done just don’t reblog my stuff. It’s clear your just running out of augments and are running with a tail inbetween your legs and going for more ad hominem attacks. It’s cool that you aren’t gonna respond back to this though, I don’t really care about that, but you don’t dictate whether or not I get to pick apart your last augments.

I have said that I only brought up my own therapist as a *response* to Dave doing that, I am not using them as an actual augment myself. Read my other reblogs on this post. I literally link them, you just have to click the underlines.

I also literally explain and show how the ICD validates non-disordered plurality by defining that not everyone who experiences multiple personality states has a disorder. You also haven’t responded to me bringing up the actual did specialist that does the same.

Back to your dismissal with bringing up Dr. Eric “comparing plurality to daydreaming”

This is the actual context of it.

He is literally just saying that daydreaming is a form of dissociation, which is just objectively true. Not even close to saying that daydreaming is the same as plurality. Actually, it’s a perfect showcase of how sysmeds take the worst bad faith reading of things when it suits them.

Nice try though.

Anyways, this was fun lol

This is literally just, such a good showing of the average sysmed aurgment. One goes away, another takes their place. Somehow worse then the last one.

“I suffer so much! If you don’t suffer like I do you aren’t a system!” And just asserting shit without actually having anything to back their claims. Still not a single actual psychologist that backs their claims. Still not a single study or anything substantial. No actual “non-bullshit” sources that support their side, Just “I said so”, don’t even explain why my sources are “bullshit”, just assert they are so you don’t have to actually deal with them.

For the record, I am traumagenic myself, and we also have ADHD, but thanks for the fakeclaiming :}

It's not the dichotomy I would usually go for... but I wanted to post this in the radnormal tags to force them to see people choosing "queer" over "normal." 😜

🤣🤣🤣

As long as radnormies want to be sysmeds and peddle hate against systems like ours, I will NEVER leave them alone.

No safe space for hate groups!

They sell it on the website for the American Psychiatric Association, where you can see the editorial reviews.

Our therapist supports endogenic plurality and has straight up told us that regardless of if we have a CDD we are still plural.

Why do you think distinguished LGBTQ psychiatrists are less valid as sources?

Why would you need the book to be about DID when the topic is non-disordered plurality?

And yes, projection. The actual hate group who makes stuff like this...

is trying to label the marginalized community they're victimizing as the actual hate group.

Honestly, we could just stop right here.

If you're spreading bigotry against a group and arguing that your bigotry has any basis in psychology or science, and you don't have sources... there's no basis for your bigotry!

It's hate for the sake of hate.

It's only based on their experiences and findings

Hey guys! We apparently need sources that are not based on either experiences or findings! Sources based on a doctors' findings are no longer valid! 🤣

your sources doesn't even have good credentials next time find someone better thank you !

Meanwhile, the credentials...

Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association:

Also, I did notice how you never responded to anything I said after missing the point of my first reblog.

Let’s be clear,

I did bring up a psychologist who specializes in did validating endogenic plurality. Just for you.

And even then, I think the idea of being able to dismiss research and words of a psychologist JUST because they don’t specialize in what you think is related (and I have gone over why plurality is VERY reality to queer people, specifically trans people, and why it was included in a book about trans people’s *mental health*) is kinda stupid in itself. it’s still findings that are peer reviewed and done by a credited psychologist that knows what they are doing. That doesn’t just disappear because you want to dismiss them for their specialty.

The findings still exist, and he has a lot more knowledge in it then you do. He is still talking from experience that FAR outweighs yours, and you haven’t even GIVEN any actual augment other then dismissals.

That “may” is also doing a lot of heavy lifting here, give an actual augment for why his findings are wrong other then just repeating that they may or might be ‘less informative or accurate’ by your standards. Because right now it’s your word against two credited and influential psychologists plus the ICD that we can actually name and point to… vs a single vague “my therapist said this.” That wasn’t even said by you but by another “radnormal”, who was the one to bring up, “I believe an actual psychologist over you”

You said you weren’t gonna “hear you guys out” anymore? What happened to that? You responding in itself is a opening for a response back. If your done just don’t reblog my stuff. It’s clear your just running out of augments and are running with a tail inbetween your legs and going for more ad hominem attacks. It’s cool that you aren’t gonna respond back to this though, I don’t really care about that, but you don’t dictate whether or not I get to pick apart your last augments.

I have said that I only brought up my own therapist as a *response* to Dave doing that, I am not using them as an actual augment myself. Read my other reblogs on this post. I literally link them, you just have to click the underlines.

I also literally explain and show how the ICD validates non-disordered plurality by defining that not everyone who experiences multiple personality states has a disorder. You also haven’t responded to me bringing up the actual did specialist that does the same.

Back to your dismissal with bringing up Dr. Eric “comparing plurality to daydreaming”

This is the actual context of it.

He is literally just saying that daydreaming is a form of dissociation, which is just objectively true. Not even close to saying that daydreaming is the same as plurality. Actually, it’s a perfect showcase of how sysmeds take the worst bad faith reading of things when it suits them.

Nice try though.

Anyways, this was fun lol

It's not the dichotomy I would usually go for... but I wanted to post this in the radnormal tags to force them to see people choosing "queer" over "normal." 😜

🤣🤣🤣

As long as radnormies want to be sysmeds and peddle hate against systems like ours, I will NEVER leave them alone.

No safe space for hate groups!

They sell it on the website for the American Psychiatric Association, where you can see the editorial reviews.

Our therapist supports endogenic plurality and has straight up told us that regardless of if we have a CDD we are still plural.

Why do you think distinguished LGBTQ psychiatrists are less valid as sources?

Why would you need the book to be about DID when the topic is non-disordered plurality?

And yes, projection. The actual hate group who makes stuff like this...

is trying to label the marginalized community they're victimizing as the actual hate group.

Honestly, we could just stop right here.

If you're spreading bigotry against a group and arguing that your bigotry has any basis in psychology or science, and you don't have sources... there's no basis for your bigotry!

It's hate for the sake of hate.

It's only based on their experiences and findings

Hey guys! We apparently need sources that are not based on either experiences or findings! Sources based on a doctors' findings are no longer valid! 🤣

your sources doesn't even have good credentials next time find someone better thank you !

Meanwhile, the credentials...

Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association:

Also, I did notice how you never responded to anything I said after missing the point of my first reblog.

Let’s be clear,

I did bring up a psychologist who specializes in did validating endogenic plurality. Just for you.

And even then, I think the idea of being able to dismiss research and words of a psychologist JUST because they don’t specialize in what you think is related (and I have gone over why plurality is VERY reality to queer people, specifically trans people, and why it was included in a book about trans people’s *mental health*) is kinda stupid in itself. it’s still findings that are peer reviewed and done by a credited psychologist that knows what they are doing. That doesn’t just disappear because you want to dismiss them for their specialty.

The findings still exist, and he has a lot more knowledge in it then you do. He is still talking from experience that FAR outweighs yours, and you haven’t even GIVEN any actual augment other then dismissals.

That “may” is also doing a lot of heavy lifting here, give an actual augment for why his findings are wrong other then just repeating that they may or might be ‘less informative or accurate’ by your standards. Because right now it’s your word against two credited and influential psychologists plus the ICD that we can actually name and point to… vs a single vague “my therapist said this.” That wasn’t even said by you but by another “radnormal”, who was the one to bring up, “I believe an actual psychologist over you”

You said you weren’t gonna “hear you guys out” anymore? What happened to that? You responding in itself is a opening for a response back. If your done just don’t reblog my stuff. It’s clear your just running out of augments and are running with a tail inbetween your legs and going for more ad hominem attacks. It’s cool that you aren’t gonna respond back to this though, I don’t really care about that, but you don’t dictate whether or not I get to pick apart your last augments.

I have said that I only brought up my own therapist as a *response* to Dave doing that, I am not using them as an actual augment myself. Read my other reblogs on this post. I literally link them, you just have to click the underlines.

I also literally explain and show how the ICD validates non-disordered plurality by defining that not everyone who experiences multiple personality states has a disorder. You also haven’t responded to me bringing up the actual did specialist that does the same.

Back to your dismissal with bringing up Dr. Eric “comparing plurality to daydreaming”

This is the actual context of it.

He is literally just saying that daydreaming is a form of dissociation, which is just objectively true. Not even close to saying that daydreaming is the same as plurality. Actually, it’s a perfect showcase of how sysmeds take the worst bad faith reading of things when it suits them.

Nice try though.

Anyways, this was fun lol

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also maybe talk to other psychologists who specialize in plurality about this

And you said the "not all plurality is disorded", but I genuinely don't remember reading in the text (the part about the research) that not all plurality is disordered/gen (correct me if I'm wrong/gen) But the very least it would be a neurodivergence, and as far as I know, neurodivergences can be formally assessed. However, I don't know of, nor have I heard of, anyone who has been assessed solely as "plural" or anything similar to endo (including from professionals, but you already know that cof—)