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Even the Uchiha Police Force made it clear in the manga that they abused their authority, like in the scene where they try to arrest Itachi but can’t do it without the Hokage’s permission because he was ANBU —unlike ordinary citizens. There is no indication that they were institutionally discriminated against or marginalized; that happened to Naruto. And I base this on the manga, not the anime, since the latter tends to add non-canon elements

However, when I point this out, I get insulted by Uchiha apologists. I also notice that very few truly criticize Obito, even though he was directly responsible for leaving Naruto an orphan and ruining his childhood, or Madara, who behaved delusionally and ultimately destroyed his own clan. Madara himself claimed that the Uchiha would be annihilated by Tobirama, but the manga shows the clan was fine; it was Madara (using Obito) who caused everything to fall apart

In my view, the clearest victims of Madara and Obito were Naruto, Rin, and all the innocent people who suffered in Kirigakure because of Obito’s unstable state. Yet many fans choose instead to hate Tobirama simply because, unlike Hashirama, he didn’t sugarcoat things and stated truths directly —something some fans don’t like.

I just wanted to express this. I’m not sure what you think. 😊😊

Sorry for the late reply anon, this reply was longer than I expected. I can see what you are saying so I thought I would break it down.

1. Why the fandom sometimes blames Konoha as a whole

When fans praise the scene where Sasuke interrogates the Hokage corps, it often has less to do with an accurate accounting of blame and more to do with emotional catharsis and symbolism. The scene is compelling because:

Sasuke represents the Uchiha perspective, finally confronting the leaders of the village who allowed the massacre to happen.

Hashirama’s shocked reaction gives the audience a vicarious sense of moral judgment that someone as “idealistic” as Hashirama is disturbed means that the wrongdoing was real.

The Hokage corps is often treated as a stand-in for the “system” of Konoha, even though the actual blame is more granular (the Council + Obito + Madara).

So fans aren’t necessarily blaming every citizen of Konoha, they are emotionally responding to the symbols of authority. That’s why it looks like the village is being blamed.

2. The role of the Uchiha Police Force

You’re correct: the manga makes it clear that the Uchiha Police had special authority but were abusing it. They weren’t systematically oppressed as a whole, unlike what happened with Naruto and other clans in different contexts. Their “grievances” were mixed with pride and paranoia.

This is a subtle point that many Uchiha apologists gloss over: Itachi’s genocide was more about political manipulation than a widespread anti-Uchiha policy. It’s easier to blame Konoha generally than to parse the bureaucracy and Obito’s interference.

3. Obito and Madara as primary culprits

These two are not innocent at ALL! Obito directly orchestrated much of the suffering:

He unleashed the nine tails

He left Naruto an orphan and ruined countless lives.

He manipulated the Uchiha and triggered the chain of events leading to the massacre.

He indirectly caused his sensei and his sensei's wife's death

Madara, too, bears significant responsibility. But the narrative often lets their actions sit in the “villain” category while the political discussion around Konoha gets simplified into a morality tale. Uchiha's have been stated by Tobirama they are a clan of evil which isn't entirely inaccurate consider his younger brother was murdered in cold blood by four Uchiha who were grown men mind you.

4. Why Tobirama gets unfairly vilified

Tobirama is a classic case of “truth teller vs. likable leader”:

He is direct, pragmatic, and feared by some because he doesn’t indulge idealism.

Fans often respond to narrative tone rather than factual correctness. Hashirama is idealized, Tobirama is demonized.

In reality, Tobirama’s actions (setting up ANBU, structuring Konoha’s institutions, even cautioning against the Uchiha) were preventative, not malevolent. The real villains were exploiting those structures (Obito, Madara).

So, in conclusion, you’re making an accurate, nuanced reading of the manga:

Konoha as a whole isn’t solely to blame; the Council + Obito + Madara are.

Uchiha grievances were exploited, not entirely justified.

Tobirama acted out of pragmatism, not malice.

First tobirama did not segregate the Uchiha clan first all the story makes it clear that danzo and the elders moved the Uchiha clan to the outskirts how could they move the Uchiha clan to the outskirts if tobirama already moved them like you claim he did

It's simple because he didn't tobirama put the police building on the outskirts of the village the police building the Uchiha clan doesn't live in the police building and the village didn't dislike the Uchiha clan for being the police force they disliked them because they where conceited/arrogant pricks because of the authority they got from tobirama it not his fault that Uchiha clan couldn't do bare minimum and be decent humans beings

Uchiha clan was still in the village when tobirama was hokage period plus the naruto databook literally makes it clear that danzo and elders did that

And making this clear danzo isn't tobirama student he was on tobirama personal guard along with kagami torifu tobirama actual students are koharu hours hiruzen

And the only two of his personal guard Tobirama every mentioned and praised where kagami and hiruzen

And how tell some Uchihas tried to dethrone tobirama as hokage read databooks setsuna Uchiha and Gang of madara adherents and tobirama manged Deal with said coup without killing innocent people (looking at you danzo Shimura)

Concerning kagami to even compare tobirama and kagami relationship to having black friend is beyond stupid the Uchiha and senju have been fueding for centuries tobirama lost both is brothers to said clan as well multiple members of his clan to even work with kagami as well as several other Uchihas is a feat in its self and concerning setsuna and his madara adherents thats a setsuna and his gang issue because other Uchihas had no problem working with tobirama and several of them two including kagami take power form the senju some these Uchihas where still living in the warring states period

We just didn't get to see the seven other Uchihas who worked tobirama because kishimoto wasn't going to show 7 new characters

And no tobirama didn't make the curse hatred up multiple characters mentioned it one

1. Obito litteraly explains that urss of hatred existed before tobirama was even born.

2. Madara is straight up using tobirama explanation for the curse Deep love into a profound hate

3. Hagoromo

And Last but not least clans aren't races the Uchiha clan isn't a race the senjus and Uchihas ancestors are brothers

The Uchiha look so similar to each other and naruto looked so much like nawaki that edo Dan thought he was nawaki so even with the 1000 year gap the these clans married into each so much that naruto and nawaki who are like distant relatives look identical to each other same for izuna and sasuke

Not mentioned you litteraly have senjus like toka and hashirama with black hair and eyes I can see bunch of senjus in that picture with black eyes as well this because I've actually seen people use the Uchiha clan black hair and eyes to claim there separate race no the senjus also have black hair eyes and so do some of the uzumakis in the picture as you can see

The senjus Uchihas uzumakis are family tobirama is related to every Uchiha and every Uchiha is related to him are you suggesting that tobirama is racist to his own to his race that's how stupid ypu sound

Not mentioned madara created his own self fortifying prophesy if madara didn't attack the village with nine tails first then konoha would have no reason to suspect to the Uchiha and madara also manipulated obito who attacked nine tails which made danzo elders suspects of doing it and also working with yashiro Uchiha and fanning the flames of coup

Essentially what happened after the nine tails attack is that Uchihas where still living in village where then forced to move into one compound by danzo had there budget cut and there jobs taken over by the anbu and what orchimaru said the power tobirama gave them resulted in them becoming conceited and arrogant danzo and the elders took the power and authority that tobirama gave them away and they didn't like that (read itachi shinden light novel)

Danzo obito madara all wanted the Uchiha clan dead the Uchiha clan massacre is the fault of danzo obito and madara and not tobirama

and they are so fucking guilty, and trying their goddamn best to make reparations. they understand what they did was wrong, they understand how to make sure it never happens again, and they devote their lives to doing so. why do they want to reform their government? because they know firsthand that it is cruel and unjust, because they have been the executors of cruelty and injustice. they're not standing around making excuses for their actions or trying to justify what they did. they are actively trying to make amends.

it brings me so much comfort. that u can fuck up so horrendously and still be a good person. u can still be full of love and compassion and empathy, and u can do better.

The senju and uzumaki clan apparently atongized the Uchihas no they didn't stop acting like fued between them was one sided the vast majority of the bad things in naruto are where caused by members of Uchiha clan

how is the senju clan worse than Uchihas and trying to villanize the senju clan while acting as if the Uchiha clan didn't anything wrong and that the uzumaki senju harrassd them for no reason

And why are you bringing up real life events that have nothing to do with a fictional story of naruto the Uchiha clan are characterized as hateful because alot of members of the clan are like that

First of sasuke threatened to destroy konoha you expected Tobirama to just be nice to him or something

Killing innocent people will never be justified the deaths of nagato parents was mistake it was war time the konoha shinobi thought they where enemy ninja it was genuine mistake

This entire thread is ridiculous and one a entire system that's been going on for years can't just be changed

And also the Uchiha clan isn't and will never be a race there clan everyone in konoha is Asian

This segment is often ignored but I like it so much because it shows a glimpse of how ninja society changed in the era of peace (Blank Period-Boruto era). So some changes that happens are :

- Academy students don’t have to be a ninja 

- They can give up or fail graduation exam and will not be mocked for it (unlike Naruto in the past)

- There’s mention of “Former Ninjas” meaning that probably many ninjas are capable to quit being shinobi in peaceful era, probably because of the decreasing demand for shinobi

- Ninjutsu are widely used on non-military routine tasks.

- It’s explained in the novel, but now there’s rule “don’t kill but restrain” in ninja world, so now it’s heavily forbidden for ninjas to kill each other. So now ninjas are not “mercenaries”, at least most of them.

- Now that shinobi’s QoL are improved rapidly, I hope that bunshin will not create employment issues.

It’s so different from old bloody grime that is Naruto era. Kakashi’s era is worse, Jiraiya’s era is much worse, Hashirama’s era is much much worse. Interesting that the dream started with Hashirama (and Madara)’s era, yet the improvement is not instantaneous, but needs many steps. Still, I hope that we will know more about how Konoha and ninja world in general developed from military state into Metropolis during Blank period but Naruto franchise is primary about shounen fighting so oh well.

Some info from novels, spoiler warning for Retsuden series

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