THAI BL MASTER POST
So this is a master post about Thai BL. Itâs long. Iâve divided it into parts. Skip to the bits youâre intersted in.Â
Am I an agent of trust? At the top I talk about why, or why not, you might want to believe my opinions and how my taste was formed.Â
What to watch? In the middle thereâs recommended watch lists/orders.Â
What else to know? At the bottom thereâs links to other posts Iâve done on the subject of Thai BL.Â
My experience with the genre:Â
Iâve been watching BL since 2017. SOTUS was my first, then Love Sick, then mostly what was on YouTube. During lockdown I decided to try to watch every BL Thailand has ever made. I went back to 2007â˛s Love of Siam, and to date Iâve watched over 100 Thai BLs.Â
My education/career is in social science, pop culture analysis, market research, literary and film criticism, and I currently work in the entertainment industry. Iâm a touch OCD. I keep a spreadsheet of all BLs Iâve watched with ratings (about 250 total), and I also use My Drama List. I started with Thai BL but I now also watch anything I can get from Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Vietnam.Â
I come to BL as a reader of Japanese yaoi, mostly the stuff we got translated into English from about 1997-2007. I also watched many of the first North American and British queer romances and romcoms at about the same time. I donât consume much anime or European cinema.Â
My Taste & What I Lean Towards Recommending
What I like about Thai BL is that is has longer series, is very pretty, and tends to stick to the lighter end of the spectrum with happy endings, rarely gets too serious, and usually has comedic elements.Â
What you should be warned about. Production values can be low and the filming techniques are pretty amateur. There are usually sound issues from cartoon noises, to bad looping, to poor recording, to terrible music choices. Makeup and wardrobe is usually subpar. Acting can be cartoonish and awkward including chemistry between couples.Â
What I donât like about Thai BL is that it uses tropes I dislike: gay for you, dubious consent, stalker/obsession, heterosexual dysmorphia, vilification of femme and other visual queers, sex negativity, and lack of healthy female representation. When I rate something highly itâs often because it has fewer flaws as compared to other Thai BL, not because itâs necessarily better acted or has a fab story.Â
The Basics of Thai BL
BL: stands fo Boyâs Love, in Thailand prior to the rise of BL dramas, there were Y-novels (books featuring a gay romance mostly written by and for straight women) and some translated yaoi manga. The Thai language still mainly uses the term Y to refer to these stories. All Asian BL can trace it roots to the Japanese yaoi tradition which spread during the 1990s. The first BLs depicted on screen were in Japan and were called live action yaoi.Â
Thai BL can be divided into two types:
Regular Thai BL: good stuff, generally better acted, higher quality. It is sourced in SOTUS.
The Thai BL pulps: poorer all around, very low production values, cheaply made and churned out, always set in high school/university. It is sourced in Love Sick.Â
Most Thai BL is university/high school set, but lately (2021) they have been branching out, which Iâm excited about.
Thai BL is either original (somewhat improvised) scripts or based on a Thai Y-novel (written yaoi romance not manga). Generally the second style has better story and end product than the first.Â
Thai BL series tend to run longer than most other BL shows with 8-15 episodes of 40 minutes each. They tend to be happier and more up beat than BL from other countries. They almost always have a happy ending.Â
Insider Trading LingoÂ
Seme/uke & tsundere: The terms are Japanese, and these archetypes come from yaoi manga.Â
Seme = active pursuer or romantic aggressor/dominant.
Uke = passive pursued or romantic receiver/submissive.
It doesnât necessarily correlate to personality, sexual preference, or physical desire. Generally, in Thai BL seme/uke DOES conform to a heterosexually dysmorphic imposition where the seme is inappropriately conflated with boy/top, and the uke with girl/bottom. In other words, Thai BL does not believe in gay without imposing heterosexual rolls onto that gayness. They also fetishize a height difference. (If you want to avoid this youâll need to watch Korean BL or hereâs a list of BL from all over that has no established seme/uke.)
Tsundere = a character that appears prickly/angry/grumpy at first but softens as the story progresses. (Can be the seme or the uke character.)
Gay For You AKA If Itâs You, Itâs Okay, the character isnât âactuallyâ gay heâs just into this one person. There are a ton of issues with (and damage done to the queer community by) the Gay for You trope not the least of which is  bisexual erasure. You can read stuff about this from:
a romance author perspective here
a queer perspective here
from the fanfic/TV-trope side here
High heat: term from the romance genre that means the characters do more than just kiss. A series can qualify as high heat (e.g. Why R U?) or a pair can be classified as high heat, in that the actors are good at portraying that level of physical chemistry (e.g. MaxTul). Thai pulps are rarely high heat, so is most BL set in high school, and GMMTV avoids an R rating so they donât do high heat. (This can also be extended to countries, Taiwan leans towards high heat while Korea tends to avoid it.)
Thai Bl Specific Lingo & KnowledgeÂ
Signs of gayness in Thai BL: an engineering smock, the gear symbol, (both from SOTUS), pink milk, a clear umbrella, (both from 2 Moons book), black & white horizontal stripes and the little yellow backpack. Iâll go into endemic Thai BL tropes later.Â
FEAR EPISODE 11: Thereâs an urban myth âthe doom of ep 11âł because in 12/13 ep arcs a breakup/drama usually falls during episode 11, so we fear emotional suffering when an episode 11 is coming.Â
Faen fatale: my term for a femme fatale archetype in BL, faen is the Thai word for boyfriend/girlfriend/lover. Thai BL often has an ex/wannabe girlfriend/boyfriend turn up as a plot device. Â
The 2 Moons curse: 2 Moons is the most popular BL book (Y-novel) amongst Thai readers of the genre, yet adaptations to screen have been plagued with issues. Both the first and second seasons have been riddled with controversy, including accusations of bullying and cast members quitting. Rumor is Call it What You Want is an exposĂŠ of the behind the scenes events of 2 Moons 2.
Other weird things to know:
In Thai BL no character locks or plugs in his phone or respects posting privacy.
Doctors discus medical issues with anyone in the room.
Going out in the rain can make a boy sick.
Friends are UP in his business.
Parents are mostly not present or plot devices.
Women are evil or absent.
Thai BL Production Industry & ActorsÂ
Actor pairs or BL couples: sets of actors will be cast in different stories, as different characters, but always as the same couple when itâs BL. i.e. These boys donât mind kissing each other. Pairs will also be used together for product advertisements & fan-meets, as cohosts, in magazine spreads & look-books, for OST & concerts, and modeling campaigns/catwalks. GMMTV piloted the concept after SOTUS took off.Â
This kind of co-branding of coupledom can become the primary way the 2 actors make money. However, perforative gayness on talk shows smacks of queerbaiting. Pairs often end up dealing with some crazy fans, skinship obsession, stalker behavior, mismanaged expectations, and more: e.g. the good (MaxTul), the bad (ZeeSaint), the ugly (MewGulf). I suggest avoiding this cesspit if you can. These are actors. They are acting. End of discussion.Â
GMMTV (the maker of SOTUS) is Thailandâs biggest studio that consistently makes higher production value BL and puts them on YouTube with subs for an international audience. Thus their BLs tend to be better known. They keep a stable of actors, old 1930s Hollywood style, and use them in (and as hosts for) talk shows, advertising, game shows, variety shows, travel/food shows, and other non-BL dramas. GMMTVâs pairs include SingtoKrist, OffGun, TayNew, FrankDrake, PluemChimon & BrightWin. The short series Our Skyy showcases some of their pairs.Â
Studio Wabi Sabi is a smaller but popular BL studio that is following in GMMTVâs footsteps by keeping a stable of actors encouraged to do other activities, but paired up for BL. They produce shows like Until We Meet Again. Their pairs include OhmFluke & BounPrem. The short series Seven Project will showcase some of their pairs.Â
Directors youâll hear fans talk about:Â
Backaof who mostly directs for GMMTV and is pretty sophisticated.Â
New directs a lot and for several studios and has a very workmanlike approach.Â
Cheewin who mostly directs for indie houses and has a very candy-colored, comedic, and erratic style. Some pairs he reuses include BoomPeak, YoonLay, MaxNat & JimmyTommy.Â
Bloggers will occasionally use the Pâ honorific for directors. (I do not. I consider it inappropriate as the correct address would be Khun.)Â
Pairs relatively independent of studio or director (now) include: MaxTul, BothNewyear, YinWar, KaownahTurbo, JeffGameplay, JimmyTommy, J9, and PerthLay. Broadly speaking, pairs that self govern and self promote (or have moved into that) tend to make for healthier brands than those controlled by studios and are less likely to turn toxic.Â
MAME: the author of Love By Chance, A Chance at Love, and TharnType among other Thai Y-novels. Sheâs a popular writer (now semi-producer) in Thailand but her style and choice of tropes is extremely controversial with international audiences, (she includes a lot of statutory rape, dubious consent, and intra-couple violence). However, her characters are appealing and her casting choices tend to be strong. Some of her origin actor pairs include: MewGulf, JaFirst, MawinRun, and MaxNat.Â
LIST: Most Significant/Impactful Thai BL Over Time
By year, not necessarily worth watching. Just FYI.Â
2007 - Love of Siam (queer movie, critically acclaimed, sad ending)
2014 - Love Sick (Thailandâs first real BL, hugely popular INSIDE Thailand), My Bromance (out gay actor in a main role)Â
2015 - Love Sick 2 (longest BL season ever)Â
2016 - SOTUS (GMMTVâs first BL, Thailandâs first global hit, responsible for Thai BL becoming the soft power it is today), Make it Right (first Thai BL pulp) & Puppy Honey (BL side couple OffGun origin) & Kiss the series (BL side couple TayNew origin)*Â
2017 -Â Together with Me (first major MaxTul vehicle), 2 Moons, the concept of short spin offs and specials starts to be explored
2018 - Love By Chance (first MAME offering), My Tee (GMMTVâs first pulp), Kiss Me Again: PeteKao cut (first BL cut by a studio rather than a fan), the rise of the pulpsÂ
2019 - Great Men Academy (Thailand tries manga filming style), The Effect (Thailand criticizes its own worst BL tropes), 3 Will Be Free (queer poly suspense), TharnType (MewGulf break the internet, other people notice BL), Heâs Coming to Me & Until We Meet Again (Thailand applies complex story structure to a BL foundation)Â
2020 - 2gether (everyone learns about BL), Theory of Love (an established pair given new roles), YYY (how weird can Cheewin get?), Why R U? (how high a heat can we take?), Ingredients (BL as advertising), My Engineer & Oxygen (first major non-pulp BLs from unknown studios), I Told The Sunset About You (first high cinema BL since Love of Siam).Â
2021- 1000 Stars (first high cinema BL from GMMTV), Manner of Death (gay romantic suspense using a grown up BL couple), Lovely Writer & Call it What You Want (Thai BL gets meta with self criticism)Â
Thailand has experienced exponential growth in BL output since 2017, adding to the number of BLs it produces each year by a factor of 25-35%.Â
* The GMMTV Holy Trinity of Thai BL (OffGun, SingtoKrist, TayNew) all started in 2016.Â
WATCH LIST: Understand the History of Thai BL
This is basically an ingredients list for a Thai BL cake.
If you want to understand how Tumblr talks about Thai BL and go on the journey many early watchers went on with Thailand, this is it. Itâs designed so you can see how the industry in Thailand has evolved, and get all of the inside jokes. So I would watch in order, if you can.Â
Love Sick - Thailandâs first real BL, hugely popular INSIDE Thailand, a pretty decent story of bisexual self discovery and messy teen angst and one of the most appealing honest sweetheart uke characters ever. If you like Love Sick youâll be compelled to watch Love Sick 2, and itâs LONG so youâve been warned. On Netflix or on YouTube (watch the BL fan cuts if you can).Â
SOTUSÂ - Thailandâs first global hit, responsible for Thai BL becoming the soft power it is today, also caused the engineering is gay, pink milk, and gears tropes. (Youâll enjoy SOTUS S, the follow up, only if you loved SOTUS.) On Netflix.Â
Make it Right - the first Thai BL pulp, origin of BoomPeak, if you liked Love Sick youâll probably like MIR. If not, you should skip it and the pulps in general. On YouTube.Â
Love By Chance - first MAME offering with the least offensive main couple, but watch out for those side couples they trouble (trigger warning on KlaTechno for rape). On YouTube. Â
Kiss Me Again: PeteKao cut from GMMTV (Dark Blue Kiss is their main series, watch it if you like TayNewâs dynamic & chemistry in Kiss, otherwise donât bother). On YouTube.Â
2 Moons 2 - slightly better than 2 Moons and covers the same territory but with more developed side couples. Watch it to understand the origin of J9, why everyone loves Pavel, and where the pink milk and umbrella tropes come from. On YouTube.Â
Until We Meet Again - Thailand applies complex story structure to a BL foundation with a killer outcome. Origin of OhmFluke and BounPrem. (This is my favorite Thai BL). Trigger warning for the original version of trigger. On YouTube.Â
TharnType - some of the most problematic tropes with some of the best chemistry, MewGulf broke the internet and caused other people to notice BL, and everyone still talks about it & them. Watch this to learn why and about all the issues that follow. Trigger warning for statutory rape & child abuse. On Line TV online international.Â
Why R U? - if you like TharnType (or couldnât face it because of triggers) this is a much less problematic take on high heat, with a great soft boi side couple. The story is pants but itâs worth trying to track down for chemistry reasons, and because FighterTutor rep both safe sex and verse. On Line TV international.Â
2gether - the fluffiest BL that everyone knows about, watch this to see the pinnacle of GMMTVâs style and Thailandâs most ubiquitous BL. On YouTube.Â
My Engineer - first major non-pulp BL from an unknown studios, classic Thai BL with multiple pairs. On YouTube.Â
Second Chance - Thailandâs current reigning campion of the pulps (may get unseated by Nitiman) but if you want to know what a Thai BL pulp is, itâs this, this is what it is. On Line TV international.Â
Ingredients - BL as a story advertisement with a weak seme/uke dynamic and a great soft indie pair in peak domesticity. Extremely comforting and remarkably innovative for Thailand. Shares certain stylistic trends with Vietnamese and Pinoy BL. On YouTube.Â
I Told The Sunset About You - first well regarded widely watched high cinema BL, BL using a traditional coming of age narrative, shares some stylistic trends with Japanese BL. Hard to find.Â
A Tale of Thousand Stars - first high cinema BL from GMMTV trying to grow up a bit, long form but it shares certain stylist trends with Korean BL. On YouTube.
Manner of Death - BL tries on gay romantic suspense using wildly popular BL pair MaxTul, Tumblr went mad for this one. Shares certain stylistic trends with Taiwanese BL. Hard to find.Â
Lovely Writer - Thai BL gets meta with self criticism but using a strong story and great acting. On YouTube.Â
WATCH LIST: The Best Thai BLÂ Â
This is a tasting menu of Thai BL.
These are the ones I think are the best that Thai BL has to offer. Including some of the most popular, that people seem to enjoy the most. These tend to be the ones that western audiences find the least offensive.
Until We Meet Again (2019) - a non BL trope reliant fated mates romanceÂ
1000 Stars (2021) - strong story concept that nods at BL tropes but manages to elevate them and itself Â
Heâs Coming to Me (2019) - boy and ghost boy fall in love, must solve ghostâs murderÂ
Oxygen the series (2020) - uses every Thai BL trope in the playbook for one of the gentlest sftest lowest angst BLs ever made, bit slow for some
Love By Chance (2018) - AePete are a model new BL couple, soft and gentle with each other, subversive of the seme/uke dynamic, sweet, kind, and low angst. All the other pairs (TinCan, KlaNo, and TumTar) are old school dysfunctional yaoi couples thrust into a modern narrative.Â
Love Sick (2014) - has very few traditional yaoi tropes, but it started several BL tropes of its own, that Thailand now perpetuates.
SOTUSÂ (2016) - All the Thai BLs that followed owe their existence to this series.
2gether (2020) - if Love Sick started it and SOTUS pushed it forward, 2g made Thai BL a phenomenon.
TharnType (2019) - if 2gether reps for the new BL, Tharntype is the last gasp at traditional yaoi.Â
Theory of Love (2019) - iconic as the first primary vehicle for OffGun, one of the biggest BL acting pairs.Â
You can read about why I made these choices and why some are missing in the original post.Â
OTHER TOP TENSÂ
Top 10 Highest Production Values in Thai BL
Top 10 BLs Out of ThailandÂ
Top 10 BLs from GMMTV ThailandÂ
WATCH LIST: BL That Best Represents Thailandâs Take on the Genre
This is a full course meal of Thai BL in its most concentrated form.Â
These are the BLs that I think best showcase Thailandâs style of BL, as opposed to the origin yaoi, and the BL from other countries. Each country that produces BL has a particular taste that dominates its shows. Thailand was influenced particularly by the popularity of Lovesick & SOTUS. These two basically formed the foundation of everything we have today. While there is better BL out of Thailand, these are the shows I feel most accurately represent Thailandâs style (some of my favorites are not on this list).Â
Love Sick
Make it Right
SOTUS
Puppy Honey
I Am Your KingÂ
My Dear Loser: Edge of 17Â
Together with Me
2 Moons &/or 2 Moons 2
My Tee
Kiss Me Again &Â Dark Blue Kiss
Love By Chance
TharnType
Theory of Love
So Much In Love or Friend Forever
YYY
My Gear and Your Gown
Love By Chance 2
The En of Love
My Engineer
Why R U?
2gether & Still 2gether
Oxygen
Tonhon Chonlatee
Gen Y
Second Chance
Lovely Writer
Y-Destiny or Close Friend
Top Secret Together
Fish Upon the Sky
Nitiman
Links to Further Reading & Deep Dives into Thai BLÂ
These are posts in which I make further recommendations, do deep dives into pop culture, story critique, market analysis, or social analysis.Â
Country by country analysis, how does Thailand compare?Â
Chef de Smooching - Recipes for BL (Thailand production houses & other countries)Â
Letâs Play Frankensteinâs BL (best worst production by country)Â
BL Wave Data - Quick Summary (Thai BL is growing exponentially)Â
BL Roots WeekÂ
The Pulps of Thai BL
ABCs of Thai BL
Links to Understand Thai BL Actor PairsÂ
These are posts about actor age dynamics, relationships, skinships, and so forth. I donât IRL ship because that kind of behavior freaks me out, but I am very intersted in the psyche of obsession, fanaticism, tribalism, celebrity worship, etc⌠So I pay attention to ships especially from a brand management perspective since I empathize with the celebrity 99.9% of the time.Â
A Guide to Thai BL Actor Pairs for New WatchersÂ
Thai BL Couples as my High School Friendship GroupÂ
BL Actors & Age DynamicsÂ
Do I think skinship has to do with Thai society? homophobia, Intimacy, plutonic affection, touch aversion, touch starvationÂ
Favorite Subtle Character Attributes in Thai BLÂ
5 Love Languages of Thai BLÂ
Links to Understand Thai BL TropesÂ
Thailand has developed its own set of visual tropes in BL and spread some of them to other countries. Also it gravitates to specific narrative elements, like archetypes, in its stories as well.Â
Thai BL & Traditional Romance Tropes
First Kisses in Thai BLÂ
SPECIFIC TROPES THAILAND LOVESÂ
Engineering = gay (and all the other departments)
Pink Milk
Under the clear umbrella
Sponge BathÂ
Sing Me Your Feelings (I have no idea why Thailand thinks any boy with vocal cords can sing - they CANâT - but theyâre obsessed with putting it on screenÂ
Beach trips and forest frolics (origin Love Sick)
Rooftop assignationsÂ
In Thailand, Mosquitos Leave Hickeys
Baby is a floppy drunk (origin Love Sick)
Boys feeding boysÂ
Matched outfits and sharing his closetÂ
Post It love notesÂ
Pinky swearsÂ
Symbolic gift exchangeÂ
Kiss me in the poolÂ
Drying his hair
PiggybackÂ
My massive tropes list.Â
Links to Understand the Nuances of Thai Language & Cultureâs Impact on Thai BLÂ
Iâm not a linguist but I love the interrelationship between language and culture. There are many things we miss about BLs when we watch them in translation. I started to study Thai in order to understand some of this. These are posts that tunnel into elements we miss as outsiders to Thai culture.Â
Explaining Thai to the Casual BL Watcher - It Has Registers
Linguistic Fun In Thai BLÂ + Thai Nouns, Thai Verbs,Â
Thai Military Service & Thai BLÂ
Itâs Thai BL cocktail hour!Â
Thai Desserts in Until We Meet AgainÂ
BL Filming Techniques
Yaoi filming, staging & framing techniques in BL
Backlighting & SilhouettesÂ
Diffuse point lighting, AKA Fairy LightsÂ
Unidirectional focused lightingÂ
Staggered couple framing - when characters are staged so that one appears offset or smaller than the other
Central Aperture Framing - Linear framing using pathways and apertures to draw focus to the central figure(s).
Peekaboo Framing - When the director uses doorways, windows, mirrors, or other apertures to give the audience the impression of looking at something they maybe shouldnât.
Poetic lonelinessÂ
This post in response to @so-ojâ âs lovely question.Â
I'm on tumbrl for this kind of content! such depth.. i can see myself reading and re-reading this many more times. thank you for putting so much effort for all of us @absolutebl


















